The New Out-of-State Recruit

[Anonymous]

I want my state to recruit the smartest and most productive and interesting kids to come here because I know there’s some likelihood they will stay and contribute to making my state better. I don’t care what race or background the kids are. It’s malfeasance for a state NOT to be doing this.

[Anonymous]

For a lot of this will depend on where you are from and the opportunities available in your state. Take the DMV area for example, DC based kids are most likely not going to select a DC school so are headed elsewhere and places like Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Illinois are potentials destinations, as well as big Southern schools. MD kids like the flavor of UMCP but not everyone is going to get in, so they look at many of the same schools as the DC kids. VA kids, particularly those in NOVA may avoid W&M and UVA because they don't want NOVA II so look at the big out of state flagship for the traditional college experience.

If the out of state schools are going to offer discounts to bring costs in line with state schools kids and parents will take the chance and head out of state. In an era of tightening state budgets, with less and less money spent on higher education, schools are going to do what they need to do to survive. It probably won't be long before schools like UNC begin to admit a higher percentage of out of state residents.

Yes, there will be winners and losers in this game of musical chairs, but it will become more and more common.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a result of the woke schools with large endowments filling their classes with URMs, so state schools are targeting those that have been displaced from their usual destinations, who just happen to be predominantly white UMC candidates.

Congratulations on the stupidest post of the day. A glance at the URM percentage at almost any school shows how laughably out of touch this moronic post is, but don’t let facts stand in your way.

Do you have a neo-Nazi protest to attend in Florida?

There isn't a number high enough to + this.

[Anonymous]

Give UDC is basically free, I am all for this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want my state to recruit the smartest and most productive and interesting kids to come here because I know there’s some likelihood they will stay and contribute to making my state better. I don’t care what race or background the kids are. It’s malfeasance for a state NOT to be doing this.

Good luck with that. Kind of naive though. There's always an agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at percentage of white students in the incoming classes at these schools:

UPenn 35%
Northwestern 33%
Yale 31%
Stanford 22%
John’s Hopkins 17%

VS

Some state flagships

Illinois 37%
UMich 49%
UVA 52%
Wisconsin 57%
Ohio State 62%

And look at the Asian applicants at those schools. It's not URMs driving down the white seats.

Ah, it is the ORM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want my state to recruit the smartest and most productive and interesting kids to come here because I know there’s some likelihood they will stay and contribute to making my state better. I don’t care what race or background the kids are. It’s malfeasance for a state NOT to be doing this.

That's not what is happening. They are recruiting from rich white areas to get a bunch of rich kids to pay out of state and correct some budget deficits.

That is why so many W kids go to Michigan. It was a budget issue.

UVA tried to do it with Montgomery County kids but a group of parents sued the school for taking essentially the exact same kid from a W school vs a northern VA school just for the $$, and the parents won, which is why UVA now has a limit on OOS kids from places like MoCo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want my state to recruit the smartest and most productive and interesting kids to come here because I know there’s some likelihood they will stay and contribute to making my state better. I don’t care what race or background the kids are. It’s malfeasance for a state NOT to be doing this.

That's not what is happening. They are recruiting from rich white areas to get a bunch of rich kids to pay out of state and correct some budget deficits.

That is why so many W kids go to Michigan. It was a budget issue.

UVA tried to do it with Montgomery County kids but a group of parents sued the school for taking essentially the exact same kid from a W school vs a northern VA school just for the $$, and the parents won, which is why UVA now has a limit on OOS kids from places like MoCo.

That's fair, because UVA also has an in-state limit on kids from places like Fairfax, Loudoun, and Arlington County. =D

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want my state to recruit the smartest and most productive and interesting kids to come here because I know there’s some likelihood they will stay and contribute to making my state better. I don’t care what race or background the kids are. It’s malfeasance for a state NOT to be doing this.

That's not what is happening. They are recruiting from rich white areas to get a bunch of rich kids to pay out of state and correct some budget deficits.

That is why so many W kids go to Michigan. It was a budget issue.

UVA tried to do it with Montgomery County kids but a group of parents sued the school for taking essentially the exact same kid from a W school vs a northern VA school just for the $$, and the parents won, which is why UVA now has a limit on OOS kids from places like MoCo.

That's fair, because UVA also has an in-state limit on kids from places like Fairfax, Loudoun, and Arlington County. =D

Agreed, it's fair, just trying to explain the whole OOS thing, why they are recruiting from rich schools.

W schools in MoCo are not asking for financial aid so Michigan knows if they accept more students from there they are not going to have to pay FA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want my state to recruit the smartest and most productive and interesting kids to come here because I know there’s some likelihood they will stay and contribute to making my state better. I don’t care what race or background the kids are. It’s malfeasance for a state NOT to be doing this.

That's not what is happening. They are recruiting from rich white areas to get a bunch of rich kids to pay out of state and correct some budget deficits.

That is why so many W kids go to Michigan. It was a budget issue.

UVA tried to do it with Montgomery County kids but a group of parents sued the school for taking essentially the exact same kid from a W school vs a northern VA school just for the $$, and the parents won, which is why UVA now has a limit on OOS kids from places like MoCo.

That's fair, because UVA also has an in-state limit on kids from places like Fairfax, Loudoun, and Arlington County. =D

source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want my state to recruit the smartest and most productive and interesting kids to come here because I know there’s some likelihood they will stay and contribute to making my state better. I don’t care what race or background the kids are. It’s malfeasance for a state NOT to be doing this.

That's not what is happening. They are recruiting from rich white areas to get a bunch of rich kids to pay out of state and correct some budget deficits.

That is why so many W kids go to Michigan. It was a budget issue.

UVA tried to do it with Montgomery County kids but a group of parents sued the school for taking essentially the exact same kid from a W school vs a northern VA school just for the $$, and the parents won, which is why UVA now has a limit on OOS kids from places like MoCo.

That's fair, because UVA also has an in-state limit on kids from places like Fairfax, Loudoun, and Arlington County. =D

source?

NP, restrictions by school/jurisdiction make sense, however UVA claims they don't practice that:
"Do you have quotas or targets for certain schools or areas?
No. While we maintain a 2/3 majority of Virginia residents in our student population, there are no restrictions on how many students we may admit from a particular school, town, county, or region"
https://admission.virginia.edu/faqs#:~:text=Do%20you%20have%20quotas%20or,town%2C%20county%2C%20or%20region.

[Anonymous]

Taking one-third from OOS is atrocious. It's really throwing that state's own kids under the bus. Plus, its just jacking up costs on OOS families by the fact that they got shut-out of their own in-state flagship.

States that actually care about their kids will impose harder caps on OOS, like California, where only 18% of the UC system can be OOS.

It's become a game of musical chairs where LMI kids are f#cked over because "merit" aid goes to UMC OOS kids and UMC families are still paying more than double what they would pay for UMCP because now they are recruiting a bunch of rich kids from Long Island who don't want to go to SUNY.

[Anonymous]

I' m pretty sure schools like Bama are also playing the volume game in addition to trying to raise the overall average stats of who they admit. The marginal cost of adding more students is nothing compared to what they collect from them that otherwise would have been zero. The professor teaching Chem 101 doesn't get paid more for having 360 kids in their class rather than 320. Even with a deep 100% tuition discount, those kids are still paying more for R&B, parking passes, t-shirts, and what not than the cost of feeding and housing them in Tuscaloosa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I want my state to recruit the smartest and most productive and interesting kids to come here because I know there’s some likelihood they will stay and contribute to making my state better. I don’t care what race or background the kids are. It’s malfeasance for a state NOT to be doing this.

That's not what is happening. They are recruiting from rich white areas to get a bunch of rich kids to pay out of state and correct some budget deficits.

That is why so many W kids go to Michigan. It was a budget issue.

UVA tried to do it with Montgomery County kids but a group of parents sued the school for taking essentially the exact same kid from a W school vs a northern VA school just for the $$, and the parents won, which is why UVA now has a limit on OOS kids from places like MoCo.

Where did you come up with this? The 2/3 thing came out of a budget and autonomy agreement, not a lawsuit.

Or maybe I grew up in a different timeline. Please post a link to the article about this lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Taking one-third from OOS is atrocious. It's really throwing that state's own kids under the bus. Plus, its just jacking up costs on OOS families by the fact that they got shut-out of their own in-state flagship.

States that actually care about their kids will impose harder caps on OOS, like California, where only 18% of the UC system can be OOS.

It's become a game of musical chairs where LMI kids are f#cked over because "merit" aid goes to UMC OOS kids and UMC families are still paying more than double what they would pay for UMCP because now they are recruiting a bunch of rich kids from Long Island who don't want to go to SUNY.

Virginia's legislature won't fund our colleges as well as other states, so the colleges need that OOS money. The legislature agreed to the 2/3 to 1/3 ratio.