Why are there so few men’s volleyball teams in college?

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This. There has to be equal participation in sports at a university for men and women. Unfortunately, cheer isn't considered a sport. So you have men's football teams that have between 105 and 125 players. So you need an equal number of female sports participants in other sports. Men's volleyball isn't that popular and takes up male spots when colleges need to fill female spots.

You want cheer to be a college sport??????

Lots of anti-title IX people want cheer to be a sport because it gives them another 50 girls to offset football. They think this means more sports for boys. In reality, it probably just means less for girls

how does that work out? I'm generally curious to see how that would "mean less for girls" when you add another 12-15 scholarships for girls. I get that some men are required for good cheer teams but generally curious how convoluted the thinking is to get to that.

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Anonymous wrote:Title 9

This. There has to be equal participation in sports at a university for men and women. Unfortunately, cheer isn't considered a sport. So you have men's football teams that have between 105 and 125 players. So you need an equal number of female sports participants in other sports. Men's volleyball isn't that popular and takes up male spots when colleges need to fill female spots.

You want cheer to be a college sport??????

Lots of anti-title IX people want cheer to be a sport because it gives them another 50 girls to offset football. They think this means more sports for boys. In reality, it probably just means less for girls

how does that work out? I'm generally curious to see how that would "mean less for girls" when you add another 12-15 scholarships for girls. I get that some men are required for good cheer teams but generally curious how convoluted the thinking is to get to that.

Making cheer a sport would mean another 50 girls are now playing a sport. It means that if athletic departments had the choice between adding another mens sport to pair with cheerleading or to cut a women's sport to keep the numbers equal, a lot will choose to cut.

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Cheer is not a college sport because colleges do not want to follow “sport” rules when it comes to cheer. It is the same reason cheer is not an official high school sport in many States.

To start - to be a sport you need to have regular competitions with rules and judging. You have to have schedules, coaches and facilities, and you have to have defined seasons. Lots of colleges have decently funded cheer programs with scholarships and the like, but they do not want the regulations that come with having it made an official sport.

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Anonymous wrote:Title 9

This. There has to be equal participation in sports at a university for men and women. Unfortunately, cheer isn't considered a sport. So you have men's football teams that have between 105 and 125 players. So you need an equal number of female sports participants in other sports. Men's volleyball isn't that popular and takes up male spots when colleges need to fill female spots.

You want cheer to be a college sport??????

Lots of anti-title IX people want cheer to be a sport because it gives them another 50 girls to offset football. They think this means more sports for boys. In reality, it probably just means less for girls

how does that work out? I'm generally curious to see how that would "mean less for girls" when you add another 12-15 scholarships for girls. I get that some men are required for good cheer teams but generally curious how convoluted the thinking is to get to that.

Making cheer a sport would mean another 50 girls are now playing a sport. It means that if athletic departments had the choice between adding another mens sport to pair with cheerleading or to cut a women's sport to keep the numbers equal, a lot will choose to cut.

You don't know how Title IX works. Generally, Title IX works completely opposite of what you say and why there is an attempt to promote cheering. Title IX basically says you need to equate out athletic funding to population of students. There is more ways to demonstrate being Title IX compliant but that's the basic way. But, because, the male to female ratios in colleges are continuing to move to more in favor of females (but it isn't politically correct to ask questions as to why boys aren't going to college), the numbers to be Title IX complaint continue to shift. Thus, schools want cheer to count in an attempt to not eliminate men's sports not add men's sports. In other words, adding cheer doesn't eliminate women's sports but either keeps mens sports teams or allows a school to add another mens team.

Further, depending on your certification numbers, you might have to show a continuing attempt to add more female athletes. See FSU's recent addition of Women's Lax even though they were Title IX compliant at that time.

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Anonymous wrote:Title 9

This. There has to be equal participation in sports at a university for men and women. Unfortunately, cheer isn't considered a sport. So you have men's football teams that have between 105 and 125 players. So you need an equal number of female sports participants in other sports. Men's volleyball isn't that popular and takes up male spots when colleges need to fill female spots.

You want cheer to be a college sport??????

Lots of anti-title IX people want cheer to be a sport because it gives them another 50 girls to offset football. They think this means more sports for boys. In reality, it probably just means less for girls

how does that work out? I'm generally curious to see how that would "mean less for girls" when you add another 12-15 scholarships for girls. I get that some men are required for good cheer teams but generally curious how convoluted the thinking is to get to that.

Making cheer a sport would mean another 50 girls are now playing a sport. It means that if athletic departments had the choice between adding another mens sport to pair with cheerleading or to cut a women's sport to keep the numbers equal, a lot will choose to cut.

You don't know how Title IX works. Generally, Title IX works completely opposite of what you say and why there is an attempt to promote cheering. Title IX basically says you need to equate out athletic funding to population of students. There is more ways to demonstrate being Title IX compliant but that's the basic way. But, because, the male to female ratios in colleges are continuing to move to more in favor of females (but it isn't politically correct to ask questions as to why boys aren't going to college), the numbers to be Title IX complaint continue to shift. Thus, schools want cheer to count in an attempt to not eliminate men's sports not add men's sports. In other words, adding cheer doesn't eliminate women's sports but either keeps mens sports teams or allows a school to add another mens team.

Further, depending on your certification numbers, you might have to show a continuing attempt to add more female athletes. See FSU's recent addition of Women's Lax even though they were Title IX compliant at that time.

Yes it does. Most schools are currently title IX compliant. If cheer became a sport tomorrow, they would have an additional ~50 female athletes taking them out of compliance. To get back into compliance, they could either add more mens sports or the can cut women sports. Most athletic departments are break even, at best, so cutting seems more likely

[Anonymous]

Because they don't wear tiny shorts

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Boys' volleyball is also only sanctioned in maybe half of the states, so there are a lot fewer kids playing it at the high school level and getting the exposure.

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Is it that football is more expensive so they don’t offer men’s volleyball?

So far have seen schools offer one or two more sports for women.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell_Big_Red

D1 football teams carry between 115 and 130 players. That means that just to offset football, you need 115-130 roster spaces in girls sports without a corresponding boys sport

So the problem is football not title 9

Actually, it depends on what you consider “a problem”. If you take away football, you are not going to all the sudden have men’s volleyball. Instead, you would no longer have women’s volleyball. Football pays for itself and provides funds for other sports. It’s also a big alumni/community building thing.

If you took title 9 away, you would still have football, but a lot of the women’s sports would disappear.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title 9

Is it that football is more expensive so they don’t offer men’s volleyball?

So far have seen schools offer one or two more sports for women.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell_Big_Red

D1 football teams carry between 115 and 130 players. That means that just to offset football, you need 115-130 roster spaces in girls sports without a corresponding boys sport

So the problem is football not title 9

Actually, it depends on what you consider “a problem”. If you take away football, you are not going to all the sudden have men’s volleyball. Instead, you would no longer have women’s volleyball. Football pays for itself and provides funds for other sports. It’s also a big alumni/community building thing.

If you took title 9 away, you would still have football, but a lot of the women’s sports would disappear.

Football loses money at the vast majority of schools. Out side of the P5, football is a breakeven proposition at best. Towards the bottom of the G5 through DIII football loses more money than any other sport

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Title 9

This. There has to be equal participation in sports at a university for men and women. Unfortunately, cheer isn't considered a sport. So you have men's football teams that have between 105 and 125 players. So you need an equal number of female sports participants in other sports. Men's volleyball isn't that popular and takes up male spots when colleges need to fill female spots.

You want cheer to be a college sport??????

Lots of anti-title IX people want cheer to be a sport because it gives them another 50 girls to offset football. They think this means more sports for boys. In reality, it probably just means less for girls

how does that work out? I'm generally curious to see how that would "mean less for girls" when you add another 12-15 scholarships for girls. I get that some men are required for good cheer teams but generally curious how convoluted the thinking is to get to that.

Making cheer a sport would mean another 50 girls are now playing a sport. It means that if athletic departments had the choice between adding another mens sport to pair with cheerleading or to cut a women's sport to keep the numbers equal, a lot will choose to cut.

First of all, most athletic departments are not compliant. They just haven't been sued. So that point is wrong.

You should look up the definition of fungible.

You don't know how Title IX works. Generally, Title IX works completely opposite of what you say and why there is an attempt to promote cheering. Title IX basically says you need to equate out athletic funding to population of students. There is more ways to demonstrate being Title IX compliant but that's the basic way. But, because, the male to female ratios in colleges are continuing to move to more in favor of females (but it isn't politically correct to ask questions as to why boys aren't going to college), the numbers to be Title IX complaint continue to shift. Thus, schools want cheer to count in an attempt to not eliminate men's sports not add men's sports. In other words, adding cheer doesn't eliminate women's sports but either keeps mens sports teams or allows a school to add another mens team.

Further, depending on your certification numbers, you might have to show a continuing attempt to add more female athletes. See FSU's recent addition of Women's Lax even though they were Title IX compliant at that time.

Yes it does. Most schools are currently title IX compliant. If cheer became a sport tomorrow, they would have an additional ~50 female athletes taking them out of compliance. To get back into compliance, they could either add more mens sports or the can cut women sports. Most athletic departments are break even, at best, so cutting seems more likely

[Anonymous]

Title 9 is a joke & needs to be modified.