Asian American medical students face racism, discrimination: Yale study

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After the whole Vijay Chokal Ingam thing we re-evaluated some of our doctors. Stopped seeing two of them just to be cautious.

The whole lying to get into medical school thing for me is worse than struggling to get through medical school. I HAVE to be able to trust a doctor when I go in.

Who's that? Did you also stop seeing White doctors after this news broke? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Bradley

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

invisibility as a racial microaggression, with one student sharing, “It took them the whole first year to be able to tell me apart from the other Asian guy.”

lol cry more.

In point of fact, I prefer Asian doctors and surgeons because they are hard-working, competent, and overcame affirmative action working against them. See, sometimes racism works in your favor!

As an ICU RN I worked side-by-side with medical students and residents for 15+ years in an academic medical center in a setting where we had many critically ill and dying patients. I will say (and I'm sure that this will be deleted in about 5 seconds) that outward empathy and compassion is less prevalent in SOME Asian medical doctors/residents than other races. I have no doubt that this mostly cultural but it impacts how they are viewed by some patients and staff members.

Now watching this get deleted in 3..2..1..

It’s probably the expression of compassion rather than the presence of compassion.

To be fair, that is exactly what she said, “outward empathy and compassion.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

invisibility as a racial microaggression, with one student sharing, “It took them the whole first year to be able to tell me apart from the other Asian guy.”

lol cry more.

In point of fact, I prefer Asian doctors and surgeons because they are hard-working, competent, and overcame affirmative action working against them. See, sometimes racism works in your favor!

As an ICU RN I worked side-by-side with medical students and residents for 15+ years in an academic medical center in a setting where we had many critically ill and dying patients. I will say (and I'm sure that this will be deleted in about 5 seconds) that outward empathy and compassion is less prevalent in SOME Asian medical doctors/residents than other races. I have no doubt that this mostly cultural but it impacts how they are viewed by some patients and staff members.

Now watching this get deleted in 3..2..1..

I am an Asian and I don't find your post offensive. Idiotic maybe but not offensive.

Ha. Thanks for personally fulfilling the sterotype.

[Anonymous]

It’s like anything can be called a microaggression.

[Anonymous]

We are Asians and I tell my kids to brush off racism and be focused on their goals. People of all races have biases. If we as first gen immigrants have thrived in this country, our kids who have gone to good schools with an abundance of resources should have no excuse. Call out the racism but never let it be a hindrance. When admissions are tougher for Asians, I tell my kids they have to work harder, it will benefit them in the long run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

invisibility as a racial microaggression, with one student sharing, “It took them the whole first year to be able to tell me apart from the other Asian guy.”

lol cry more.

In point of fact, I prefer Asian doctors and surgeons because they are hard-working, competent, and overcame affirmative action working against them. See, sometimes racism works in your favor!

As an ICU RN I worked side-by-side with medical students and residents for 15+ years in an academic medical center in a setting where we had many critically ill and dying patients. I will say (and I'm sure that this will be deleted in about 5 seconds) that outward empathy and compassion is less prevalent in SOME Asian medical doctors/residents than other races. I have no doubt that this mostly cultural but it impacts how they are viewed by some patients and staff members.

Now watching this get deleted in 3..2..1..

It’s probably the expression of compassion rather than the presence of compassion.

Doubt PP knows the difference.

indeed, Asian cultures aren't very demonstrative about their feelings. But, the culture greatly values family, and taking care of their elders and children.

[Anonymous]

I’m not sure why people expect life to be perfect. That they should never encounter someone rude or offensive. Why are they giving so much power away to other people they randomly encounter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah that's true. My daughter told us incidents like these but I am not sure why it's surprising? I, myself, have experienced these things growing up. A lot of Americans are racists. It is what it is. I tell my daughter to just ignore and move on and focus on something productive.

Well, immigrant parents may feel safe in such strategy as they feel thankful for the opportunity to be here and are afraid to ask for equality even after living, working and contributing for all their adult lives but they shouldn't pass this mentality on to their kids born and raised here. Why would they accept second grade treatment by anyone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

invisibility as a racial microaggression, with one student sharing, “It took them the whole first year to be able to tell me apart from the other Asian guy.”

lol cry more.

In point of fact, I prefer Asian doctors and surgeons because they are hard-working, competent, and overcame affirmative action working against them. See, sometimes racism works in your favor!

As an ICU RN I worked side-by-side with medical students and residents for 15+ years in an academic medical center in a setting where we had many critically ill and dying patients. I will say (and I'm sure that this will be deleted in about 5 seconds) that outward empathy and compassion is less prevalent in SOME Asian medical doctors/residents than other races. I have no doubt that this mostly cultural but it impacts how they are viewed by some patients and staff members.

Now watching this get deleted in 3..2..1..

I am an Asian and I don't find your post offensive. Idiotic maybe but not offensive.

Ha. Thanks for personally fulfilling the sterotype.

IMO, the ICU RN actually proves OP's point of racism against Asian Americans.

What if I said all the black doctors I've met were kind of dumb? I'm sure that impacts how they are perceived by their peers and patients.

See how that goes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why people expect life to be perfect. That they should never encounter someone rude or offensive. Why are they giving so much power away to other people they randomly encounter?

Let racists be racists? Do you think racism doesn't effect people, discrimination and psychological damage can just be shrugged off?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It makes apoorva (Vivek’s wife) even more impressive

Yale ug, Yale medical, ent surgeon

You know she wasn’t given any hand outs

Helps to be from super rich, well connected family

is her family super-rich and well-connected? Troy MI is not super-rich
she had to have incredible grades and test scores to get in Yale ug + med

Do we have the same lady in mind?

https://americankahani.com/lead-stories/a-leader-in-her-own-unique-world-meet-apoorva-ramaswamy-physician-wife-of-gop-presidential-hopeful/

Her background is further down.

"The daughter of urologist Ashutosh K. Tewari and Maya Tewari, Apoorva Ramaswamy grew up in New York. Her father is the chairman of urology at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City. Before moving to the Icahn School of Medicine in 2013, he was the founding director of both the Center for Prostate Cancer at Weill Cornell Medical College and the LeFrak Center for Robotic Surgery at NewYork–Presbyterian Hospital, according to his Mount Sinai profile. He is known for pioneering oncological research in the field of genitourinary robotic surgery and the development of revolutionary techniques to maximize cancer control and recovery of urinary and sexual function.

After graduating from Horace Mann School in New York City, Apoorva Ramaswamy got a bachelor’s degree in biology from Yale University in 2011 before enrolling in Yale University School of Medicine. She completed grad school in 2015 and did her residency at New York-Presbyterian Hospital. She’s been working at her current job at Wexner Medical Center at Ohio University since August 2021."

Interesting that you mentioned Troy, MI? Where are you getting that connection from? I'm from that neck of the woods and haven't heard anything like that.

Did you really think Vivek would marry a middle class nobody? (I'm in that class so I'm not putting anyone down) Don't fall for all the Vivek tales about how his family arrived from India in tattered clothing and went on to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After the whole Vijay Chokal Ingam thing we re-evaluated some of our doctors. Stopped seeing two of them just to be cautious.

The whole lying to get into medical school thing for me is worse than struggling to get through medical school. I HAVE to be able to trust a doctor when I go in.

Who's that? Did you also stop seeing White doctors after this news broke? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Bradley

Mindy Kaling's less funny brother

https://browngirlmagazine.com/mindy-kalings-brother-vikay-chokal-ingams-confession-is-bigger-than-a-ploy-against-affirmative-action/
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/affirmative-action-is-legalised-racism-indian-american-who-pretended-to-be-black-speaks-out-101688971531909.html
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidnoriega/the-problems-with-mindy-kalings-brothers-med-school-hoax

In the end I fear he did a massive disservice to the community. I can't stand hearing his name brought up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why people expect life to be perfect. That they should never encounter someone rude or offensive. Why are they giving so much power away to other people they randomly encounter?

It's not just about 'rude or offensive'. It's about people making decisions that adversely affect outcomes. For instance (we're of Indian origin), one of my nieces is doing her residency. While she was in medical school, she saw blatant favoritism towards white and especially male students. Regardless of merit, they were given more prestigious positions and awards (the winner in their group was a guy that had faced disciplinary actions twice, and should have been disqualified). Other than from POC physicians and teachers, the POC students could not get good letters of recommendation. This isn't encountering someone rude or offensive; it's actually impacting their ability to practice medicine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

invisibility as a racial microaggression, with one student sharing, “It took them the whole first year to be able to tell me apart from the other Asian guy.”

lol cry more.

In point of fact, I prefer Asian doctors and surgeons because they are hard-working, competent, and overcame affirmative action working against them. See, sometimes racism works in your favor!

Well, majority of Asian physicians are born, raised and educated in their homes countries and coming here for residency so obviously there are cultural differences. Only 20% are US born and raised Asian-Americans from local medical schools.

That being said, empathy and lack of it is similar in physicians of all races. You may see it more in people you can't relate to.

As an ICU RN I worked side-by-side with medical students and residents for 15+ years in an academic medical center in a setting where we had many critically ill and dying patients. I will say (and I'm sure that this will be deleted in about 5 seconds) that outward empathy and compassion is less prevalent in SOME Asian medical doctors/residents than other races. I have no doubt that this mostly cultural but it impacts how they are viewed by some patients and staff members.

Now watching this get deleted in 3..2..1..

[Anonymous]

Well, majority of Asian physicians are born, raised and educated in their homes countries and coming here for residency so obviously there are cultural differences. Only 20% are US born and raised Asian-Americans from local medical schools.

That being said, empathy and lack of it is similar in physicians of all races. You may see it more in people you can't relate to.