Report cards for Level IV application
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Anonymous
We are guessing. I know that there are people who love the Centers but I think the process would make more sense if we were looking at kids at specific schools and setting the program based on where those schools are at. Maybe UMC ES need 2 LLIV classes because of the number of kids that could benefit from AAP. Maybe Title 1 schools need 1 LLIV class that teaches math at a different pace because there are smart kids who have not had the same opportunities as kids at different schools. In my ideal world there are Advanced classes for each subject and kids attend the Advanced classes that make sense for them. I would guess that half of the kids would end up in 3-4 Advanced classes but that there would be kids who would be better off in Advanced Math and Advanced Science or Advanced LA and Advanced Social Studies. My kid belongs in Advanced Math and Science but is probably borderline for Advanced LA. He is not the greatest writer. He does well enough on his report card, mostly 4s but the occasional 3, and I could see him benefiting from a slower pace to grow his confidence. |
Anonymous
Guessing but The local committee also determines what “strengths in” means in their school and whether or not they check those boxes on a student file to send to central committee. There’s no hard number for these boxes and local committees are still figuring it out — this can be executed well or very very poorly. So while we have no idea what committee members are thinking, the local committee determines the file that is presented based on whatever criteria they’ve established for the local school. There used to be more clear countywide parameters (NNAT/CogAT scores, DRA). |
Anonymous
So you believe that wealthier schools are more deserving of a good education? |
Anonymous
This is essentially what LII services are (although not for all subjects). Kids get differentiation in math and/or LA as needed, vs. their entire academic courseload being AAP (which offers more depth, complexity and acceleration and is taught by a teacher with a certification in G&T education). |
Anonymous
This is also exactly what does happen once kids hit FCPS Middle Schools. 7th graders can choose to enroll in Honors or GenEd for every class (History, Math, Science, English), regardless of past performance and regardless of whether they took any advanced coursework in ES. (The only exception is math; you can take Math 7 Honors but can't take Algebra as a 7th grader just by choice.) In my experience, ES coursework doesn't matter at all for performance in MS Honors courses. There doesn't seem to be a correlation between the kids that took advanced courses in ES and are then doing well in MS Honors classes (i.e., you can ace MS Honors courses as a GenEd ES student!). |
Anonymous
In general, in MS, only AAP students take all Honors classes. The recommendation is to take an Honors class that you excel in or are interested in and not in other classes, fwiw. |
Anonymous
That isn't at all the way LII services work. Kids who are LII for language arts are simply in a reading group using above grade level materials that almost never gets any time with the teacher. It's not even slightly comparable to an advanced language arts class or AAP language arts. For schools that offer advanced math starting in 3rd grade, then LII math essentially is advanced math. But if the school doesn't have advanced math until later, the LII math is a few lame extensions to the regular gen ed curriculum. Gen ed programs don't seem to have LII services for science or social studies. |
Anonymous
IOW, LIII is a normal GT program like that found in the majority of school districts around the country. |
Anonymous
This has definitely not been my experience AT ALL. My children and many, many of their non AAP peers took all Honors in MS. Most of their MS Honors classmates didn't take AAP in ES either. |
Anonymous
I'll never understand why the people on this forum communicate so rudely. Having a smart kid doesn't green light being a jerk. I'm out. |
Anonymous
Kids from good elementary schools going to middle schools that have a lot of bad elementary schools in the pyramid take all honors. The kids that don't regret it and switch in the first week |
Anonymous
I believe you educate kids where they are and you meet their needs. It is a demonstrable fact that kids from poor families are more likely to arrive in K not knowing their letters, numbers, colors, shapes, and sounds while kids from wealthier arrive knowing all of those things and a decent percentage are starting to read. Study after study after study shows this. Head Start was created to try and move past that by providing free, quality pre-K to poor families. We know that kids at Title 1 schools test lower then kids at an UMC school. Not because the kids at a Title 1 school are dumb but because the kids at an UMC school start school knowing skills that the kids at the Title 1 school are learning. The kids at the UMC school are going to continue to progress because their parents are more likely to be able to help them with school work if the kid is struggling or provide tutoring if the child is struggling. The kid at a Title 1 school is less likely to have a parent who can help them if they are struggling and is less likely to be able to pay for help if it is needed. I am not going to tell the kids at the UMC or MC school that they need to not be challenged to learn until the kids at the Title 1 school catches up. I am going to provide the kids at the Title 1 school with smaller classes and more supports to help them catch up. I do think we provide solid after school programs to give kids a place to go and have fun and solidify what they are learning at school. I do think we should be providing after school tutoring for the kids at Title 1 schools to help them master material. But I am not going to pretend that the kids are starting at the same place nor am I going to pretend that they need the same type of educational program. It has nothing to do with overall intelligence and a everything to do with being realistic about what skills the kids bring to school and what support that they have at home. |
Anonymous
And, there are so few spots for AAP that there are still a ton of kids that are capable of taking all Honors classes that didn't qualify as needing LIV services. Not to mention that you don't need to be "gifted" to take all Honors classes. |
Anonymous
Good. AAP should go away. |
Anonymous
And you bought that?! That’s bs. The regular gen Ed classes at middle schools are filled with low performing kids, behavior issues, etc. My non AAP kid will be taking all honors. |