AP Lit vs DE English?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only downside to consider when looking at DE: these are college grades that will follow your child for life and will have to be listed and submitted going forward when applying to any college situation including grad school, etc. Make sure your student is going to be successful in them.

I hear that quoted a lot but I don’t understand why it’s true. I took a college class in high school in the 90s. Maybe I submitted the college transcript for my initial college applications. I ended up transferring colleges and all of those transfer credits didn’t affect gpa.

I seriously doubt grad school admissions will care about a DE class grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just adding this b/c the previous posters seem to be unaware of this...

"Dual Enrollment" (DE) is a term that also includes a kid taking courses at NOVA outside of the high school. More specifically, it is called "independent dual enrollement" and you can choose whether you want to have HS credit for it, or not. You pay for the class yourself.

Like all college classes, if things are not going well half way into the course, you can choose to withdraw from the class without a grade (no refund).

Yes, but if the kid is registering thru their high school it is likely a high school based DE class.

Op here and yes this is the case, it’s at his school with a teacher at his school. I honestly think it’s kind of weird because as I said one of the teachers is the same as the AP teacher and the curriculum looks almost identical, same books anyway. But anyway, there’s apparently some sort of extra registration involved with it being DE and it’s too late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just adding this b/c the previous posters seem to be unaware of this...

"Dual Enrollment" (DE) is a term that also includes a kid taking courses at NOVA outside of the high school. More specifically, it is called "independent dual enrollement" and you can choose whether you want to have HS credit for it, or not. You pay for the class yourself.

Like all college classes, if things are not going well half way into the course, you can choose to withdraw from the class without a grade (no refund).

Yes, but if the kid is registering thru their high school it is likely a high school based DE class.

Op here and yes this is the case, it’s at his school with a teacher at his school. I honestly think it’s kind of weird because as I said one of the teachers is the same as the AP teacher and the curriculum looks almost identical, same books anyway. But anyway, there’s apparently some sort of extra registration involved with it being DE and it’s too late.

The curriculum might look similar but AP has to follow College Board and is preparing students to write literary analyses for the AP exam. DE has students doing research writing, college application essays, etc. At least at the high school I teach at that’s the case.

[Anonymous]

I know the advanced Latin at Oakton can be either AP or DE and the class is the same exact class--like, they are all in Period 1 together in the same classroom. I have no idea on curriculum differences. But you did have to select which you wanted at registration time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does DE work? When do you take the class?

You take it at school in your regular schedule. The teacher has to be certified to teach DE and the course is accredited through a Virginia college to get credit . You don’t go to the college campus or do anything else with the college itself.

I don't feel like this was an option at our school. I guess I can check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does DE work? When do you take the class?

You take it at school in your regular schedule. The teacher has to be certified to teach DE and the course is accredited through a Virginia college to get credit . You don’t go to the college campus or do anything else with the college itself.

I don't feel like this was an option at our school. I guess I can check.

You might no be wrong. Not every school offers school-based DE courses. My HS didn’t (granted it was a long time ago). Kids had to drive to the local community college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only downside to consider when looking at DE: these are college grades that will follow your child for life and will have to be listed and submitted going forward when applying to any college situation including grad school, etc. Make sure your student is going to be successful in them.

I hear that quoted a lot but I don’t understand why it’s true. I took a college class in high school in the 90s. Maybe I submitted the college transcript for my initial college applications. I ended up transferring colleges and all of those transfer credits didn’t affect gpa.

I seriously doubt grad school admissions will care about a DE class grade.

New poster: you’re incorrect. Any grad school will ask for, and will consider, all grades from all college classes, regardless when taken.

[Anonymous]

Hi! My DS took DE English two years ago instead of AP Lit in 12th grade.

I too was worried about his admissions chances and the rigor of his courses. Asked a FCPS HS counselor. He wasn’t sure how colleges perceive the difference. DS was insistent he take DE or he was going to take Honors English 12 instead. He’s a math/science kid and did not want AP Lit. Figured DE was better than Honors.

I don’t think it mattered one bit in his college admissions. He was accepted at UVA, VA Tech, Cornell, UCLA, GA Tech, UT Austin, etc. He was WL at Princeton and WL at UPenn.

For what it’s worth, fall of senior is tough. So many essays to write and applications to fill out. I remember he had all nighters. He was a kid who did not miss one day of school freshman to junior year, and missed many days senior year to work on applications. My biggest advice is not AP vs DE but getting working on the applications NOW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know the advanced Latin at Oakton can be either AP or DE and the class is the same exact class--like, they are all in Period 1 together in the same classroom. I have no idea on curriculum differences. But you did have to select which you wanted at registration time.

My DC had the same setup with Honors World History at SLHS.

[Anonymous]

For elite college admissions, pick AP.

Our (very expensive) college counselor advised that AP is generally considered more rigorous than DE. (Except for post-AP classes, such as Linear Algebra)

TJHSST does not offer any DE classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi! My DS took DE English two years ago instead of AP Lit in 12th grade.

I too was worried about his admissions chances and the rigor of his courses. Asked a FCPS HS counselor. He wasn’t sure how colleges perceive the difference. DS was insistent he take DE or he was going to take Honors English 12 instead. He’s a math/science kid and did not want AP Lit. Figured DE was better than Honors.

I don’t think it mattered one bit in his college admissions. He was accepted at UVA, VA Tech, Cornell, UCLA, GA Tech, UT Austin, etc. He was WL at Princeton and WL at UPenn.

For what it’s worth, fall of senior is tough. So many essays to write and applications to fill out. I remember he had all nighters. He was a kid who did not miss one day of school freshman to junior year, and missed many days senior year to work on applications. My biggest advice is not AP vs DE but getting working on the applications NOW.

What was the reasoning for avoiding AP? Didn't want the AP test? It's senior year so wouldn't affect admissions either way (no score early enough).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi! My DS took DE English two years ago instead of AP Lit in 12th grade.

I too was worried about his admissions chances and the rigor of his courses. Asked a FCPS HS counselor. He wasn’t sure how colleges perceive the difference. DS was insistent he take DE or he was going to take Honors English 12 instead. He’s a math/science kid and did not want AP Lit. Figured DE was better than Honors.

I don’t think it mattered one bit in his college admissions. He was accepted at UVA, VA Tech, Cornell, UCLA, GA Tech, UT Austin, etc. He was WL at Princeton and WL at UPenn.

For what it’s worth, fall of senior is tough. So many essays to write and applications to fill out. I remember he had all nighters. He was a kid who did not miss one day of school freshman to junior year, and missed many days senior year to work on applications. My biggest advice is not AP vs DE but getting working on the applications NOW.

What was the reasoning for avoiding AP? Didn't want the AP test? It's senior year so wouldn't affect admissions either way (no score early enough).

He did not want to study for the AP exam, but wanted the potential for college credit. He also wanted the flexibility DE offered. He took the class online through NOVA and I think it was 1 or 2 classes per week. I believe there was a midterm and final in person at Lake Braddock. Due to other APs my son wanted to take he was enrolled in two HSs. He had A day at one school and B day at another school. The DE classes helped align the schedules.