Summer Geometry

[Anonymous]

Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

The only time it makes sense to me is a “standard track” kid who wants to get the IB diploma. It is a requirement to take through algebra 2 and then fit in two years of IB math. If a kid takes algebra in 9th grade (sometimes due to moving and credits not transferring, coming from another country, or just going slowly through middle school), they must do summer geometry to get on the IB track. I have had a very small number of kids successfully opt for this.

Ive had a tom more do it to needlessly accelerate beyond calculus, to “look better for TJ applications”, or to catch accelerated friends. Some of them do fine, others find themselves over their heads or come out the other side with weak skills and a really painful summer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

For a kid who is both interested in math AND good at math, Geometry in the summer usually facilitates taking a more advanced math class in their senior year. In turn, this can both (a) improve the admission lottery chances into a college STEM program & (b) better prepare the student for math in college. As a bonus, it sometimes reduces “learning loss” between the regular school year Algebra courses, because they do not discontinue algebra studies for 12 months.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

For a kid who is both interested in math AND good at math, Geometry in the summer usually facilitates taking a more advanced math class in their senior year. In turn, this can both (a) improve the admission lottery chances into a college STEM program & (b) better prepare the student for math in college. As a bonus, it sometimes reduces “learning loss” between the regular school year Algebra courses, because they do not discontinue algebra studies for 12 months.

Neither does a student who takes geometry during the school year. Geometry is just applied algebra. Finding angle measurements, finding sides of triangles...it's just equations, systems of equations, simplifying radicals. Algebra.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

For a kid who is both interested in math AND good at math, Geometry in the summer usually facilitates taking a more advanced math class in their senior year. In turn, this can both (a) improve the admission lottery chances into a college STEM program & (b) better prepare the student for math in college. As a bonus, it sometimes reduces “learning loss” between the regular school year Algebra courses, because they do not discontinue algebra studies for 12 months.

Neither does a student who takes geometry during the school year. Geometry is just applied algebra. Finding angle measurements, finding sides of triangles...it's just equations, systems of equations, simplifying radicals. Algebra.

Nope, not at all, seems you didn't learn geometry very well in school.

You are confusing synthetic geometry with analytic geometry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

For a kid who is both interested in math AND good at math, Geometry in the summer usually facilitates taking a more advanced math class in their senior year. In turn, this can both (a) improve the admission lottery chances into a college STEM program & (b) better prepare the student for math in college. As a bonus, it sometimes reduces “learning loss” between the regular school year Algebra courses, because they do not discontinue algebra studies for 12 months.

This is about right.

[Anonymous]

Road to nowhere. Enjoy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

For a kid who is both interested in math AND good at math, Geometry in the summer usually facilitates taking a more advanced math class in their senior year. In turn, this can both (a) improve the admission lottery chances into a college STEM program & (b) better prepare the student for math in college. As a bonus, it sometimes reduces “learning loss” between the regular school year Algebra courses, because they do not discontinue algebra studies for 12 months.

Neither does a student who takes geometry during the school year. Geometry is just applied algebra. Finding angle measurements, finding sides of triangles...it's just equations, systems of equations, simplifying radicals. Algebra.

Nope, not at all, seems you didn't learn geometry very well in school.

You are confusing synthetic geometry with analytic geometry.

NP (I teach both geometry and algebra 2) - the PP is actually completely correct. The way the geometry standards are written in Virginia, it is nearly all just applied algebra. There's a tiny bit of trig (which then involves solving simple equations), and a halfway glance at proofs (barely), but there's not much else that isn't algebra or basic computational skills. Proportional reasoning, angle measurement, similar triangles...it's all just algebra.

The kids who claim to not like geometry but don't mind algebra just don't know how to set up the equation from the diagram.

My geometry class in high school was a lot of proofs and constructions, but that is no longer part of the (standard) geometry curriculum. Our honors classes still do proofs, but the gen ed ones don't beyond the bare minimum (steps are listed, students have to justify the logic behind them)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

For a kid who is both interested in math AND good at math, Geometry in the summer usually facilitates taking a more advanced math class in their senior year. In turn, this can both (a) improve the admission lottery chances into a college STEM program & (b) better prepare the student for math in college. As a bonus, it sometimes reduces “learning loss” between the regular school year Algebra courses, because they do not discontinue algebra studies for 12 months.

Neither does a student who takes geometry during the school year. Geometry is just applied algebra. Finding angle measurements, finding sides of triangles...it's just equations, systems of equations, simplifying radicals. Algebra.

Nope, not at all, seems you didn't learn geometry very well in school.

You are confusing synthetic geometry with analytic geometry.

NP (I teach both geometry and algebra 2) - the PP is actually completely correct. The way the geometry standards are written in Virginia, it is nearly all just applied algebra. There's a tiny bit of trig (which then involves solving simple equations), and a halfway glance at proofs (barely), but there's not much else that isn't algebra or basic computational skills. Proportional reasoning, angle measurement, similar triangles...it's all just algebra.

The kids who claim to not like geometry but don't mind algebra just don't know how to set up the equation from the diagram.

My geometry class in high school was a lot of proofs and constructions, but that is no longer part of the (standard) geometry curriculum. Our honors classes still do proofs, but the gen ed ones don't beyond the bare minimum (steps are listed, students have to justify the logic behind them)

I would assume that anyone crazy enough to consider Geometry over the summer is talking about Honors Geometry and that is full of proofs and constructions (at least that’s what DD dealt with).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

For a kid who is both interested in math AND good at math, Geometry in the summer usually facilitates taking a more advanced math class in their senior year. In turn, this can both (a) improve the admission lottery chances into a college STEM program & (b) better prepare the student for math in college. As a bonus, it sometimes reduces “learning loss” between the regular school year Algebra courses, because they do not discontinue algebra studies for 12 months.

Neither does a student who takes geometry during the school year. Geometry is just applied algebra. Finding angle measurements, finding sides of triangles...it's just equations, systems of equations, simplifying radicals. Algebra.

Nope, not at all, seems you didn't learn geometry very well in school.

You are confusing synthetic geometry with analytic geometry.

NP (I teach both geometry and algebra 2) - the PP is actually completely correct. The way the geometry standards are written in Virginia, it is nearly all just applied algebra. There's a tiny bit of trig (which then involves solving simple equations), and a halfway glance at proofs (barely), but there's not much else that isn't algebra or basic computational skills. Proportional reasoning, angle measurement, similar triangles...it's all just algebra.

The kids who claim to not like geometry but don't mind algebra just don't know how to set up the equation from the diagram.

My geometry class in high school was a lot of proofs and constructions, but that is no longer part of the (standard) geometry curriculum. Our honors classes still do proofs, but the gen ed ones don't beyond the bare minimum (steps are listed, students have to justify the logic behind them)

I would assume that anyone crazy enough to consider Geometry over the summer is talking about Honors Geometry and that is full of proofs and constructions (at least that’s what DD dealt with).

Even honors geometry barely has constructions now (and the ones it does have are all digital)

[Anonymous]

My child has done it before, and to be honest, it actually only takes 2.5-7 hours. There's usually 2 quizes and 1 test per day to be taken and then 2 lessons that students will need to review over for the next class, where the teacher will go over the concepts. In addition, if you are worried about standardized test scores or overall grades, it definitely will pack a punch, because my student usually gets 97+ but he only got 94.1 mainly because of the final exam and 540-ish on the SOL.

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Anonymous wrote:Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

For a kid who is both interested in math AND good at math, Geometry in the summer usually facilitates taking a more advanced math class in their senior year. In turn, this can both (a) improve the admission lottery chances into a college STEM program & (b) better prepare the student for math in college. As a bonus, it sometimes reduces “learning loss” between the regular school year Algebra courses, because they do not discontinue algebra studies for 12 months.

Neither does a student who takes geometry during the school year. Geometry is just applied algebra. Finding angle measurements, finding sides of triangles...it's just equations, systems of equations, simplifying radicals. Algebra.

Don’t they have to complete proofs? Do they memorize all of the theorems and postulates anymore? This type of geometry sounds like what we did in 6th grade-finding a side of a triangle!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

For a kid who is both interested in math AND good at math, Geometry in the summer usually facilitates taking a more advanced math class in their senior year. In turn, this can both (a) improve the admission lottery chances into a college STEM program & (b) better prepare the student for math in college. As a bonus, it sometimes reduces “learning loss” between the regular school year Algebra courses, because they do not discontinue algebra studies for 12 months.

This is about right.

Without taking summer geometry you can still take BC Calc junior year and Multivariable Calculus and Linear Algebra or Differential Equations senior year. There aren't that many kids who need to go beyond that in HS and FCPS isn't equipped to teach beyond that any way.

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Anonymous wrote:Dont understand who would subject their kid to that. what's the point?

For a kid who is both interested in math AND good at math, Geometry in the summer usually facilitates taking a more advanced math class in their senior year. In turn, this can both (a) improve the admission lottery chances into a college STEM program & (b) better prepare the student for math in college. As a bonus, it sometimes reduces “learning loss” between the regular school year Algebra courses, because they do not discontinue algebra studies for 12 months.

Neither does a student who takes geometry during the school year. Geometry is just applied algebra. Finding angle measurements, finding sides of triangles...it's just equations, systems of equations, simplifying radicals. Algebra.

Don’t they have to complete proofs? Do they memorize all of the theorems and postulates anymore? This type of geometry sounds like what we did in 6th grade-finding a side of a triangle!

Yes, they still do proofs and memorize theorems.