IEPs and RMIB/Blair

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Anonymous wrote:If a student has an IEP (or 504) with an extended time accommodation, they would of course get their extended time on quizzes and tests. But from a practical standpoint, if they need longer processing time to demonstrate knowledge, or additional time on homework and projects due to executive functioning challenges, are programs that have a high workload and are designed to be fast paced really a good choice? It seems that such a student would be constantly playing catch-up - they would need to use lunch or after school to finish quizzes and tests, but then when would they retake quizzes? If they don't have one project finished on time, how are they going to be able to start the next one along with everyone else? That seems like a great way to create a lot of stress and a poor learning environment for the student.

I suggest focusing on having a strong 9th and 10th grade year at your local high school. Students at all high schools can ramp up rigor with AP courses, and if they are at a school with IB, they can join the IBDP in 11th grade.

Some of the secondary magnet programs in MCPS focus on collaborative work/team projects. In these, there will be a lot of challenges for the students with extended time and whomever they partner with. Teachers can’t share with other students that Larla has an extra three days to turn in their rough draft slides. All the other group members know is that it is 7 pm on Sunday and the presentation is due at midnight, but Larla is the only one who has nothing done. They might bombard Larla with increasingly demanding messages or Dagny decides to just do Larla’s part herself so she can stop stressing about it.
If Larla decides to share her disability and extended time accommodation with the group, the other students often have prejudices about PWD that kick in.

This is a very good point. You have a lot of kids who are grade-oriented, and get stressed out when projects are unfinished close to the deadline. The collaborative nature of many of the magnet classes can set kids up for challenges with peers, who are more likely to assume a child "just doesn't care" than to assume the child has an accommodation.

This doesn't make any sense at all. Teachers wouldn't knowingly group kids together in this situation. If that happened all the kids are responsible as a group for the deadline, irrespective of accomodations.

I think the point is that teachers have to group kids together in this situation. If your entire semester is building toward creating a certain work product in a group, there is no non-group option.

But the thing is that there are lots of different kinds of IEPs, so this is going to be highly individualized. The magnets are fast paced and often include large projects. A child who really struggles with executive function is going to find that environment difficult, whether they have an IEP or not. But a kid who just needs to type every assignment, or have text to voice accommodations, will likely do just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If a kid has an IEP are the magnet programs off the table? I know they’re not in theory but what about in practicality? Can kids get time and a half on tests? Resource class?

When I was in public school, I was often advised not to take challenging classes because of a disability. Turns out this was bad advice. In fact, I was far more interested in the school because of the material and was always at the top of my class. Further, I think it's against the law to discriminate against anyone because of a disability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:If a student has an IEP (or 504) with an extended time accommodation, they would of course get their extended time on quizzes and tests. But from a practical standpoint, if they need longer processing time to demonstrate knowledge, or additional time on homework and projects due to executive functioning challenges, are programs that have a high workload and are designed to be fast paced really a good choice? It seems that such a student would be constantly playing catch-up - they would need to use lunch or after school to finish quizzes and tests, but then when would they retake quizzes? If they don't have one project finished on time, how are they going to be able to start the next one along with everyone else? That seems like a great way to create a lot of stress and a poor learning environment for the student.

I suggest focusing on having a strong 9th and 10th grade year at your local high school. Students at all high schools can ramp up rigor with AP courses, and if they are at a school with IB, they can join the IBDP in 11th grade.

Some of the secondary magnet programs in MCPS focus on collaborative work/team projects. In these, there will be a lot of challenges for the students with extended time and whomever they partner with. Teachers can’t share with other students that Larla has an extra three days to turn in their rough draft slides. All the other group members know is that it is 7 pm on Sunday and the presentation is due at midnight, but Larla is the only one who has nothing done. They might bombard Larla with increasingly demanding messages or Dagny decides to just do Larla’s part herself so she can stop stressing about it.
If Larla decides to share her disability and extended time accommodation with the group, the other students often have prejudices about PWD that kick in.

This is a very good point. You have a lot of kids who are grade-oriented, and get stressed out when projects are unfinished close to the deadline. The collaborative nature of many of the magnet classes can set kids up for challenges with peers, who are more likely to assume a child "just doesn't care" than to assume the child has an accommodation.

This doesn't make any sense at all. Teachers wouldn't knowingly group kids together in this situation. If that happened all the kids are responsible as a group for the deadline, irrespective of accomodations.

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It makes no sense. A kid with accommodations would still be in communication with their group about what they are doing and when. Do you just assume that because a child has special needs they are unable to communicate basic things and meet deadlines when a group is involved? I do agree there are prejudices and they start with overbearing parents.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a student has an IEP (or 504) with an extended time accommodation, they would of course get their extended time on quizzes and tests. But from a practical standpoint, if they need longer processing time to demonstrate knowledge, or additional time on homework and projects due to executive functioning challenges, are programs that have a high workload and are designed to be fast paced really a good choice? It seems that such a student would be constantly playing catch-up - they would need to use lunch or after school to finish quizzes and tests, but then when would they retake quizzes? If they don't have one project finished on time, how are they going to be able to start the next one along with everyone else? That seems like a great way to create a lot of stress and a poor learning environment for the student.

I suggest focusing on having a strong 9th and 10th grade year at your local high school. Students at all high schools can ramp up rigor with AP courses, and if they are at a school with IB, they can join the IBDP in 11th grade.

Some of the secondary magnet programs in MCPS focus on collaborative work/team projects. In these, there will be a lot of challenges for the students with extended time and whomever they partner with. Teachers can’t share with other students that Larla has an extra three days to turn in their rough draft slides. All the other group members know is that it is 7 pm on Sunday and the presentation is due at midnight, but Larla is the only one who has nothing done. They might bombard Larla with increasingly demanding messages or Dagny decides to just do Larla’s part herself so she can stop stressing about it.
If Larla decides to share her disability and extended time accommodation with the group, the other students often have prejudices about PWD that kick in.

There are collaborative projects at every high school in MCPS. Most students who have extended time have 504s and they usually apply to testing and not regular homework and almost never to longer term projects. DC has been in groups many times in a magnet with kids they know have extended time through a 504. It has never been a problem. The bigger problem has been kids who are arrogant and uncooperative and only want to do things their way, and are more often wrong than right in their approach.

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