Florida- No Charges for Firing 30 Shots at Pool Cleaner

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was found totally lawful. Firing 30 rounds at someone in your pool deck without any sort of warning or attempt at identification. It’s shoot first, ask questions later mentality down there.

I don’t disagree that it wasn’t a good business practice for this guy to show up so late. But my God, he almost got his head blown off for it. Why anyone wants to live somewhere that allows this is beyond me.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2023/06/27/florida-pool-cleaner-shot-dunedin/70359677007/

I don't care where this happened, if you show up at 9pm unannounced to someone's home, fail to identify yourself after several attempts by the homeowner well that alone should be "totally UNlawful". No one knows what history these homeowners have with intruders in the past or suspicious and unlawful activity in the neighborhood, so they had every right to be frightened. They're lucky they didn't actually hit the guy, but that guy should lose his job. He's a dumbass and a liability.

No matter how frightened you are, shooting someone who is not putting your life in immanent danger is never the right call.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you not read the article? He showed up unannounced at 9pm and he ignored the homeowners’ demands that he go away. This isn’t at all like some of the other shootings by homeowners in the news.

The homeowner was yelling from inside the house. Outside service workers know better than to get involved in whatever insanity is happening inside the house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This was found totally lawful. Firing 30 rounds at someone in your pool deck without any sort of warning or attempt at identification. It’s shoot first, ask questions later mentality down there.

I don’t disagree that it wasn’t a good business practice for this guy to show up so late. But my God, he almost got his head blown off for it. Why anyone wants to live somewhere that allows this is beyond me.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2023/06/27/florida-pool-cleaner-shot-dunedin/70359677007/

Where do you come up with 30 rounds? The article says two then “several.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was found totally lawful. Firing 30 rounds at someone in your pool deck without any sort of warning or attempt at identification. It’s shoot first, ask questions later mentality down there.

I don’t disagree that it wasn’t a good business practice for this guy to show up so late. But my God, he almost got his head blown off for it. Why anyone wants to live somewhere that allows this is beyond me.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2023/06/27/florida-pool-cleaner-shot-dunedin/70359677007/

I don't care where this happened, if you show up at 9pm unannounced to someone's home, fail to identify yourself after several attempts by the homeowner well that alone should be "totally UNlawful". No one knows what history these homeowners have with intruders in the past or suspicious and unlawful activity in the neighborhood, so they had every right to be frightened. They're lucky they didn't actually hit the guy, but that guy should lose his job. He's a dumbass and a liability.

I'll explain this very slowly...

If you are afraid of someone walking onto your property, the correct course of action is to refrain from paying that person money to come onto your property.

+1 I grew up in FL and it’s very common for the pool maintenance guy to just come into your pool area unannounced. With random summer storms, it is not always at the same time. I remember as a kid being woken up by our dog barking at the pool guy on our patio at 7 am. Yeah 9 at night is on the late side of things, but I’ve definitely seen ours out there at dusk before.

If you know you have hired someone to come into your patio area to maintain your pool, then you should be aware of that.

Recently Dominion Power came to my house without any notice at all to trim some trees, and I hadn’t even hired them nor given them express permission. Guess if I was in FL I could have shot at them without consequence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was found totally lawful. Firing 30 rounds at someone in your pool deck without any sort of warning or attempt at identification. It’s shoot first, ask questions later mentality down there.

I don’t disagree that it wasn’t a good business practice for this guy to show up so late. But my God, he almost got his head blown off for it. Why anyone wants to live somewhere that allows this is beyond me.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2023/06/27/florida-pool-cleaner-shot-dunedin/70359677007/

Where do you come up with 30 rounds? The article says two then “several.”

Sorry it was from a different article. But it was 30 rounds in 90 seconds. Imagine living next door to that. What if you had older kids outside enjoying the summer evening? It’s a miracle no one got hurt.

https://people.com/man-accused-of-firing-30-rounds-at-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-wont-face-charges-7553717

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was found totally lawful. Firing 30 rounds at someone in your pool deck without any sort of warning or attempt at identification. It’s shoot first, ask questions later mentality down there.

I don’t disagree that it wasn’t a good business practice for this guy to show up so late. But my God, he almost got his head blown off for it. Why anyone wants to live somewhere that allows this is beyond me.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2023/06/27/florida-pool-cleaner-shot-dunedin/70359677007/

I don't care where this happened, if you show up at 9pm unannounced to someone's home, fail to identify yourself after several attempts by the homeowner well that alone should be "totally UNlawful". No one knows what history these homeowners have with intruders in the past or suspicious and unlawful activity in the neighborhood, so they had every right to be frightened. They're lucky they didn't actually hit the guy, but that guy should lose his job. He's a dumbass and a liability.

No matter how frightened you are, shooting someone who is not putting your life in immanent danger is never the right call.

They’re not required to wait until he pulls out a gun before firing! Castle doctrines are meant for this and this doesn’t seem like a good news story for condemning them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you not read the article? He showed up unannounced at 9pm and he ignored the homeowners’ demands that he go away. This isn’t at all like some of the other shootings by homeowners in the news.

The homeowner was yelling from inside the house. Outside service workers know better than to get involved in whatever insanity is happening inside the house.

I agree with PP he was probably wearing ear buds and wasn't aware.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was found totally lawful. Firing 30 rounds at someone in your pool deck without any sort of warning or attempt at identification. It’s shoot first, ask questions later mentality down there.

I don’t disagree that it wasn’t a good business practice for this guy to show up so late. But my God, he almost got his head blown off for it. Why anyone wants to live somewhere that allows this is beyond me.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2023/06/27/florida-pool-cleaner-shot-dunedin/70359677007/

Where do you come up with 30 rounds? The article says two then “several.”

Sorry it was from a different article. But it was 30 rounds in 90 seconds. Imagine living next door to that. What if you had older kids outside enjoying the summer evening? It’s a miracle no one got hurt.

https://people.com/man-accused-of-firing-30-rounds-at-pool-cleaner-he-thought-was-intruder-wont-face-charges-7553717

Sadly, one influence in this kind of behavior is the many news videos of law enforcement personnel essentially laying down suppressive fire, despite how reckless it is.

[Anonymous]

Did they even look out front to see if there was a pool maintenance company truck parked on the street? JFC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was found totally lawful. Firing 30 rounds at someone in your pool deck without any sort of warning or attempt at identification. It’s shoot first, ask questions later mentality down there.

I don’t disagree that it wasn’t a good business practice for this guy to show up so late. But my God, he almost got his head blown off for it. Why anyone wants to live somewhere that allows this is beyond me.

https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/2023/06/27/florida-pool-cleaner-shot-dunedin/70359677007/

I don't care where this happened, if you show up at 9pm unannounced to someone's home, fail to identify yourself after several attempts by the homeowner well that alone should be "totally UNlawful". No one knows what history these homeowners have with intruders in the past or suspicious and unlawful activity in the neighborhood, so they had every right to be frightened. They're lucky they didn't actually hit the guy, but that guy should lose his job. He's a dumbass and a liability.

I'll explain this very slowly...

If you are afraid of someone walking onto your property, the correct course of action is to refrain from paying that person money to come onto your property.

+1 Also at 9 pm last week it was probably still light out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you not read the article? He showed up unannounced at 9pm and he ignored the homeowners’ demands that he go away. This isn’t at all like some of the other shootings by homeowners in the news.

Why wouldn’t locking the doors, calling 911, and maybe firing 1 warning shot be sufficient. The guy didn’t try to come inside the home. Continuing to fire 30 rounds is reckless. What if a bullet had sprayed into a neighbor’s yard and hit a bystander. Sorry, but I just don’t think an AR—15 needs to be shot this many times in a residential area.

And I’ll add I’m way more scared of these vigilante gun owners who aren’t scared to spray gunfire when they feel threatened than I am an intruder. It’s called an alarm system. Or get a big dog.

Don't be prowling around homes at 9pm and you'll be ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you not read the article? He showed up unannounced at 9pm and he ignored the homeowners’ demands that he go away. This isn’t at all like some of the other shootings by homeowners in the news.

Why wouldn’t locking the doors, calling 911, and maybe firing 1 warning shot be sufficient. The guy didn’t try to come inside the home. Continuing to fire 30 rounds is reckless. What if a bullet had sprayed into a neighbor’s yard and hit a bystander. Sorry, but I just don’t think an AR—15 needs to be shot this many times in a residential area.

And I’ll add I’m way more scared of these vigilante gun owners who aren’t scared to spray gunfire when they feel threatened than I am an intruder. It’s called an alarm system. Or get a big dog.

Don't be prowling around homes at 9pm and you'll be ok.

Well I don’t “prowl” around homes, but I do live in close proximity to neighbors. And if someone right on the other side of my fence started emptying a mag with no aim, I certainly wouldn’t want to be caught in the crossfire because my family decided to have a BBQ or play outside on a random summer evening. I have no interest in living in a freaking war zone because someone wants to show off their stupid hobby.

[Anonymous]

Someone was shot for turning around in the wrong driveway in NY state. Shot for knocking on the wrong door in Kansas City and also another guy same thing in North Carolina.

I think we all know that these incidents are certainly not happening just in Florida.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you not read the article? He showed up unannounced at 9pm and he ignored the homeowners’ demands that he go away. This isn’t at all like some of the other shootings by homeowners in the news.

Why wouldn’t locking the doors, calling 911, and maybe firing 1 warning shot be sufficient. The guy didn’t try to come inside the home. Continuing to fire 30 rounds is reckless. What if a bullet had sprayed into a neighbor’s yard and hit a bystander. Sorry, but I just don’t think an AR—15 needs to be shot this many times in a residential area.

And I’ll add I’m way more scared of these vigilante gun owners who aren’t scared to spray gunfire when they feel threatened than I am an intruder. It’s called an alarm system. Or get a big dog.

Don't be prowling around homes at 9pm and you'll be ok.

Well I don’t “prowl” around homes, but I do live in close proximity to neighbors. And if someone right on the other side of my fence started emptying a mag with no aim, I certainly wouldn’t want to be caught in the crossfire because my family decided to have a BBQ or play outside on a random summer evening. I have no interest in living in a freaking war zone because someone wants to show off their stupid hobby.

Get used to it. If law enforcement won’t do their job people will arm themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did you not read the article? He showed up unannounced at 9pm and he ignored the homeowners’ demands that he go away. This isn’t at all like some of the other shootings by homeowners in the news.

Why wouldn’t locking the doors, calling 911, and maybe firing 1 warning shot be sufficient. The guy didn’t try to come inside the home. Continuing to fire 30 rounds is reckless. What if a bullet had sprayed into a neighbor’s yard and hit a bystander. Sorry, but I just don’t think an AR—15 needs to be shot this many times in a residential area.

And I’ll add I’m way more scared of these vigilante gun owners who aren’t scared to spray gunfire when they feel threatened than I am an intruder. It’s called an alarm system. Or get a big dog.

Don't be prowling around homes at 9pm and you'll be ok.

Well I don’t “prowl” around homes, but I do live in close proximity to neighbors. And if someone right on the other side of my fence started emptying a mag with no aim, I certainly wouldn’t want to be caught in the crossfire because my family decided to have a BBQ or play outside on a random summer evening. I have no interest in living in a freaking war zone because someone wants to show off their stupid hobby.

Get used to it. If law enforcement won’t do their job people will arm themselves.

And kill innocent people in the process. Awesome.