United Methodist Church split

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“The grass withers, the flower fades, but the Word of our God stands forever” (Isaiah 40:8).

His laws and commandments don't change.

(Malachi 3:6) “For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.”

As God does not change (Malachi 3:6), so His Word also cannot be altered by the passage of time.

(Hebrews 13:8) “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

God is the same always and never ever changes. He is always good, always loving, always all-powerful. No matter how this world changes around us, we can trust God is consistent. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelation 22: 13)

People who whine that Christianity needs updating do not understand God.

We get it; you want to do things that God doesn’t like and have His approval. But it doesn’t work like that. There are organizations and groups and people that will validate you no matter what. Christianity is not about validation. It’s about salvation.

God (of both the OT and the NT - same god) doesn't update things until and unless he wants to. He's not human, always looking to improve things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The grass withers, the flower fades, but the Word of our God stands forever” (Isaiah 40:8).

His laws and commandments don't change.

(Malachi 3:6) “For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.”

As God does not change (Malachi 3:6), so His Word also cannot be altered by the passage of time.

(Hebrews 13:8) “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

God is the same always and never ever changes. He is always good, always loving, always all-powerful. No matter how this world changes around us, we can trust God is consistent. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelation 22: 13)

People who whine that Christianity needs updating do not understand God.

We get it; you want to do things that God doesn’t like and have His approval. But it doesn’t work like that. There are organizations and groups and people that will validate you no matter what. Christianity is not about validation. It’s about salvation.

God (of both the OT and the NT - same god) doesn't update things until and unless he wants to. He's not human, always looking to improve things.

If so, what does this say about all the various religions of the world?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The grass withers, the flower fades, but the Word of our God stands forever” (Isaiah 40:8).

His laws and commandments don't change.

(Malachi 3:6) “For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.”

As God does not change (Malachi 3:6), so His Word also cannot be altered by the passage of time.

(Hebrews 13:8) “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

God is the same always and never ever changes. He is always good, always loving, always all-powerful. No matter how this world changes around us, we can trust God is consistent. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelation 22: 13)

People who whine that Christianity needs updating do not understand God.

We get it; you want to do things that God doesn’t like and have His approval. But it doesn’t work like that. There are organizations and groups and people that will validate you no matter what. Christianity is not about validation. It’s about salvation.

God (of both the OT and the NT - same god) doesn't update things until and unless he wants to. He's not human, always looking to improve things.

If so, what does this say about all the various religions of the world?

Seems like either god wants it that way, or it's all bunk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The grass withers, the flower fades, but the Word of our God stands forever” (Isaiah 40:8).

His laws and commandments don't change.

(Malachi 3:6) “For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.”

As God does not change (Malachi 3:6), so His Word also cannot be altered by the passage of time.

(Hebrews 13:8) “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

God is the same always and never ever changes. He is always good, always loving, always all-powerful. No matter how this world changes around us, we can trust God is consistent. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelation 22: 13)

People who whine that Christianity needs updating do not understand God.

We get it; you want to do things that God doesn’t like and have His approval. But it doesn’t work like that. There are organizations and groups and people that will validate you no matter what. Christianity is not about validation. It’s about salvation.

God (of both the OT and the NT - same god) doesn't update things until and unless he wants to. He's not human, always looking to improve things.

If so, what does this say about all the various religions of the world?

Seems like either god wants it that way, or it's all bunk.

Most religions developed separately from each other, in different parts of the world, centuries ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t the same thing just happen with Presbyterians?

No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn’t the same thing just happen with Presbyterians?

similar -- the conservatives and liberals broke up.

[Anonymous]

Chesterbook UMC in Fairfax County reportedly is being sold and converted into a school.

[Anonymous]

So, if I'm driving by a church or looking on a website, what do I look for to tell me they are okay with LGBTQ?

Is United Methodist Church the one going conservative, or going progressive?

[Anonymous]

The UMC is the liberal one. In Texas and many parts of the south, the conservative Methodist churches will be joining the Global Methodist Church (don’t worry if you’ve never heard of it, it’s new).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“The grass withers, the flower fades, but the Word of our God stands forever” (Isaiah 40:8).

His laws and commandments don't change.

(Malachi 3:6) “For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.”

As God does not change (Malachi 3:6), so His Word also cannot be altered by the passage of time.

(Hebrews 13:8) “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

God is the same always and never ever changes. He is always good, always loving, always all-powerful. No matter how this world changes around us, we can trust God is consistent. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelation 22: 13)

People who whine that Christianity needs updating do not understand God.

We get it; you want to do things that God doesn’t like and have His approval. But it doesn’t work like that. There are organizations and groups and people that will validate you no matter what. Christianity is not about validation. It’s about salvation.

God is love still accurate?

[Anonymous]

The Methodist Church in Africa is very conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, if I'm driving by a church or looking on a website, what do I look for to tell me they are okay with LGBTQ?
Is United Methodist Church the one going conservative, or going progressive?

The rainbow flag outside many churches might be a clue on those churches’ stance…

[Anonymous]

CBS News recently reported that about 20% of current UMC congregations are departing for the new GMC. In some areas only a few congregations are leaving UMC for the GMC, but in other areas nearly all are leaving. The UMC has a concept which they call a “light house congregation”, to try to retain a presence in areas where most/all congregations are leaving the UMC for the GMC. Reportedly, a planned 2024 UMC General Conference will discuss an orderly departure program for congregations which want to leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, if I'm driving by a church or looking on a website, what do I look for to tell me they are okay with LGBTQ?
Is United Methodist Church the one going conservative, or going progressive?

The rainbow flag outside many churches might be a clue on those churches’ stance…

You can also look them up on the Reconciling Ministries website: https://rmnetwork.org/
Those are congregations who have been working for full participation of LGBTQ+ people in the UMC.

[Anonymous]

You can also see if there is a sign which says, "All are Welcome and All Means All." Many reconciling congregations are putting up these signs. I really hope that they follow through on the lighthouse concept. We have heard from Methodists that we know that regular individuals in congregations found themselves confronted with members who showed up to vote for exit who don't even regularly participate.

One could say that those people were waiting for a choice, but one could also say that they were never keen to be in a church family to begin with.

There are a number of Reconciling Methodists facebook pages which have emerged, but they are mostly private so they don't get dumped on. (My spouse went to a Methodist seminary, but is clergy in another denomination.)