What the Supreme Court actually said in the Fair Admissions case

[Anonymous]

Are we going to educate the future members of the House and Senate and the leaders of IBM? Or are we going to educate a group of young men and women who are caught up in a rhetoric of oppressor and oppressee and, 'This is not fair,' and just frankly whiny snowflakes?" "Where are we going with elite education in schools in America?" Ken Griffin

This guy has donated millions upon millions to the poor and for social justice causes...and he's had enough.

It really makes you wonder when the elite are turning away from the elite, will they still be elite in the future?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interestingly at our private the Asian kids (and my kid is half Indian) are having the worst early placement (surprisingly?)

Will have to see how it turns out in RD…

Everyone is have awful early placement this year. My kid's school is predominantly white and all the top students are seeing deferrals and denials in the early round.

Maybe the admissions committees are too scared to move without a lawyer's amicus? Welcome to the new world. Only slam dunks and the extremely wealthy will get in ED from now on?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interestingly at our private the Asian kids (and my kid is half Indian) are having the worst early placement (surprisingly?)

Will have to see how it turns out in RD…

Everyone is have awful early placement this year. My kid's school is predominantly white and all the top students are seeing deferrals and denials in the early round.

Maybe the admissions committees are too scared to move without a lawyer's amicus? Welcome to the new world. Only slam dunks and the extremely wealthy will get in ED from now on?

Financial aid is also held up with the new form.

This cycle is a frickin' disaster. OF course, the year my firstborn applies would be...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All colleges have a legal counsel office.

All of them got the last case 100% wrong

No, the Court changed the precedent and rewrote the law they had been following.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No more racial discrimination.

I guess we have to wait to see the results after this cycle. Plenty of schools are interpreting it as they can use the essay to continue doing what they are doing---selecting for race/urm. I believe that is contrary to the SC ruling.

The ruling basically says you can't cherry pick the applicant's race alone out of the essay and base your decision on that. But you can look at what else the kid says about themselves and use that quality. If a kid wants to study civil rights in college because she was inspired by seeing her grandfather's photo at the National Museum of African American History and Culture, it would be discriminatory to say that child cannot write that essay because it may happen to suggest her race, while allowing another child to write that he was inspired to join ROTC and study history when he saw his grandfather's medal from WWII (no disclosure of race). And so on. So much of what shapes children and forms their aspirations comes from their backgrounds, so in many cases the essay cannot be answered without disclosing information related to race, gender, religion, etc. The ruling simply holds that if such a disclosure is suggested or made, race cannot be considered, but the rest of information in the essay can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No more racial discrimination.

I guess we have to wait to see the results after this cycle. Plenty of schools are interpreting it as they can use the essay to continue doing what they are doing---selecting for race/urm. I believe that is contrary to the SC ruling.

The ruling basically says you can't cherry pick the applicant's race alone out of the essay and base your decision on that. But you can look at what else the kid says about themselves and use that quality. If a kid wants to study civil rights in college because she was inspired by seeing her grandfather's photo at the National Museum of African American History and Culture, it would be discriminatory to say that child cannot write that essay because it may happen to suggest her race, while allowing another child to write that he was inspired to join ROTC and study history when he saw his grandfather's medal from WWII (no disclosure of race). And so on. So much of what shapes children and forms their aspirations comes from their backgrounds, so in many cases the essay cannot be answered without disclosing information related to race, gender, religion, etc. The ruling simply holds that if such a disclosure is suggested or made, race cannot be considered, but the rest of information in the essay can.

Whatevs. This is the first cycle every single college has added a REQUIRED: "tell me about how your background and identity shaped you"...or some version of that. This was not in prior cycles. This question vetted by attorneys was a direct result of the SC ruling.

[Anonymous]

Where in the majority opinion does the Supreme Court hold that "grades and test scores will suddenly be the end-all, be-all criteria for admission"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where in the majority opinion does the Supreme Court hold that "grades and test scores will suddenly be the end-all, be-all criteria for admission"?

Nobody has ever said that. If anything admissions officers are hanging ever harder to their 'holistic admission' talking point to be able to admit anyone they want, along with TO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where in the majority opinion does the Supreme Court hold that "grades and test scores will suddenly be the end-all, be-all criteria for admission"?

Nobody has ever said that. If anything admissions officers are hanging ever harder to their 'holistic admission' talking point to be able to admit anyone they want, along with TO.

^^ and not get sued.

[Anonymous]

The top colleges legal staff is smarter than any DCUM schmuck trying to be the "diversity essay" police.

Relax. Affirmative Action is gone. Find another scapegoat other than a URM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interestingly at our private the Asian kids (and my kid is half Indian) are having the worst early placement (surprisingly?)

Will have to see how it turns out in RD…

Everyone is have awful early placement this year. My kid's school is predominantly white and all the top students are seeing deferrals and denials in the early round.

Opposite at my pubic school. High scoring, AP-taking URMs didn't get in to ED/EA (can only point to one, and that was recruited athlete). Asian kids did really well.

Truth is, it's a small numbers/low probability event everywhere, so we all just see statistically-insignificant examples at our own schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The top colleges legal staff is smarter than any DCUM schmuck trying to be the "diversity essay" police.

Relax. Affirmative Action is gone. Find another scapegoat other than a URM.

The top colleges legal staff lost and I predicted that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interestingly at our private the Asian kids (and my kid is half Indian) are having the worst early placement (surprisingly?)

Will have to see how it turns out in RD…

Everyone is have awful early placement this year. My kid's school is predominantly white and all the top students are seeing deferrals and denials in the early round.

Opposite at my pubic school. High scoring, AP-taking URMs didn't get in to ED/EA (can only point to one, and that was recruited athlete). Asian kids did really well.

Truth is, it's a small numbers/low probability event everywhere, so we all just see statistically-insignificant examples at our own schools.

Who had more academic merit? If it were the Asians, then good for them. I’m not Asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No more racial discrimination.

I guess we have to wait to see the results after this cycle. Plenty of schools are interpreting it as they can use the essay to continue doing what they are doing---selecting for race/urm. I believe that is contrary to the SC ruling.

They also “trick” kids into answering the questions when signing up for mailing- I let DC know he is not to check any of the boxes that ask about race etc. when signing up for mailings or for tours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No more racial discrimination.

I guess we have to wait to see the results after this cycle. Plenty of schools are interpreting it as they can use the essay to continue doing what they are doing---selecting for race/urm. I believe that is contrary to the SC ruling.

They also “trick” kids into answering the questions when signing up for mailing- I let DC know he is not to check any of the boxes that ask about race etc. when signing up for mailings or for tours.

The video conferences and interviews and photo some schools make optional to upload. Ahem