track middle distance - do you need to run off season?

[Anonymous]

OP here - runcruit lists him at “recruit” level for D3 schools like Amherst and Middlebury - how much would say a 4:20 junior year mile actually help get into schools like that? Assume most of their athletic recruiting is for sports like lax soccer baseball and football. Could a mid distance runner get coach support with admissions based on junior year times? If so maybe 25 miles a week isn’t that much lol..

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I would assume he would have to run x-country too for D3 coach support, and 800 1600 3200 times alone wouldn’t cut it

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Use tfrrs for actual times of students at those schools, and compare them on Milestat to what they ran as sophomores in high school.

For the top academic d3, two other questions. Are you full pay? And is your student a decent student? Both will are it easier to get in.

Fill out the recruiting questionnaires on the schools websites too.

[Anonymous]

Also a reminder that his increasing progression is not a guarantee, and he may not go sub 4:20 in the mile or sub 1:54 in 800 or sub 9:20 in the 3200. That’s typically what’s needed for D1.

[Anonymous]

I would also have him take the SAT in august before junior year, s as d then again in June or august before senior year of he needs a bump up. It’s easier to take it in the summer when not doing sports, and you may need it for recruiting and pre-reads.

Also, talk to your schools coach now and ask for guidance or if they know someone e who was recruited for track D1 that you could talk to.

PS. There is no scholarship money for track, and there are fewer men’s teams than women’s teams because some schools use women’s track as a title ix offset for their large (all male) football teams. Jmu has no men’s track team, for example, but they have a women’s team.

You can get coach support for admissions at a d3 but only if you fit the general student academic profile and they need a midistance runner. Also helps to be full pay and not need aid.

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Anonymous wrote: You can get coach support for admissions at a d3 but only if you fit the general student academic profile and they need a midistance runner.

also helps to run x country - check out Nescac schools. Although track/x-country coach probably only gets 2-3 slots depending on the year, there will likely be a number of tips

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Anonymous wrote:Also a reminder that his increasing progression is not a guarantee, and he may not go sub 4:20 in the mile or sub 1:54 in 800 or sub 9:20 in the 3200. That’s typically what’s needed for D1.

cmon debby downer it doesn’t seem like the kid is that far off as an untrained frosh - I actually do think it’s basically a guarantee to achieve one or more of those times if the kid puts in the time and work

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Anonymous wrote:Also a reminder that his increasing progression is not a guarantee, and he may not go sub 4:20 in the mile or sub 1:54 in 800 or sub 9:20 in the 3200. That’s typically what’s needed for D1.

cmon debby downer it doesn’t seem like the kid is that far off as an untrained frosh - I actually do think it’s basically a guarantee to achieve one or more of those times if the kid puts in the time and work

It’s likely, true. But runcruit sometimes makes it seem like it’s a very linear progression when it isn’t, and my kid had similar times and then was in for a rude awakening when he didn’t automatically PR at every race junior and senior year.

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Anonymous wrote:Also a reminder that his increasing progression is not a guarantee, and he may not go sub 4:20 in the mile or sub 1:54 in 800 or sub 9:20 in the 3200. That’s typically what’s needed for D1.

cmon debby downer it doesn’t seem like the kid is that far off as an untrained frosh - I actually do think it’s basically a guarantee to achieve one or more of those times if the kid puts in the time and work

It’s likely, true. But runcruit sometimes makes it seem like it’s a very linear progression when it isn’t, and my kid had similar times and then was in for a rude awakening when he didn’t automatically PR at every race junior and senior year.

fair point, but I would expect plateaus to show up and nonlinear progression sometime after the kid starts training. A kid who runs those times with zero training is an uncut gem and should 100% have big gains initially with training. Then maybe some plateaus pop into the mix. Look at milesplit - majority of top hs distance runners were in the 4:30s for 1600 frosh year - and that’s with a frosh season of cc behind them. Extremely rare for a non CC kid to bang out a 10 minute 3200 - huge ceiling here

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Anonymous wrote:Runcruit allows you to enter your times and see where you could be recruited

thanks, cool site. How accurate is this in ur experience?

Very accurate

Yes foool

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also a reminder that his increasing progression is not a guarantee, and he may not go sub 4:20 in the mile or sub 1:54 in 800 or sub 9:20 in the 3200. That’s typically what’s needed for D1.

cmon debby downer it doesn’t seem like the kid is that far off as an untrained frosh - I actually do think it’s basically a guarantee to achieve one or more of those times if the kid puts in the time and work

It’s likely, true. But runcruit sometimes makes it seem like it’s a very linear progression when it isn’t, and my kid had similar times and then was in for a rude awakening when he didn’t automatically PR at every race junior and senior year.

These times are very good for a frosh and would recommend trying at least 30 miles a week.

I ran around 30-35 miles a week after running a 9:20 2 mile as a frosh. Ran a 4:06 mile as a senior and won one of the three national champ races in the 70's. I don't like high mileage for high schoolers but ran speed work to run a 48.5 400. I was from a poor single mother home and needed a scholarship. The best thing I did as an immature kid was hang around my high school's good students - 10th in a class of 800 with high scores. One college coach told me I would get in anywhere I applied, and that finances were to become by far and away the most important factor. He was right. We had a high school team that was lauded as the best in the nation with 5 guys under 4:12 in the mile. The guy the year behind me ran 4:35 for the mile as a frosh, ended up winning the state in cross country and track, and became a D1 national champion. Darn right this kid's times are worth taking seriously.