Late bloomers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally have seen a kid in my extended family who was the reverse of your question. I know you didn’t ask about early bloomer but I still wanted to mention it. This kid was brilliant throughout elementary, MS and HS. Identified as gifted by school. Top performer in various extra-curricular activities. NMF. Won a international medal. Reached state level in a sport. Fast forward to now-dropped out of engineering program after struggling for 5 years and now has 2 more years left to complete a non-engineering degree. This has been a big lesson for me as a parent.

What does this mean?

Won a medal in a competition where there were participants from other countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally have seen a kid in my extended family who was the reverse of your question. I know you didn’t ask about early bloomer but I still wanted to mention it. This kid was brilliant throughout elementary, MS and HS. Identified as gifted by school. Top performer in various extra-curricular activities. NMF. Won a international medal. Reached state level in a sport. Fast forward to now-dropped out of engineering program after struggling for 5 years and now has 2 more years left to complete a non-engineering degree. This has been a big lesson for me as a parent.

What was the lesson? (Besides "you can't predict the future")

[Anonymous]

TJ is a service, not a goal. It's not what everyone wants or needs to be successful.

[Anonymous]

My honest opinion is that AAP doesn't make a difference - the IQ tests flagging the kids young is the important thing / the indicator.

That said - I know a lot of smart people - and I truly also believe that hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. I see book smart people that are not successful in the work world.

[Anonymous]

OP, DC did not qualify for AAP. Didn't apply to TJ. Ended HS with: AP Physics C, AP Calc BC, AP Chem and 720 math sat. Now has a doctorate from a top state university in STEM. I think likely, the first student from her HS class to obtain a doctorate. Sorry for the Mom brag. Trying to assure non-AAP students/families.

[Anonymous]

Can get fantastic education even without AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally have seen a kid in my extended family who was the reverse of your question. I know you didn’t ask about early bloomer but I still wanted to mention it. This kid was brilliant throughout elementary, MS and HS. Identified as gifted by school. Top performer in various extra-curricular activities. NMF. Won a international medal. Reached state level in a sport. Fast forward to now-dropped out of engineering program after struggling for 5 years and now has 2 more years left to complete a non-engineering degree. This has been a big lesson for me as a parent.

I think the "big lesson" from cases like these is that kids need to be pushed. Kids like these lack grit and can't finish an engineering degree within 5 (!) years because they don't know how to push through when things got tough.

This is a case where sending a kid to TJ would've been great for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally have seen a kid in my extended family who was the reverse of your question. I know you didn’t ask about early bloomer but I still wanted to mention it. This kid was brilliant throughout elementary, MS and HS. Identified as gifted by school. Top performer in various extra-curricular activities. NMF. Won a international medal. Reached state level in a sport. Fast forward to now-dropped out of engineering program after struggling for 5 years and now has 2 more years left to complete a non-engineering degree. This has been a big lesson for me as a parent.

I think the "big lesson" from cases like these is that kids need to be pushed. Kids like these lack grit and can't finish an engineering degree within 5 (!) years because they don't know how to push through when things got tough.

This is a case where sending a kid to TJ would've been great for them.

what are you doing? Posters here are trying hard staying up day & night, working their ass off, trying to convince a certain kind of people not to apply to TJ. You are ruining their weekend by saying something good about TJ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally have seen a kid in my extended family who was the reverse of your question. I know you didn’t ask about early bloomer but I still wanted to mention it. This kid was brilliant throughout elementary, MS and HS. Identified as gifted by school. Top performer in various extra-curricular activities. NMF. Won a international medal. Reached state level in a sport. Fast forward to now-dropped out of engineering program after struggling for 5 years and now has 2 more years left to complete a non-engineering degree. This has been a big lesson for me as a parent.

I think the "big lesson" from cases like these is that kids need to be pushed. Kids like these lack grit and can't finish an engineering degree within 5 (!) years because they don't know how to push through when things got tough.

This is a case where sending a kid to TJ would've been great for them.

This kid was pushed. He was in gifted programs, athletic competitions, international competitions. He was pushed and pushed and pushed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally have seen a kid in my extended family who was the reverse of your question. I know you didn’t ask about early bloomer but I still wanted to mention it. This kid was brilliant throughout elementary, MS and HS. Identified as gifted by school. Top performer in various extra-curricular activities. NMF. Won a international medal. Reached state level in a sport. Fast forward to now-dropped out of engineering program after struggling for 5 years and now has 2 more years left to complete a non-engineering degree. This has been a big lesson for me as a parent.

I think the "big lesson" from cases like these is that kids need to be pushed. Kids like these lack grit and can't finish an engineering degree within 5 (!) years because they don't know how to push through when things got tough.

This is a case where sending a kid to TJ would've been great for them.

This kid was pushed. He was in gifted programs, athletic competitions, international competitions. He was pushed and pushed and pushed.

Well, you just pushed the kid too much!

Being a parent is like being a masterful DJ of motivation; a tad too heavy on the pressure, and your kids might spontaneously combust into stress-balloons. Too light a touch, and suddenly they're plotting world domination from their playroom. And if you alternate between too little and too much, they'll assume you're a warehouse worker moonlighting as a chaotic inventory juggler.

Ah, the delicate art of pushing kids to greatness, or as I like to call it, "Parenting: With the right amount of pushing!" First, you need to be part motivational speaker, part circus ringmaster. Picture yourself in a dazzling sequin jacket, wielding a giant foam finger of encouragement.

You've got to strike that sweet balance between "You can do it, my little genius!" and "No, you can't tiktok and instagram back to back!" It's all about precision timing, like synchronized swimming, but with chores and homework.

Remember, you're the conductor of the "Get the best out of them" orchestra. Wave that baton of responsibility, but make sure it's made of chocolate for those occasional meltdowns, both theirs and yours.

And when in doubt, channel your inner cheerleader with pom-poms and all! Because pushing kids properly is a bit like choreographing a Broadway show — full of drama, laughter, and a grand finale where they become amazing adults. But only if you push right!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally have seen a kid in my extended family who was the reverse of your question. I know you didn’t ask about early bloomer but I still wanted to mention it. This kid was brilliant throughout elementary, MS and HS. Identified as gifted by school. Top performer in various extra-curricular activities. NMF. Won a international medal. Reached state level in a sport. Fast forward to now-dropped out of engineering program after struggling for 5 years and now has 2 more years left to complete a non-engineering degree. This has been a big lesson for me as a parent.

I think the "big lesson" from cases like these is that kids need to be pushed. Kids like these lack grit and can't finish an engineering degree within 5 (!) years because they don't know how to push through when things got tough.

This is a case where sending a kid to TJ would've been great for them.

This kid was pushed. He was in gifted programs, athletic competitions, international competitions. He was pushed and pushed and pushed.

Well, you just pushed the kid too much!

Being a parent is like being a masterful DJ of motivation; a tad too heavy on the pressure, and your kids might spontaneously combust into stress-balloons. Too light a touch, and suddenly they're plotting world domination from their playroom. And if you alternate between too little and too much, they'll assume you're a warehouse worker moonlighting as a chaotic inventory juggler.

Ah, the delicate art of pushing kids to greatness, or as I like to call it, "Parenting: With the right amount of pushing!" First, you need to be part motivational speaker, part circus ringmaster. Picture yourself in a dazzling sequin jacket, wielding a giant foam finger of encouragement.

You've got to strike that sweet balance between "You can do it, my little genius!" and "No, you can't tiktok and instagram back to back!" It's all about precision timing, like synchronized swimming, but with chores and homework.

Remember, you're the conductor of the "Get the best out of them" orchestra. Wave that baton of responsibility, but make sure it's made of chocolate for those occasional meltdowns, both theirs and yours.

And when in doubt, channel your inner cheerleader with pom-poms and all! Because pushing kids properly is a bit like choreographing a Broadway show — full of drama, laughter, and a grand finale where they become amazing adults. But only if you push right!

You sound insufferable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally have seen a kid in my extended family who was the reverse of your question. I know you didn’t ask about early bloomer but I still wanted to mention it. This kid was brilliant throughout elementary, MS and HS. Identified as gifted by school. Top performer in various extra-curricular activities. NMF. Won a international medal. Reached state level in a sport. Fast forward to now-dropped out of engineering program after struggling for 5 years and now has 2 more years left to complete a non-engineering degree. This has been a big lesson for me as a parent.

I think the "big lesson" from cases like these is that kids need to be pushed. Kids like these lack grit and can't finish an engineering degree within 5 (!) years because they don't know how to push through when things got tough.

This is a case where sending a kid to TJ would've been great for them.

This kid was pushed. He was in gifted programs, athletic competitions, international competitions. He was pushed and pushed and pushed.

Well, you just pushed the kid too much!

Being a parent is like being a masterful DJ of motivation; a tad too heavy on the pressure, and your kids might spontaneously combust into stress-balloons. Too light a touch, and suddenly they're plotting world domination from their playroom. And if you alternate between too little and too much, they'll assume you're a warehouse worker moonlighting as a chaotic inventory juggler.

Ah, the delicate art of pushing kids to greatness, or as I like to call it, "Parenting: With the right amount of pushing!" First, you need to be part motivational speaker, part circus ringmaster. Picture yourself in a dazzling sequin jacket, wielding a giant foam finger of encouragement.

You've got to strike that sweet balance between "You can do it, my little genius!" and "No, you can't tiktok and instagram back to back!" It's all about precision timing, like synchronized swimming, but with chores and homework.

Remember, you're the conductor of the "Get the best out of them" orchestra. Wave that baton of responsibility, but make sure it's made of chocolate for those occasional meltdowns, both theirs and yours.

And when in doubt, channel your inner cheerleader with pom-poms and all! Because pushing kids properly is a bit like choreographing a Broadway show — full of drama, laughter, and a grand finale where they become amazing adults. But only if you push right!

You sound insufferable.

I was wondering if it was meant to be ironic. But if that was the intent they didn’t quite pull it off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I personally have seen a kid in my extended family who was the reverse of your question. I know you didn’t ask about early bloomer but I still wanted to mention it. This kid was brilliant throughout elementary, MS and HS. Identified as gifted by school. Top performer in various extra-curricular activities. NMF. Won a international medal. Reached state level in a sport. Fast forward to now-dropped out of engineering program after struggling for 5 years and now has 2 more years left to complete a non-engineering degree. This has been a big lesson for me as a parent.

I think the "big lesson" from cases like these is that kids need to be pushed. Kids like these lack grit and can't finish an engineering degree within 5 (!) years because they don't know how to push through when things got tough.

This is a case where sending a kid to TJ would've been great for them.

This kid was pushed. He was in gifted programs, athletic competitions, international competitions. He was pushed and pushed and pushed.

Well, you just pushed the kid too much!

Being a parent is like being a masterful DJ of motivation; a tad too heavy on the pressure, and your kids might spontaneously combust into stress-balloons. Too light a touch, and suddenly they're plotting world domination from their playroom. And if you alternate between too little and too much, they'll assume you're a warehouse worker moonlighting as a chaotic inventory juggler.

Ah, the delicate art of pushing kids to greatness, or as I like to call it, "Parenting: With the right amount of pushing!" First, you need to be part motivational speaker, part circus ringmaster. Picture yourself in a dazzling sequin jacket, wielding a giant foam finger of encouragement.

You've got to strike that sweet balance between "You can do it, my little genius!" and "No, you can't tiktok and instagram back to back!" It's all about precision timing, like synchronized swimming, but with chores and homework.

Remember, you're the conductor of the "Get the best out of them" orchestra. Wave that baton of responsibility, but make sure it's made of chocolate for those occasional meltdowns, both theirs and yours.

And when in doubt, channel your inner cheerleader with pom-poms and all! Because pushing kids properly is a bit like choreographing a Broadway show — full of drama, laughter, and a grand finale where they become amazing adults. But only if you push right!

Who's got a crystal ball for deciphering this message? Are they serving up irony on a silver platter, tossing cheeky tongues around, or just running a sale on parenting wisdom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This question is out of curiosity.

Are there any experiences where kids were average in elementary school when it came to iready, nnat, cogat and other tests, but bloomed late and went to TJ, eventually to ivy leagues etc.

I wonder if some kids are late bloomers and their intellectual capacities aren't always visible at a very young age.

It does happen latter but one has to get through the k-12 educational system where something like high geospatial creativity is not used or developed.

There are smart people who have learning disabilities. They may struggle in elementary, middle school and high school. Do okay in undergrad and take off in grad school where creativity, innovation, geospatial analysis, problem solving, etc is what is valued. Also time limited work(ie this test 40 minutes) with one correct answer becomes less and less allowing more in-depth thinking, analysis and trial and error. Let’s face it elementary school through sophomore/junior year in college, they are not asking you to be creative or innovative. There is a joke at MIT. They refer to dyslexia as The MIT Disease because it is so common.

Interest article in the NYT(9/23) about time limits on SATs. Basically time pressure rewards students who think fast and shallow — and punishes those who think slow and deep. The evidence shows that although smarter people are faster at solving easy problems, they’re actually slower to finish difficult ones.