Skipping grade2 math

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Anonymous wrote:DC is in 1st grade. She scored a 160 on the NNAT. Her iready math back in the fall was a 450. I would like her to skip 2nd grade math next year and attend the 3rd grade advanced math class. Should I speak to her teacher, the AART, 9r the principal first? What other evidence should I provide to convince them that she should be skipped? There has been other students in DC's ES that have skipped a grade for math so it's not unprecedented. I'm just not sure how to go about asking.

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OP: the NNAT score is great, but the IReady score is nothing special and will not be an outlier. It’s likely to be considered an average score.

Op here. The iready norms tables I've seen show that 450 is >99%tile for first grade, and >98% for second grade. It's still 80+%tile for 3rd grade. I would say that DC's iready score isn't higher because DC ran into iready questions for which she doesn't have the math vocabulary to answer (i.e. it asked what | -4 | equals to; she never has encountered absolute value). While we are at a high SES ES, DC's teacher has repeatedly said that DC at the top of her class and thanks her repeatedly to helping out her classmates with the math assignments. So things seem to point to her being advanced.

I agree with PPs that the school may not be receptive to putting her in a class that meets her math needs - my question for DCUM is how I can convince the teacher/AART/principal to give her a chance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is in 1st grade. She scored a 160 on the NNAT. Her iready math back in the fall was a 450. I would like her to skip 2nd grade math next year and attend the 3rd grade advanced math class. Should I speak to her teacher, the AART, 9r the principal first? What other evidence should I provide to convince them that she should be skipped? There has been other students in DC's ES that have skipped a grade for math so it's not unprecedented. I'm just not sure how to go about asking.

Thanks

OP: the NNAT score is great, but the IReady score is nothing special and will not be an outlier. It’s likely to be considered an average score.

Op here. The iready norms tables I've seen show that 450 is >99%tile for first grade, and >98% for second grade. It's still 80+%tile for 3rd grade. I would say that DC's iready score isn't higher because DC ran into iready questions for which she doesn't have the math vocabulary to answer (i.e. it asked what | -4 | equals to; she never has encountered absolute value). While we are at a high SES ES, DC's teacher has repeatedly said that DC at the top of her class and thanks her repeatedly to helping out her classmates with the math assignments. So things seem to point to her being advanced.

I agree with PPs that the school may not be receptive to putting her in a class that meets her math needs - my question for DCUM is how I can convince the teacher/AART/principal to give her a chance.

My kid did exactly the skip you want yours to do. He went from 1st grade math in 1st to AAP 3rd grade math in 2nd. I just looked it up because I was curious, and he had a 560 iready math score in the fall of 2nd grade. FCPS is really weird and difficult with grade skipping in math. They want your kid to be 3-4 years ahead to do a single skip.

Iready alone is not sufficient for skipping ahead. If you really think that your child should be skipped, you can have your child tested one-on-one by your school Math Resource Teacher. Unless the teacher agrees that your child is far ahead, it is unlikely that they'll let your kid skip. For my kid, they confirmed through this testing in the middle of 1st grade that my kid knew all of the content through the end of year 4th grade math. He quite possibly knew more, but they stopped testing at that point. They still only offered a single year skip into a class for which they said that he already knew all of the material.

OP, from what you posted, I doubt your child would be close to the level FCPS wants to see to let your child skip ahead a year in math. If you really want to pursue this, I'd bring it up to the classroom teacher, who would likely be able to give you perspective on how your DD's needs would best be met.

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Anonymous wrote:My 5th grade aap son has a 3rd grade pushing into his math class.

That said - I would be surprised if it was something the parent had to ask about. I feel like that’s something the school identifies on their own.

That iready score is not particularly high as far as I can tell. I just pulled out a piece of paper that says 400-490 is on target.

I'm looking at an Iready report for 1st grade and it says that the target window for Fall tests is 347-401 and the window for spring test is 402-496. Are you looking at the Spring target window?

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Anonymous wrote:Op here. Isn't LVIII = math skipping? for 2nd graders, it would be going to 3rd grade for math, which is what I was asking.

We plan to apply for AAP next year, but i wanted to know how to get her in 3rd grade math when she's in 2nd.

For your questions, addition up to 100 is mastered. She knows her multiplication tables except for some 7 & 8s, (although she cheats with her fingers on the 9s). So I think she's ready for 3rd grade Advanced math. But I'm not sure how to convince the school of it.

Memorizing multiplication tables doesn’t indicate a need for advanced math. Her classroom teacher can easily adjust numbers for her in her second grade class.

The real sign of advanced THINKING is whether or not she’s flexible in her approach to problem solving. Can she solve the same problem in multiple ways? Can she explain her thinking with equations to match her explanations?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is in 1st grade. She scored a 160 on the NNAT. Her iready math back in the fall was a 450. I would like her to skip 2nd grade math next year and attend the 3rd grade advanced math class. Should I speak to her teacher, the AART, 9r the principal first? What other evidence should I provide to convince them that she should be skipped? There has been other students in DC's ES that have skipped a grade for math so it's not unprecedented. I'm just not sure how to go about asking.

Thanks

OP: the NNAT score is great, but the IReady score is nothing special and will not be an outlier. It’s likely to be considered an average score.

Op here. The iready norms tables I've seen show that 450 is >99%tile for first grade, and >98% for second grade. It's still 80+%tile for 3rd grade. I would say that DC's iready score isn't higher because DC ran into iready questions for which she doesn't have the math vocabulary to answer (i.e. it asked what | -4 | equals to; she never has encountered absolute value). While we are at a high SES ES, DC's teacher has repeatedly said that DC at the top of her class and thanks her repeatedly to helping out her classmates with the math assignments. So things seem to point to her being advanced.

I agree with PPs that the school may not be receptive to putting her in a class that meets her math needs - my question for DCUM is how I can convince the teacher/AART/principal to give her a chance.

My kid did exactly the skip you want yours to do. He went from 1st grade math in 1st to AAP 3rd grade math in 2nd. I just looked it up because I was curious, and he had a 560 iready math score in the fall of 2nd grade. FCPS is really weird and difficult with grade skipping in math. They want your kid to be 3-4 years ahead to do a single skip.

Iready alone is not sufficient for skipping ahead. If you really think that your child should be skipped, you can have your child tested one-on-one by your school Math Resource Teacher. Unless the teacher agrees that your child is far ahead, it is unlikely that they'll let your kid skip. For my kid, they confirmed through this testing in the middle of 1st grade that my kid knew all of the content through the end of year 4th grade math. He quite possibly knew more, but they stopped testing at that point. They still only offered a single year skip into a class for which they said that he already knew all of the material.

OP, from what you posted, I doubt your child would be close to the level FCPS wants to see to let your child skip ahead a year in math. If you really want to pursue this, I'd bring it up to the classroom teacher, who would likely be able to give you perspective on how your DD's needs would best be met.

Op here - thanks for the informative response. Did you initiate the testing or did the school come to you? Also, may I ask if your DC is at a high SES school? I think ES attitudes seem to be different depending on the SES of the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Op here. Isn't LVIII = math skipping? for 2nd graders, it would be going to 3rd grade for math, which is what I was asking.

We plan to apply for AAP next year, but i wanted to know how to get her in 3rd grade math when she's in 2nd.

For your questions, addition up to 100 is mastered. She knows her multiplication tables except for some 7 & 8s, (although she cheats with her fingers on the 9s). So I think she's ready for 3rd grade Advanced math. But I'm not sure how to convince the school of it.

Don't have an answer to your question but am curious how did you get her to learn multiplication tables. I need tips for my child.

I'm surprised you didn't teach her that for the 9s, you use the "subtract 1, then the digits add up to 9" rule. For example, for 9 x 6, you subtract 1 from 6 (because you know the answer has to be less than 60) to get 5. Then 5 + 4 = 9, so the answer is 54. Have her write the answers to all the 9s and have her see the pattern first. Then reach her the rule. My kids always found the 9s table easier than the 7s and the 8s, so I am impressed that she knows most of the 7s and 8s!

Op here. We used the finger trick for the 9s (hold up all your fingers, close the finger that you're multiplying by).

For multiplication (and all arithmetic), we just incorporated multiplication in our daily lives. e.g. we' handing out M&Ms and ask how many M&Ms are there in each of the 4 people at the table have 5 M&Ms each. I think using arithmetic daily ingrains it into the brain's muscle memory. That's probably why 7s and 8s are so hard - we never find a circumstance where we're multiplying by 7 or 8.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Op here. Isn't LVIII = math skipping? for 2nd graders, it would be going to 3rd grade for math, which is what I was asking.

We plan to apply for AAP next year, but i wanted to know how to get her in 3rd grade math when she's in 2nd.

For your questions, addition up to 100 is mastered. She knows her multiplication tables except for some 7 & 8s, (although she cheats with her fingers on the 9s). So I think she's ready for 3rd grade Advanced math. But I'm not sure how to convince the school of it.

The real sign of advanced THINKING is whether or not she’s flexible in her approach to problem solving. Can she solve the same problem in multiple ways? Can she explain her thinking with equations to match her explanations?

Most graduating 2nd graders can't do this, and they do fine because 3rd grade math doesn't require any of this. It's discriminatory to require an unnecessary level of competence as a roadblock for some kids and only require the necessary skills for others.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is in 1st grade. She scored a 160 on the NNAT. Her iready math back in the fall was a 450. I would like her to skip 2nd grade math next year and attend the 3rd grade advanced math class. Should I speak to her teacher, the AART, 9r the principal first? What other evidence should I provide to convince them that she should be skipped? There has been other students in DC's ES that have skipped a grade for math so it's not unprecedented. I'm just not sure how to go about asking.

Thanks

OP: the NNAT score is great, but the IReady score is nothing special and will not be an outlier. It’s likely to be considered an average score.

Op here. The iready norms tables I've seen show that 450 is >99%tile for first grade, and >98% for second grade. It's still 80+%tile for 3rd grade. I would say that DC's iready score isn't higher because DC ran into iready questions for which she doesn't have the math vocabulary to answer (i.e. it asked what | -4 | equals to; she never has encountered absolute value). While we are at a high SES ES, DC's teacher has repeatedly said that DC at the top of her class and thanks her repeatedly to helping out her classmates with the math assignments. So things seem to point to her being advanced.

I agree with PPs that the school may not be receptive to putting her in a class that meets her math needs - my question for DCUM is how I can convince the teacher/AART/principal to give her a chance.

My kid did exactly the skip you want yours to do. He went from 1st grade math in 1st to AAP 3rd grade math in 2nd. I just looked it up because I was curious, and he had a 560 iready math score in the fall of 2nd grade. FCPS is really weird and difficult with grade skipping in math. They want your kid to be 3-4 years ahead to do a single skip.

Iready alone is not sufficient for skipping ahead. If you really think that your child should be skipped, you can have your child tested one-on-one by your school Math Resource Teacher. Unless the teacher agrees that your child is far ahead, it is unlikely that they'll let your kid skip. For my kid, they confirmed through this testing in the middle of 1st grade that my kid knew all of the content through the end of year 4th grade math. He quite possibly knew more, but they stopped testing at that point. They still only offered a single year skip into a class for which they said that he already knew all of the material.

OP, from what you posted, I doubt your child would be close to the level FCPS wants to see to let your child skip ahead a year in math. If you really want to pursue this, I'd bring it up to the classroom teacher, who would likely be able to give you perspective on how your DD's needs would best be met.

DP. I don't think this is unreasonable. Setting up a student to take calculus in 10th grade (or earlier) is really unnecessary for 99.99% of students. Your DC was ready in 1st grade for a grade skip in math after extensive testing and consideration. While it's possible that OP's DC is also ready, it doesn't sound like it's immediately apparent.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is in 1st grade. She scored a 160 on the NNAT. Her iready math back in the fall was a 450. I would like her to skip 2nd grade math next year and attend the 3rd grade advanced math class. Should I speak to her teacher, the AART, 9r the principal first? What other evidence should I provide to convince them that she should be skipped? There has been other students in DC's ES that have skipped a grade for math so it's not unprecedented. I'm just not sure how to go about asking.

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Was your child’s IReady score from the fall or spring? If it’s from the spring, a 450 score is in the 78th percentile.

OP: the NNAT score is great, but the IReady score is nothing special and will not be an outlier. It’s likely to be considered an average score.

Op here. The iready norms tables I've seen show that 450 is >99%tile for first grade, and >98% for second grade. It's still 80+%tile for 3rd grade. I would say that DC's iready score isn't higher because DC ran into iready questions for which she doesn't have the math vocabulary to answer (i.e. it asked what | -4 | equals to; she never has encountered absolute value). While we are at a high SES ES, DC's teacher has repeatedly said that DC at the top of her class and thanks her repeatedly to helping out her classmates with the math assignments. So things seem to point to her being advanced.

I agree with PPs that the school may not be receptive to putting her in a class that meets her math needs - my question for DCUM is how I can convince the teacher/AART/principal to give her a chance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is in 1st grade. She scored a 160 on the NNAT. Her iready math back in the fall was a 450. I would like her to skip 2nd grade math next year and attend the 3rd grade advanced math class. Should I speak to her teacher, the AART, 9r the principal first? What other evidence should I provide to convince them that she should be skipped? There has been other students in DC's ES that have skipped a grade for math so it's not unprecedented. I'm just not sure how to go about asking.

Thanks

OP: the NNAT score is great, but the IReady score is nothing special and will not be an outlier. It’s likely to be considered an average score.

Op here. The iready norms tables I've seen show that 450 is >99%tile for first grade, and >98% for second grade. It's still 80+%tile for 3rd grade. I would say that DC's iready score isn't higher because DC ran into iready questions for which she doesn't have the math vocabulary to answer (i.e. it asked what | -4 | equals to; she never has encountered absolute value). While we are at a high SES ES, DC's teacher has repeatedly said that DC at the top of her class and thanks her repeatedly to helping out her classmates with the math assignments. So things seem to point to her being advanced.

I agree with PPs that the school may not be receptive to putting her in a class that meets her math needs - my question for DCUM is how I can convince the teacher/AART/principal to give her a chance.

My kid did exactly the skip you want yours to do. He went from 1st grade math in 1st to AAP 3rd grade math in 2nd. I just looked it up because I was curious, and he had a 560 iready math score in the fall of 2nd grade. FCPS is really weird and difficult with grade skipping in math. They want your kid to be 3-4 years ahead to do a single skip.

Iready alone is not sufficient for skipping ahead. If you really think that your child should be skipped, you can have your child tested one-on-one by your school Math Resource Teacher. Unless the teacher agrees that your child is far ahead, it is unlikely that they'll let your kid skip. For my kid, they confirmed through this testing in the middle of 1st grade that my kid knew all of the content through the end of year 4th grade math. He quite possibly knew more, but they stopped testing at that point. They still only offered a single year skip into a class for which they said that he already knew all of the material.

OP, from what you posted, I doubt your child would be close to the level FCPS wants to see to let your child skip ahead a year in math. If you really want to pursue this, I'd bring it up to the classroom teacher, who would likely be able to give you perspective on how your DD's needs would best be met.

DP. I don't think this is unreasonable. Setting up a student to take calculus in 10th grade (or earlier) is really unnecessary for 99.99% of students. Your DC was ready in 1st grade for a grade skip in math after extensive testing and consideration. While it's possible that OP's DC is also ready, it doesn't sound like it's immediately apparent.

You could just as well say setting up a student to take calculus in 12 the or earlier is really unnecessary for 99.99% of students. Both of these statements have a similar (nonexistent) amount of provided evidence to back them up.

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To the parents who said their kids scored a couple of grade levels above in iReady - were your kids naturally "mathie" so they scored above without any prep at home? or are you all supplementing math curriculum at home to support your kids natural math inclination, and thus were able to teach higher level concepts?

Because I know at school, my 1st grader does not get any "challenging" math work.

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Anonymous wrote:To the parents who said their kids scored a couple of grade levels above in iReady - were your kids naturally "mathie" so they scored above without any prep at home? or are you all supplementing math curriculum at home to support your kids natural math inclination, and thus were able to teach higher level concepts?

Because I know at school, my 1st grader does not get any "challenging" math work.

My kid is the one with the 560 iready score at the beginning of 2nd grade. In 1st grade, my kid mostly learned through Dreambox, free math apps, and older siblings. When the math resource teacher tested him, one of the things she observed was that he did not go in knowing all of the material through 4th grade. For some of the concepts, he had not previously learned the material, but grasped it instantly after the teacher gave a very brief explanation. FWIW, he also had a 155 score on the WISC FRI, which is at the ceiling. Even if a kid is several grades above in iready, FCPS wants to be sure that the kid isn't just the product of kumon.

We later supplemented after FCPS jumped my kid ahead, because the grade skip ended up not being enough.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is in 1st grade. She scored a 160 on the NNAT. Her iready math back in the fall was a 450. I would like her to skip 2nd grade math next year and attend the 3rd grade advanced math class. Should I speak to her teacher, the AART, 9r the principal first? What other evidence should I provide to convince them that she should be skipped? There has been other students in DC's ES that have skipped a grade for math so it's not unprecedented. I'm just not sure how to go about asking.

Thanks

OP: the NNAT score is great, but the IReady score is nothing special and will not be an outlier. It’s likely to be considered an average score.

Op here. The iready norms tables I've seen show that 450 is >99%tile for first grade, and >98% for second grade. It's still 80+%tile for 3rd grade. I would say that DC's iready score isn't higher because DC ran into iready questions for which she doesn't have the math vocabulary to answer (i.e. it asked what | -4 | equals to; she never has encountered absolute value). While we are at a high SES ES, DC's teacher has repeatedly said that DC at the top of her class and thanks her repeatedly to helping out her classmates with the math assignments. So things seem to point to her being advanced.

I agree with PPs that the school may not be receptive to putting her in a class that meets her math needs - my question for DCUM is how I can convince the teacher/AART/principal to give her a chance.

My kid did exactly the skip you want yours to do. He went from 1st grade math in 1st to AAP 3rd grade math in 2nd. I just looked it up because I was curious, and he had a 560 iready math score in the fall of 2nd grade. FCPS is really weird and difficult with grade skipping in math. They want your kid to be 3-4 years ahead to do a single skip.

Iready alone is not sufficient for skipping ahead. If you really think that your child should be skipped, you can have your child tested one-on-one by your school Math Resource Teacher. Unless the teacher agrees that your child is far ahead, it is unlikely that they'll let your kid skip. For my kid, they confirmed through this testing in the middle of 1st grade that my kid knew all of the content through the end of year 4th grade math. He quite possibly knew more, but they stopped testing at that point. They still only offered a single year skip into a class for which they said that he already knew all of the material.

OP, from what you posted, I doubt your child would be close to the level FCPS wants to see to let your child skip ahead a year in math. If you really want to pursue this, I'd bring it up to the classroom teacher, who would likely be able to give you perspective on how your DD's needs would best be met.

Op here - thanks for the informative response. Did you initiate the testing or did the school come to you? Also, may I ask if your DC is at a high SES school? I think ES attitudes seem to be different depending on the SES of the school.

I requested the testing. After the testing, we had a conference with the principal and math resource teacher. The principal said that he agreed to test my kid mostly to humor me, with the expectation that my kid would test as smart, but still well served with LII materials. Skipping kids ahead is a logistical nightmare for schools, teachers, and often the students. When my kid pushed up into the 3rd grade AAP classroom, he had to be pulled out of 1 hour of his language arts block every day. He then needed to make up the missed language arts when his regular class was doing math.

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Anonymous wrote:My 5th grade aap son has a 3rd grade pushing into his math class.

That said - I would be surprised if it was something the parent had to ask about. I feel like that’s something the school identifies on their own.

That iready score is not particularly high as far as I can tell. I just pulled out a piece of paper that says 400-490 is on target.

I'm looking at an Iready report for 1st grade and it says that the target window for Fall tests is 347-401 and the window for spring test is 402-496. Are you looking at the Spring target window?

I'm not sure what difference it makes - my opinion - which i believe was sought for is that if your score is anywhere in the range of your grade level - fall or spring - you do not have a strong case for skipping a grade. I don't know why you would want that anyway unless your kid was such a phenom that they were seeking you out to move up. Just wait til 3rd grade for AAP math which skips a year anyway. My 8th grader is in geometry and I just don't really see why anyone would want to be more accelerated than that unless the kid was such a genius no one knew what to do with the kid. Which I guess is the case for the 3rd grader in my 5th grader's class. I think that kid is even good at math compared to the 5th grade AAP class.

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Anonymous wrote:My 5th grade aap son has a 3rd grade pushing into his math class.

That said - I would be surprised if it was something the parent had to ask about. I feel like that’s something the school identifies on their own.

That iready score is not particularly high as far as I can tell. I just pulled out a piece of paper that says 400-490 is on target.

I'm looking at an Iready report for 1st grade and it says that the target window for Fall tests is 347-401 and the window for spring test is 402-496. Are you looking at the Spring target window?

I'm not sure what difference it makes - my opinion - which i believe was sought for is that if your score is anywhere in the range of your grade level - fall or spring - you do not have a strong case for skipping a grade. I don't know why you would want that anyway unless your kid was such a phenom that they were seeking you out to move up. Just wait til 3rd grade for AAP math which skips a year anyway. My 8th grader is in geometry and I just don't really see why anyone would want to be more accelerated than that unless the kid was such a genius no one knew what to do with the kid. Which I guess is the case for the 3rd grader in my 5th grader's class. I think that kid is even good at math compared to the 5th grade AAP class.

As long as they know the math, finishing the usual sequence (through Calc BC) frees up a period for high school students who may want to use that time to either take college level math courses or take another class that may interest them.