ADHD iq / CogAT NNAT test prep vs medication

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This question makes no sense to me. Prepping will not necessarily help a kid with ADHD the point is that they can't focus during the test and no prep will help with that. Medication is the most helpful thing for most with ADHD. If you are worried it is impacting your child, medication not prepping and stressing them out is the choice in my opinion.

If the kid has a hard time focusing, it may help to know what’s coming, in general terms, and relax and help themselves focus.

Everyone will lose focus if a task proves undoable. The point is how much will preping help a person continue to try?

No amount of prepping is going to help a kid "relax and help themselves focus." They cannot do it. Do you not understand what ADHD is? It's a chemical imbalance in the brain. And btw, my kid who scored 142 during neuropsych testing scored a 78 on the NNAT. He literally scored in the 9th percentile so 91% of kids at his school did better than him. No amount of retakes/test-prepping is going to fix the fact that he is proud of how quickly he finished. Parent the kid you have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This question is inspired by an answer on another thread, where kid scored so much higher after on medication.

What if you don’t give medication but do some ‘prepping’, wouldn’t that be the same?

The reasoning I’m using is that if adhd is stopping performance, and adhd is the real reason for this lower performance, why not do some prepping to remediate that? If you’re against meditation that is.

First accept that you are woefully ignorant wrt ADHD. You clearly do not understand the first thing about it.

Google, read then come back and tell us why your post is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point is: if the child could benefit from medication, but you don’t want to give medication, while at the same time you want them to access the curriculum, why not prep instead of giving in to medication? Adhd can mask the iq of affected people by as much as 15+ points.

If the adhd is not holding them back as far as iq, and a test like WISC is hard to ‘game’, what’s the harm?

If you are speaking about your own child, I'm very sad for your child that they have a parent who understands so little about something that will impact their life so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t really understand what you’re asking bc they’re entirely different scenarios. Medicating for ADHD is treating a condition that otherwise might block performance and prevent accurate measure of intellect (I say might bc not all ppl with ADHD will perform differently w/ meds). Prepping is cheating by training for the test and artificially raising score.

Prepping for any kind of test is not cheating. More craziness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This question makes no sense to me. Prepping will not necessarily help a kid with ADHD the point is that they can't focus during the test and no prep will help with that. Medication is the most helpful thing for most with ADHD. If you are worried it is impacting your child, medication not prepping and stressing them out is the choice in my opinion.

If the kid has a hard time focusing, it may help to know what’s coming, in general terms, and relax and help themselves focus.

Everyone will lose focus if a task proves undoable. The point is how much will preping help a person continue to try?

This is another post that shows you don't have a clue about ADHD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Prepping is not cheating. Everyone should be prepping and the tests should accommodate or be resilient to that. Tests that can't are just bad tests (very common).

It's impossible to police accidental "prepping" in the form of *educating a child*.

Some people are very defensive/competitive about medication. If medication improves quality of life and doesn't cause harm, it is "treating" some "condition", regardless of what the constnatly changing DSM says.

Sorry, but you're wrong. Studying for a test at school is fine. Prepping for a test is cheating. No one "studies" for the Cogat, they already know it's against the rules, they just think the rules don't apply to them, or that if they didn't get caught, then they are justified and all the rest are rubes. In the US, that's not our culture. It's not something to be proud of or to brag about.

Against which rules? Can you please provide the rules?

You didn't know about the Cogat PoPo? PP do you know anyone who got caught cheating on the Cogat? Interesting and absolutely crazy about "our culture'. Thanks for the laughs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t really understand what you’re asking bc they’re entirely different scenarios. Medicating for ADHD is treating a condition that otherwise might block performance and prevent accurate measure of intellect (I say might bc not all ppl with ADHD will perform differently w/ meds). Prepping is cheating by training for the test and artificially raising score.

Prepping for any kind of test is not cheating. More craziness.

Prepping for a school subject like math, English, science etc. is not cheating. That’s called studying. Prepping for intelligence tests, like WISC or prepping for cogat/NNAT is absolutely cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This question makes no sense to me. Prepping will not necessarily help a kid with ADHD the point is that they can't focus during the test and no prep will help with that. Medication is the most helpful thing for most with ADHD. If you are worried it is impacting your child, medication not prepping and stressing them out is the choice in my opinion.

If the kid has a hard time focusing, it may help to know what’s coming, in general terms, and relax and help themselves focus.

Everyone will lose focus if a task proves undoable. The point is how much will preping help a person continue to try?

This is another post that shows you don't have a clue about ADHD.

If they are talking about their kid and not some hypothetical, I'm sad for that kid and all the self-esteem/anxiety issues they will likely develop or have developed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t really understand what you’re asking bc they’re entirely different scenarios. Medicating for ADHD is treating a condition that otherwise might block performance and prevent accurate measure of intellect (I say might bc not all ppl with ADHD will perform differently w/ meds). Prepping is cheating by training for the test and artificially raising score.

Prepping for any kind of test is not cheating. More craziness.

Prepping for a school subject like math, English, science etc. is not cheating. That’s called studying. Prepping for intelligence tests, like WISC or prepping for cogat/NNAT is absolutely cheating.

Can you please provide a reputable source that corroborates that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This question makes no sense to me. Prepping will not necessarily help a kid with ADHD the point is that they can't focus during the test and no prep will help with that. Medication is the most helpful thing for most with ADHD. If you are worried it is impacting your child, medication not prepping and stressing them out is the choice in my opinion.

If the kid has a hard time focusing, it may help to know what’s coming, in general terms, and relax and help themselves focus.

Everyone will lose focus if a task proves undoable. The point is how much will preping help a person continue to try?

This is another post that shows you don't have a clue about ADHD.

If they are talking about their kid and not some hypothetical, I'm sad for that kid and all the self-esteem/anxiety issues they will likely develop or have developed.

So do you suggest meditation?

Do you know the long term effects of medication?

Heart disease
High blood pressure
Seizure
Irregular heartbeat
Abuse and addiction
Skin discolorations

https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/long-term-risks-adhd-medications#:~:text=Side%20effects%20and%20risks%20associated,Seizure


You are more inclined to have those effects so you get a better performance, but you’re against prepping for better performance?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This question makes no sense to me. Prepping will not necessarily help a kid with ADHD the point is that they can't focus during the test and no prep will help with that. Medication is the most helpful thing for most with ADHD. If you are worried it is impacting your child, medication not prepping and stressing them out is the choice in my opinion.

If the kid has a hard time focusing, it may help to know what’s coming, in general terms, and relax and help themselves focus.

Everyone will lose focus if a task proves undoable. The point is how much will preping help a person continue to try?

This is another post that shows you don't have a clue about ADHD.

If they are talking about their kid and not some hypothetical, I'm sad for that kid and all the self-esteem/anxiety issues they will likely develop or have developed.

So do you suggest meditation?

Do you know the long term effects of medication?

Heart disease
High blood pressure
Seizure
Irregular heartbeat
Abuse and addiction
Skin discolorations

https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/long-term-risks-adhd-medications#:~:text=Side%20effects%20and%20risks%20associated,Seizure


You are more inclined to have those effects so you get a better performance, but you’re against prepping for better performance?!

The Cogat and NNAT are interesting fun tests. Lots of kids with ADHD do fine on them without meds (or prepping). You're a solution in search of a problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This question makes no sense to me. Prepping will not necessarily help a kid with ADHD the point is that they can't focus during the test and no prep will help with that. Medication is the most helpful thing for most with ADHD. If you are worried it is impacting your child, medication not prepping and stressing them out is the choice in my opinion.

If the kid has a hard time focusing, it may help to know what’s coming, in general terms, and relax and help themselves focus.

Everyone will lose focus if a task proves undoable. The point is how much will preping help a person continue to try?

This is another post that shows you don't have a clue about ADHD.

If they are talking about their kid and not some hypothetical, I'm sad for that kid and all the self-esteem/anxiety issues they will likely develop or have developed.

So do you suggest meditation?

Do you know the long term effects of medication?

Heart disease
High blood pressure
Seizure
Irregular heartbeat
Abuse and addiction
Skin discolorations

https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/long-term-risks-adhd-medications#:~:text=Side%20effects%20and%20risks%20associated,Seizure


You are more inclined to have those effects so you get a better performance, but you’re against prepping for better performance?!

I can play Google too. https://www.thetribune.ca/sci-tech/webmd-is-not-all-its-cracked-up-to-be-08112022/

I could also post numerous peer reviewed studies that show there are no proven long term side effects of medication but I'm not about getting into a citation war w/you. Go on with your anti-medication nuttery and allow your child to suffer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This question makes no sense to me. Prepping will not necessarily help a kid with ADHD the point is that they can't focus during the test and no prep will help with that. Medication is the most helpful thing for most with ADHD. If you are worried it is impacting your child, medication not prepping and stressing them out is the choice in my opinion.

If the kid has a hard time focusing, it may help to know what’s coming, in general terms, and relax and help themselves focus.

Everyone will lose focus if a task proves undoable. The point is how much will preping help a person continue to try?

This is another post that shows you don't have a clue about ADHD.

If they are talking about their kid and not some hypothetical, I'm sad for that kid and all the self-esteem/anxiety issues they will likely develop or have developed.

So do you suggest meditation?

Do you know the long term effects of medication?

Heart disease
High blood pressure
Seizure
Irregular heartbeat
Abuse and addiction
Skin discolorations

https://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/long-term-risks-adhd-medications#:~:text=Side%20effects%20and%20risks%20associated,Seizure


You are more inclined to have those effects so you get a better performance, but you’re against prepping for better performance?!

I can play Google too. https://www.thetribune.ca/sci-tech/webmd-is-not-all-its-cracked-up-to-be-08112022/

I could also post numerous peer reviewed studies that show there are no proven long term side effects of medication but I'm not about getting into a citation war w/you. Go on with your anti-medication nuttery and allow your child to suffer.

So since your article likes the Mayo Clinic better, here you go:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/adhd/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20350895


Stimulant medications and certain health risks

Some research indicates that using ADHD stimulant medications with certain heart problems may be a concern, and the risk of certain psychiatric symptoms may be increased when using stimulant medications.

Heart problems. Stimulant medication may cause an increased blood pressure or heart rate, but the increased risk of serious adverse effects or sudden death is still unproved. However, the doctor should evaluate your child for any heart condition or family history of heart disease before prescribing a stimulant medication and monitor your child during stimulant use.
Psychiatric problems. Stimulant medications may rarely increase the risk for agitation or psychotic or manic symptoms with stimulant medications use. Contact the doctor immediately if your child has sudden new or worsening behavior or sees or hears things that aren't real while taking stimulant medication.
Other medications

Other medications that may be effective in treating ADHD include:

Atomoxetine (Strattera)
Antidepressants such as bupropion (Wellbutrin SR, Wellbutrin XL, others)
Guanfacine (Intuniv)
Clonidine (Catapres, Kapvay)
Atomoxetine and antidepressants work slower than stimulants do and may take several weeks before they take full effect. These may be good options if your child can't take stimulants because of health problems or if stimulants cause severe side effects.

Suicide risk

Although it remains unproved, concerns have been raised that there may be a slightly increased risk of suicidal thinking in children and teenagers taking nonstimulant ADHD medication or antidepressants. Contact your child's doctor if you notice any signs of suicidal thinking or other signs of depression.

[Anonymous]

https://assets.ctfassets.net/7w6sr63p7oc4/4Tv7ZotpnbTgY5whsJov0q/66e0fc543893fb8e449179909326748d/strattera01.pdf

In study population:

5/1300 short-term (within 4months) suicidal ideation among ages 7-12 taking Straterra. 1/1300 suicide attempt (not completed).

0 among 13+ and placebo of all ages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t really understand what you’re asking bc they’re entirely different scenarios. Medicating for ADHD is treating a condition that otherwise might block performance and prevent accurate measure of intellect (I say might bc not all ppl with ADHD will perform differently w/ meds). Prepping is cheating by training for the test and artificially raising score.

Prepping for any kind of test is not cheating. More craziness.

Prepping for a school subject like math, English, science etc. is not cheating. That’s called studying. Prepping for intelligence tests, like WISC or prepping for cogat/NNAT is absolutely cheating.

Can you please provide a reputable source that corroborates that?

If your kid has to prep for this test they aren’t truly gifted and do not belong in the program.