Belligerent breeder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went through this with a not-reputable breeder (I did not know at the time that they were not reputable). I bought the puppy and also bought an optional expensive board-and-train program where a friend of the breeder who is a dog trainer takes the puppy for a few weeks and house trains them etc before the puppy goes home. This was a dumb thing to do but I'd never had a dog and was nervous. A few days after my dog went to the trainer's house, she sent me an update and mentioned "massaging the problematic hernia." What hernia??

I'd had first pick of the litter, and was told by friends that the smart thing to do is tell the breeder what your priorities are and have them pick the dog for you. I did that. She never told me anything about the dog she assigned to me having a hernia. Not a word until the trainer mentioned it. So she chose the dog with a health issue that had the potential to be serious to give to me, and didn't inform me of the hernia at all.

When I consulted my vet about hernias, she told me I shouldn't support this "breeder" in any way shape or form. So I insisted the breeder refund my money and sell the dog to someone else. She gave me a lot of shit and it got ugly but she did refund my money.

Happy ending: I did what my vet said to do and went with a rescue dog and life has been happy ever after.

Oof! I found out that a kitten I had bought (and had traveled for) had feline herpes (a for-life issue). When I called the breeder her reaction was telling, "well I can't close the cattery!". I wasn't suggesting it. Never occurred to me. But SHE KNEW that feline herpes in the cattery meant she had to close until the problem was resolved but she thought she had resolved it by pawning a sick cat on me. I called her vet. He knew all along and of course she did too. I should have driven the cat back but didn't. I gave her a long life but she was never well and always sneezing and throwing loogies everywhere.

Vet here - every purebred cat has herpes. It is endemic in almost every cattery. And it is not a lifethreatening concern 99% of the time.

[Anonymous]

This is an odd post. Anonymous OP won't elaborate on the congenital issue and that is an important detail here. For example, hernia's can be congenital from birth and that is not uncommon, as the AKC website has an article on this point. Our pure breed had one that just required 3 stitches when they were fixed. Having occasional pups in a liter with such an issue would not warrant characterizing the breeder poorly... That being said, a good breeder will note these things before you get your pup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand what you mean by thinking the breeder is going to be with you throughout the dog’s life? What does that even mean?

The truly ethical breeders will have it written in the contracts that they will take their dogs back if the family cannot take care of them anymore, so the dogs won’t be dumped into shelters.

It isn’t clear OP’s breeder won’t take it back. They just don’t want to give her a refund. Those contracts don’t say you get a refund if you change your mind.

[Anonymous]

The breeder "forgot" the animal she's selling for thousands of dollars has a congenital issue? C'mon.
What's in your contract? You spent $$ to get a healthy, purebred animal, and that isn't what you received. If you don't want to return it (which I get 100%), the only other option is a partial refund. What would this animal fetch with its current health conditions? Maybe you can ask for the remainder back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand what you mean by thinking the breeder is going to be with you throughout the dog’s life? What does that even mean?

The truly ethical breeders will have it written in the contracts that they will take their dogs back if the family cannot take care of them anymore, so the dogs won’t be dumped into shelters.

It isn’t clear OP’s breeder won’t take it back. They just don’t want to give her a refund. Those contracts don’t say you get a refund if you change your mind.

I'm the pp after you - they dont say you get a refund if you change your mind, but excluding key health items or selling an unhealthy animal likely voids the contract anyways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went through this with a not-reputable breeder (I did not know at the time that they were not reputable). I bought the puppy and also bought an optional expensive board-and-train program where a friend of the breeder who is a dog trainer takes the puppy for a few weeks and house trains them etc before the puppy goes home. This was a dumb thing to do but I'd never had a dog and was nervous. A few days after my dog went to the trainer's house, she sent me an update and mentioned "massaging the problematic hernia." What hernia??

I'd had first pick of the litter, and was told by friends that the smart thing to do is tell the breeder what your priorities are and have them pick the dog for you. I did that. She never told me anything about the dog she assigned to me having a hernia. Not a word until the trainer mentioned it. So she chose the dog with a health issue that had the potential to be serious to give to me, and didn't inform me of the hernia at all.

When I consulted my vet about hernias, she told me I shouldn't support this "breeder" in any way shape or form. So I insisted the breeder refund my money and sell the dog to someone else. She gave me a lot of shit and it got ugly but she did refund my money.

Happy ending: I did what my vet said to do and went with a rescue dog and life has been happy ever after.

Please name the breeding facility and the type of dog. C’mon!

It was a giant schnoodle breeder (not a lot of them). At the time I was totally uneducated regarding the doodle industry. Now, especially since adopting my little toy poodle who spent the first four years of her life in a cage in a puppy mill having litter after litter of maltipoos, I know better. But back then, I didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand what you mean by thinking the breeder is going to be with you throughout the dog’s life? What does that even mean?

The truly ethical breeders will have it written in the contracts that they will take their dogs back if the family cannot take care of them anymore, so the dogs won’t be dumped into shelters.

It isn’t clear OP’s breeder won’t take it back. They just don’t want to give her a refund. Those contracts don’t say you get a refund if you change your mind.

I'm the pp after you - they dont say you get a refund if you change your mind, but excluding key health items or selling an unhealthy animal likely voids the contract anyways.

Not a breeder, I have a stray but I question the condition is that bad or Op would be willing to say what it is….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is an odd post. Anonymous OP won't elaborate on the congenital issue and that is an important detail here. For example, hernia's can be congenital from birth and that is not uncommon, as the AKC website has an article on this point. Our pure breed had one that just required 3 stitches when they were fixed. Having occasional pups in a liter with such an issue would not warrant characterizing the breeder poorly... That being said, a good breeder will note these things before you get your pup.

Not OP, but I am the prior poster who insisted on a refund when the trainer my puppy was with before coming home to me revealed to me that the dog had a hernia. I was far less concerned about the hernia itself than I was about dealing with a breeder that never revealed to me that the dog had one. My vet said to me "What else are they hiding? I know it is hard, but don't support this."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went through this with a not-reputable breeder (I did not know at the time that they were not reputable). I bought the puppy and also bought an optional expensive board-and-train program where a friend of the breeder who is a dog trainer takes the puppy for a few weeks and house trains them etc before the puppy goes home. This was a dumb thing to do but I'd never had a dog and was nervous. A few days after my dog went to the trainer's house, she sent me an update and mentioned "massaging the problematic hernia." What hernia??

I'd had first pick of the litter, and was told by friends that the smart thing to do is tell the breeder what your priorities are and have them pick the dog for you. I did that. She never told me anything about the dog she assigned to me having a hernia. Not a word until the trainer mentioned it. So she chose the dog with a health issue that had the potential to be serious to give to me, and didn't inform me of the hernia at all.

When I consulted my vet about hernias, she told me I shouldn't support this "breeder" in any way shape or form. So I insisted the breeder refund my money and sell the dog to someone else. She gave me a lot of shit and it got ugly but she did refund my money.

Happy ending: I did what my vet said to do and went with a rescue dog and life has been happy ever after.

Certainly not a happy ending for that puppy... breeder probably had it put down. Too bad it wasn't perfect for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went through this with a not-reputable breeder (I did not know at the time that they were not reputable). I bought the puppy and also bought an optional expensive board-and-train program where a friend of the breeder who is a dog trainer takes the puppy for a few weeks and house trains them etc before the puppy goes home. This was a dumb thing to do but I'd never had a dog and was nervous. A few days after my dog went to the trainer's house, she sent me an update and mentioned "massaging the problematic hernia." What hernia??

I'd had first pick of the litter, and was told by friends that the smart thing to do is tell the breeder what your priorities are and have them pick the dog for you. I did that. She never told me anything about the dog she assigned to me having a hernia. Not a word until the trainer mentioned it. So she chose the dog with a health issue that had the potential to be serious to give to me, and didn't inform me of the hernia at all.

When I consulted my vet about hernias, she told me I shouldn't support this "breeder" in any way shape or form. So I insisted the breeder refund my money and sell the dog to someone else. She gave me a lot of shit and it got ugly but she did refund my money.

Happy ending: I did what my vet said to do and went with a rescue dog and life has been happy ever after.

Certainly not a happy ending for that puppy... breeder probably had it put down. Too bad it wasn't perfect for you.

What? Of course not -- that was a $2k dog and she had a long wait list. The dog went to another buyer within 48 hours.