Grade equity at MCPS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You must be white. Biased grading is a real concern in the United States and multiple studies have shown terrible bias by teachers especially in English in their grading. Kids can't really learn properly when the grading does not accurately reflect their achievements.

There is tons of bias in grading but it’s not just a race thing. It can be a handwriting thing, a gender thing, a topic thing, etc. My kids have the perspective that their English teachers have been biased against more highly able students by holding less highly able students to a much lower standard to get the same grades. I agree that when you have human teachers there might be bias, but so many assessments are auto graded. I guess the written assignments could be graded blind. I don’t know that we need some huge study when we already have limited resources and bigger pressing issues like so many students below grade level.

Are you f-king kidding? You somehow know that that bias in grading is only a gender thing and other arbitrary things that you cited? But there's no racial bias in grading and you know that for sure?
Are you out of your mind?

+1
Stupid nonsense from that poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You must be white. Biased grading is a real concern in the United States and multiple studies have shown terrible bias by teachers especially in English in their grading. Kids can't really learn properly when the grading does not accurately reflect their achievements.

There is tons of bias in grading but it’s not just a race thing. It can be a handwriting thing, a gender thing, a topic thing, etc. My kids have the perspective that their English teachers have been biased against more highly able students by holding less highly able students to a much lower standard to get the same grades. I agree that when you have human teachers there might be bias, but so many assessments are auto graded. I guess the written assignments could be graded blind. I don’t know that we need some huge study when we already have limited resources and bigger pressing issues like so many students below grade level.

You don't sound very bright. This does not require a "huge study." This would take a few hours on a spreadsheet.

[Anonymous]

This is a really complicated issue and there are huge costs to allowing bias to continue. A lot of kids identities are formed based on how their teachers treat them and the grades they make etc.

I have a friend who is a wonderful writer but he is a person of color and teachers always gave him bad marks until he got to AP classes while his white counterparts like me got great grades even though their essays were crap. Suddenly the AP teacher recognized that he is a wonderful writer and he is now a professional writer who has written books. If that AP teacher had not recognized him he might have gone a completely different direction in his life.

[Anonymous]

There's a lot of bias at DC's school. Students compare grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You must be white. Biased grading is a real concern in the United States and multiple studies have shown terrible bias by teachers especially in English in their grading. Kids can't really learn properly when the grading does not accurately reflect their achievements.

There is tons of bias in grading but it’s not just a race thing. It can be a handwriting thing, a gender thing, a topic thing, etc. My kids have the perspective that their English teachers have been biased against more highly able students by holding less highly able students to a much lower standard to get the same grades. I agree that when you have human teachers there might be bias, but so many assessments are auto graded. I guess the written assignments could be graded blind. I don’t know that we need some huge study when we already have limited resources and bigger pressing issues like so many students below grade level.

Are you f-king kidding? You somehow know that that bias in grading is only a gender thing and other arbitrary things that you cited? But there's no racial bias in grading and you know that for sure?
Are you out of your mind?

Can you even read? I literally said it is not JUST a race thing, that there can be other bias. You think there is ONLY race-related bias?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You must be white. Biased grading is a real concern in the United States and multiple studies have shown terrible bias by teachers especially in English in their grading. Kids can't really learn properly when the grading does not accurately reflect their achievements.

There is tons of bias in grading but it’s not just a race thing. It can be a handwriting thing, a gender thing, a topic thing, etc. My kids have the perspective that their English teachers have been biased against more highly able students by holding less highly able students to a much lower standard to get the same grades. I agree that when you have human teachers there might be bias, but so many assessments are auto graded. I guess the written assignments could be graded blind. I don’t know that we need some huge study when we already have limited resources and bigger pressing issues like so many students below grade level.

You don't sound very bright. This does not require a "huge study." This would take a few hours on a spreadsheet.

The OP suggested that they do multiple studies. I agree it does not require multiple studies or a huge study. That is what I said! Why do I not sound very bright? Why do you need to attack my intelligence in order to make your point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You must be white. Biased grading is a real concern in the United States and multiple studies have shown terrible bias by teachers especially in English in their grading. Kids can't really learn properly when the grading does not accurately reflect their achievements.

There is tons of bias in grading but it’s not just a race thing. It can be a handwriting thing, a gender thing, a topic thing, etc. My kids have the perspective that their English teachers have been biased against more highly able students by holding less highly able students to a much lower standard to get the same grades. I agree that when you have human teachers there might be bias, but so many assessments are auto graded. I guess the written assignments could be graded blind. I don’t know that we need some huge study when we already have limited resources and bigger pressing issues like so many students below grade level.

Are you f-king kidding? You somehow know that that bias in grading is only a gender thing and other arbitrary things that you cited? But there's no racial bias in grading and you know that for sure?
Are you out of your mind?

+1
Stupid nonsense from that poster.

Wow, the trolls are really out today. They have nothing to add but insults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous grading would be a fair amount of work but running analysis of grades broken down by different categories like gender and race should just be part of a standard process a principal or curriculum head does every quarter. MCPS could easily generate this data for each school and send it to the principal each quarter.

You can't have true equity without understanding what is going on in terms of grading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, I don't understand the impetus for this research you are proposing. What evidence have you seen of biased grading by race across MCPS?

the evidence likely already in the complaint records of DOE OCR.

[Anonymous]

This is like, five years ago, saying what evidence exists that some police forces are killing people who are Black at higher rates than people of other races?

If you are going to turn a blind eye to data that you know exists you're not going to see it.

[Anonymous]

I just don't see it. Most questions are right or wrong. It's not up for debate. 2+2 = 4 bias won't change that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just don't see it. Most questions are right or wrong. It's not up for debate. 2+2 = 4 bias won't change that.

OP said "subjects like English and History or anything else that requires writing and where the grading is highly subjective."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is like, five years ago, saying what evidence exists that some police forces are killing people who are Black at higher rates than people of other races?

If you are going to turn a blind eye to data that you know exists you're not going to see it.

Are you ok? Why are you conflating police bias with teacher bias? Not saying there aren't racists teachers and racist police officers, but it's not like because police officers are racist, therefore so are teachers. Also, don't you think the antiracist audit did enough surveying and evaluation on racism within MCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You must be white. Biased grading is a real concern in the United States and multiple studies have shown terrible bias by teachers especially in English in their grading. Kids can't really learn properly when the grading does not accurately reflect their achievements.

There is tons of bias in grading but it’s not just a race thing. It can be a handwriting thing, a gender thing, a topic thing, etc. My kids have the perspective that their English teachers have been biased against more highly able students by holding less highly able students to a much lower standard to get the same grades. I agree that when you have human teachers there might be bias, but so many assessments are auto graded. I guess the written assignments could be graded blind. I don’t know that we need some huge study when we already have limited resources and bigger pressing issues like so many students below grade level.

You don't sound very bright. This does not require a "huge study." This would take a few hours on a spreadsheet.

Analysis could take a "few hours". Collecting the data would (should) take at least one school year. And designing the study in the first would take some time as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just don't see it. Most questions are right or wrong. It's not up for debate. 2+2 = 4 bias won't change that.

OP said "subjects like English and History or anything else that requires writing and where the grading is highly subjective."

Since this stuff is submitted on canvas mostly anyway, have them graded blind i.e no student identifier. Problem solved.