Iready and cogat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My son cogat scores
V 122
NV 132
Q 145
VAN 141
Iready 85 math 80% reading
He is in the pool do u think he still have a good chance to be chosen for AAP?

Maybe Advanced Math, based on the Q score. His iReady scores and the rest of his scores do not r3ead like an AAP kid. It also depends on what school you are at, a high FARMs school or a lower middle class school where the overall scores are likely to be lower and you might have a better chance.

And yes, I know that they are not supposed to take schools into consideration but we know that happens otherwise there would be very few kids in from Title 1 schools and a lot more from the higher SES schools.

Have you ever looked at the 2020 external committee report? The NV and V are well within range for admitted AAP kids. In fact there was a note in the 2020 report that many teachers claim that too many students in AAP read below grade level.

This board wants to act like AAP is still GT and only 5% of kids belong in it. But that's not the case.

That's for the whole county though. OPs DC is at Spring Hill, which is one of the highest SES ESs in the county. To the extent that SES correlates with test scores, OP's DC may not be top 10% locally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son cogat scores
V 122
NV 132
Q 145
VAN 141
Iready 85 math 80% reading
He is in the pool do u think he still have a good chance to be chosen for AAP?

Maybe Advanced Math, based on the Q score. His iReady scores and the rest of his scores do not r3ead like an AAP kid. It also depends on what school you are at, a high FARMs school or a lower middle class school where the overall scores are likely to be lower and you might have a better chance.

And yes, I know that they are not supposed to take schools into consideration but we know that happens otherwise there would be very few kids in from Title 1 schools and a lot more from the higher SES schools.

Have you ever looked at the 2020 external committee report? The NV and V are well within range for admitted AAP kids. In fact there was a note in the 2020 report that many teachers claim that too many students in AAP read below grade level.

This board wants to act like AAP is still GT and only 5% of kids belong in it. But that's not the case.

That's for the whole county though. OPs DC is at Spring Hill, which is one of the highest SES ESs in the county. To the extent that SES correlates with test scores, OP's DC may not be top 10% locally.

OP said their child is in pool.

[Anonymous]

People here are missing the most important thing. OP said English is not her kid's first language. The selection committee definitely gives a lot of grace in language arts scores and performance to kids who are ESOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son cogat scores
V 122
NV 132
Q 145
VAN 141
Iready 85 math 80% reading
He is in the pool do u think he still have a good chance to be chosen for AAP?

Maybe Advanced Math, based on the Q score. His iReady scores and the rest of his scores do not r3ead like an AAP kid. It also depends on what school you are at, a high FARMs school or a lower middle class school where the overall scores are likely to be lower and you might have a better chance.

And yes, I know that they are not supposed to take schools into consideration but we know that happens otherwise there would be very few kids in from Title 1 schools and a lot more from the higher SES schools.

Have you ever looked at the 2020 external committee report? The NV and V are well within range for admitted AAP kids. In fact there was a note in the 2020 report that many teachers claim that too many students in AAP read below grade level.

This board wants to act like AAP is still GT and only 5% of kids belong in it. But that's not the case.

That's for the whole county though. OPs DC is at Spring Hill, which is one of the highest SES ESs in the county. To the extent that SES correlates with test scores, OP's DC may not be top 10% locally.

The quote I was responding to said a kid didn't read like an AAP student, just an advanced math student due to having merely above average V scores and 80th percentile iReadies, but amazing quant and VNQs. My point is that the kids' profile actually fits what a review of AAP found was the exact profile of an AAP kid.

[Anonymous]

Yes my kid in the pool and the english his second language

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son cogat scores
V 122
NV 132
Q 145
VAN 141
Iready 85 math 80% reading
He is in the pool do u think he still have a good chance to be chosen for AAP?

Maybe Advanced Math, based on the Q score. His iReady scores and the rest of his scores do not r3ead like an AAP kid. It also depends on what school you are at, a high FARMs school or a lower middle class school where the overall scores are likely to be lower and you might have a better chance.

And yes, I know that they are not supposed to take schools into consideration but we know that happens otherwise there would be very few kids in from Title 1 schools and a lot more from the higher SES schools.

Have you ever looked at the 2020 external committee report? The NV and V are well within range for admitted AAP kids. In fact there was a note in the 2020 report that many teachers claim that too many students in AAP read below grade level.

This board wants to act like AAP is still GT and only 5% of kids belong in it. But that's not the case.

The range is massive. While there are some kids with lower NV and V scores in AAP, that is not the norm. It is more likely to happen at a lower SES school then other schools but the norm is for higher scores in all categories. We have seen plenty of parents post that kids with similar scores ended up in Advanced Math and not AAP.

I mean, we saw in the report that kids with scores of 118 made it into AAP. That doesn't mean that a 118 is highly likely to get into AAP.

We can pretend that the committee reviews each packet the same but we know they don’t. I would guess that the scores that the committee is looking for at a lower SES school are lower then what the committee looks for in a higher SES school. I have no idea how they take into consideration ESOL for AAP. I would say that 85th percentiles in both exams on the iReady are very good but I would think that the Committee would be looking for kids in the 95th percentile.

The reality is that none of us have a clue what the committee is looking for and we are all guessing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son cogat scores
V 122
NV 132
Q 145
VAN 141
Iready 85 math 80% reading
He is in the pool do u think he still have a good chance to be chosen for AAP?

Maybe Advanced Math, based on the Q score. His iReady scores and the rest of his scores do not r3ead like an AAP kid. It also depends on what school you are at, a high FARMs school or a lower middle class school where the overall scores are likely to be lower and you might have a better chance.

And yes, I know that they are not supposed to take schools into consideration but we know that happens otherwise there would be very few kids in from Title 1 schools and a lot more from the higher SES schools.

Have you ever looked at the 2020 external committee report? The NV and V are well within range for admitted AAP kids. In fact there was a note in the 2020 report that many teachers claim that too many students in AAP read below grade level.

This board wants to act like AAP is still GT and only 5% of kids belong in it. But that's not the case.

The range is massive. While there are some kids with lower NV and V scores in AAP, that is not the norm. It is more likely to happen at a lower SES school then other schools but the norm is for higher scores in all categories. We have seen plenty of parents post that kids with similar scores ended up in Advanced Math and not AAP.

I mean, we saw in the report that kids with scores of 118 made it into AAP. That doesn't mean that a 118 is highly likely to get into AAP.

We can pretend that the committee reviews each packet the same but we know they don’t. I would guess that the scores that the committee is looking for at a lower SES school are lower then what the committee looks for in a higher SES school. I have no idea how they take into consideration ESOL for AAP. I would say that 85th percentiles in both exams on the iReady are very good but I would think that the Committee would be looking for kids in the 95th percentile.

The reality is that none of us have a clue what the committee is looking for and we are all guessing.

While there are limits to how many kids each center can take, the class sizes at our center, where I have 2 kids, vary wildly from grade to grade. There's less of a cap than people act like their is. The reality is somewhere between what FCPS says - that there is no cap - and what DCUM strongly implies, which is that there are strict quotas and it's all about scores. There are rough quotas and the packet really is holistically reviewed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son cogat scores
V 122
NV 132
Q 145
VAN 141
Iready 85 math 80% reading
He is in the pool do u think he still have a good chance to be chosen for AAP?

Maybe Advanced Math, based on the Q score. His iReady scores and the rest of his scores do not r3ead like an AAP kid. It also depends on what school you are at, a high FARMs school or a lower middle class school where the overall scores are likely to be lower and you might have a better chance.

And yes, I know that they are not supposed to take schools into consideration but we know that happens otherwise there would be very few kids in from Title 1 schools and a lot more from the higher SES schools.

Have you ever looked at the 2020 external committee report? The NV and V are well within range for admitted AAP kids. In fact there was a note in the 2020 report that many teachers claim that too many students in AAP read below grade level.

This board wants to act like AAP is still GT and only 5% of kids belong in it. But that's not the case.

The range is massive. While there are some kids with lower NV and V scores in AAP, that is not the norm. It is more likely to happen at a lower SES school then other schools but the norm is for higher scores in all categories. We have seen plenty of parents post that kids with similar scores ended up in Advanced Math and not AAP.

I mean, we saw in the report that kids with scores of 118 made it into AAP. That doesn't mean that a 118 is highly likely to get into AAP.

We can pretend that the committee reviews each packet the same but we know they don’t. I would guess that the scores that the committee is looking for at a lower SES school are lower then what the committee looks for in a higher SES school. I have no idea how they take into consideration ESOL for AAP. I would say that 85th percentiles in both exams on the iReady are very good but I would think that the Committee would be looking for kids in the 95th percentile.

The reality is that none of us have a clue what the committee is looking for and we are all guessing.

While there are limits to how many kids each center can take, the class sizes at our center, where I have 2 kids, vary wildly from grade to grade. There's less of a cap than people act like their is. The reality is somewhere between what FCPS says - that there is no cap - and what DCUM strongly implies, which is that there are strict quotas and it's all about scores. There are rough quotas and the packet really is holistically reviewed.

Are there stats on AAP acceptances at each school? that would point towards whether there's a (rough) quota or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son cogat scores
V 122
NV 132
Q 145
VAN 141
Iready 85 math 80% reading
He is in the pool do u think he still have a good chance to be chosen for AAP?

Maybe Advanced Math, based on the Q score. His iReady scores and the rest of his scores do not r3ead like an AAP kid. It also depends on what school you are at, a high FARMs school or a lower middle class school where the overall scores are likely to be lower and you might have a better chance.

And yes, I know that they are not supposed to take schools into consideration but we know that happens otherwise there would be very few kids in from Title 1 schools and a lot more from the higher SES schools.

Have you ever looked at the 2020 external committee report? The NV and V are well within range for admitted AAP kids. In fact there was a note in the 2020 report that many teachers claim that too many students in AAP read below grade level.

This board wants to act like AAP is still GT and only 5% of kids belong in it. But that's not the case.

The range is massive. While there are some kids with lower NV and V scores in AAP, that is not the norm. It is more likely to happen at a lower SES school then other schools but the norm is for higher scores in all categories. We have seen plenty of parents post that kids with similar scores ended up in Advanced Math and not AAP.

I mean, we saw in the report that kids with scores of 118 made it into AAP. That doesn't mean that a 118 is highly likely to get into AAP.

We can pretend that the committee reviews each packet the same but we know they don’t. I would guess that the scores that the committee is looking for at a lower SES school are lower then what the committee looks for in a higher SES school. I have no idea how they take into consideration ESOL for AAP. I would say that 85th percentiles in both exams on the iReady are very good but I would think that the Committee would be looking for kids in the 95th percentile.

The reality is that none of us have a clue what the committee is looking for and we are all guessing.

While there are limits to how many kids each center can take, the class sizes at our center, where I have 2 kids, vary wildly from grade to grade. There's less of a cap than people act like their is. The reality is somewhere between what FCPS says - that there is no cap - and what DCUM strongly implies, which is that there are strict quotas and it's all about scores. There are rough quotas and the packet really is holistically reviewed.

Are there stats on AAP acceptances at each school? that would point towards whether there's a (rough) quota or not.

I’m sure there are, but that info is not publicly available.

[Anonymous]

Iready is a joke. Most teachers will tell you they give zero weight to it and that it’s not an accurate reflection of a child’s ability in the younger grades. Don’t stress about those scores, especially fall when kids have been out of school for 3 months!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Iready is a joke. Most teachers will tell you they give zero weight to it and that it’s not an accurate reflection of a child’s ability in the younger grades. Don’t stress about those scores, especially fall when kids have been out of school for 3 months!

Maybe so, but Fall iReady is now part of the AAP packet for the eligibility decisions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Iready is a joke. Most teachers will tell you they give zero weight to it and that it’s not an accurate reflection of a child’s ability in the younger grades. Don’t stress about those scores, especially fall when kids have been out of school for 3 months!

Maybe so, but Fall iReady is now part of the AAP packet for the eligibility decisions.

Iready replaced the DRA. A high iready verbal should signal that your kid is able to handle AAPIV classroom reading speed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iready is a joke. Most teachers will tell you they give zero weight to it and that it’s not an accurate reflection of a child’s ability in the younger grades. Don’t stress about those scores, especially fall when kids have been out of school for 3 months!

Maybe so, but Fall iReady is now part of the AAP packet for the eligibility decisions.

Iready replaced the DRA. A high iready verbal should signal that your kid is able to handle AAPIV classroom reading speed.

That’s determined by ePRF (passage reading fluency) score, as well, which is part of the criteria that determines whether the advanced box is checked for reading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iready is a joke. Most teachers will tell you they give zero weight to it and that it’s not an accurate reflection of a child’s ability in the younger grades. Don’t stress about those scores, especially fall when kids have been out of school for 3 months!

Maybe so, but Fall iReady is now part of the AAP packet for the eligibility decisions.

Iready replaced the DRA. A high iready verbal should signal that your kid is able to handle AAPIV classroom reading speed.

That’s determined by ePRF (passage reading fluency) score, as well, which is part of the criteria that determines whether the advanced box is checked for reading.

I would guess that the iready (verbal) score is particularly important for ESOL applicants. I know several brilliant ESOL kids who didn't make AAP in their first try due to their lack of English skills. By the second year, they spoke English as well as native speakers. My kids are at an ES where most of the ESOL kids are DCs of diplomats, so YMMV.

[Anonymous]

OP, your son will get in. Don’t stress him about scores, please.

-teacher