Yellow cards?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just like education starts at home, similar goes for soccer. Coaches in Travel spend quite some time talking about the rules, positions, etc. Rec coaches not so much.

Referees know this so they don't tend to stop a game and/or give out card unless there is strong violation. Refs in Rec also get paid a LOT less than Travel refs, so the expectations are different as well.

Nothing here is accurate.
There are very few coaches, at any level, that talk about the rules, or even know them well.
Referees don't care if players and coaches know the rules, and they certainly don't have different standards based on that.
Pay is generally based on age, not skill. I do everything from MSI to MLS Next, and the pay isn't that different. A little higher in the better leagues, but certainy not a lot more.

Let's look at what a center referee gets paid for U14 for example. My Rec League: $55; NCSL: $70; ECNL: $75; ECNL-R: $80; EDP: $90; Club State Cup: $80; Super Y: $60

[Anonymous]

I am a newer referee and there is truth that referees don't like to give cards to younger kids. This is something that I don't really have any sort of handle on. Should a U9 rec kid center back get red carded for fouling a kid and he's last defender? Should a U10 GK get red carded for coming out and fouling a kid on a break away. Should you give him a yellow instead? But what if, instead of U9. it's u11 and it's NCSL. Does that change anything? What if, instead of U10 GK, it's U13 ECNL-R? There's some unwritten rule out there that I don't know of when to card and when not to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or does anybody else notice the lack of carding done by referees at the youth level? Some may disagree but I feel like if players are deservedly carded at a young age that can help clean the game up as they get older. After watching my daughters for a number of years I definitely feel like between the two of them that it feels like refs are more inclined to not card than card players out there.

I've seen the same thing, and seen certain teamz exploit it and make cynical fouls. I agree it would benefit everyone if referees held youth players to a higher standard than they are now.

It's "teams"

Iz it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interestingly at ODP tryouts my small but very skilled DD had multiple fouls made against her that would have been called in a game, or at least one hopes… like pushes from the pack, jersey pulling over, and elbow in the ribs. It didn’t stop her at all, she is a good player, but she has some very big bruises. It shows what happens when things are unchecked… wish the girls had biobanding!

How do you know this if you were sitting in the car as instructed?

Not too hard from portajohns on a close field. Saw the push from there. Some she told me, and is backed up by the bruises and turf burn plus all the little rubber things in her hair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a newer referee and there is truth that referees don't like to give cards to younger kids. This is something that I don't really have any sort of handle on. Should a U9 rec kid center back get red carded for fouling a kid and he's last defender? Should a U10 GK get red carded for coming out and fouling a kid on a break away. Should you give him a yellow instead? But what if, instead of U9. it's u11 and it's NCSL. Does that change anything? What if, instead of U10 GK, it's U13 ECNL-R? There's some unwritten rule out there that I don't know of when to card and when not to.

I feel like if there is any game and its being officiated by a licensed referee there shouldn't be any inconsistencies. The rules are what they are and its the referee's position to enforce them and for the players to understand them and play within them. I feel like pushback from sidelines and parents has caused referees to feel like they need to second guess themselves if its worth it to deal out yellows/reds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a newer referee and there is truth that referees don't like to give cards to younger kids. This is something that I don't really have any sort of handle on. Should a U9 rec kid center back get red carded for fouling a kid and he's last defender? Should a U10 GK get red carded for coming out and fouling a kid on a break away. Should you give him a yellow instead? But what if, instead of U9. it's u11 and it's NCSL. Does that change anything? What if, instead of U10 GK, it's U13 ECNL-R? There's some unwritten rule out there that I don't know of when to card and when not to.

I feel like if there is any game and its being officiated by a licensed referee there shouldn't be any inconsistencies. The rules are what they are and its the referee's position to enforce them and for the players to understand them and play within them. I feel like pushback from sidelines and parents has caused referees to feel like they need to second guess themselves if its worth it to deal out yellows/reds.

I posted what you responded to and I 100% agree with you. I think that, even at U9, we should use the appropriate cards so that kids learn what is a card and what isn't. When it comes to red cards, I think the red card should be shown and it's up to the Rules of Competition for that league to determine if that the player needs to be sent off or not. For example, a U10 GK fouls the striker on a breakaway and it's DOGSO. The referee should show the Red Card so everyone knows that it's red card offense but, if that league doesn't want to send the player off and and have the kid miss the next game, etc etc that should be stated in the Rules. It shouldn't be up to referees to do what THEY think is right with all the inconsistencies between referees as you pointed out. With that all said, many referees who don't card use the the "spirit" of the Laws argument even though the Laws are clear about some YCs and RC infractions. Below is from the Laws of the Game. Some referees don't think that football wants a young player carded. I think LEAGUES need to be clearer with what they expect.

"The Laws cannot deal with every possible situation, so where there is no direct provision in the Laws, The IFAB expects the referee to make a decision within the ‘spirit’ of the game and the Laws – this often involves asking the question, “what would football want/expect?” "