Is Long Course Season more difficult?

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We are doing Long Course Season for the first time. We have been swimming short course for three years. What are the differences in PVS? Besides that fact that it is very short (why is that?) and there seem to be less swimmers.

We have been swimming? Do the coaches let all the mommies in the pool or just you?

You sound like a jerk. I say “we” as well since I work every meet as an official and view it as a family thing.

Since you are an official, ask the other officials how LC season goes in your area. What kind of official are you? If you are on the deck, I would say LC is long. Lots of strokes to watch. And if it’s outdoor, wear lots of sunscreen.

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We are doing Long Course Season for the first time. We have been swimming short course for three years. What are the differences in PVS? Besides that fact that it is very short (why is that?) and there seem to be less swimmers.

We have been swimming? Do the coaches let all the mommies in the pool or just you?

You sound like a jerk. I say “we” as well since I work every meet as an official and view it as a family thing.

Since you are an official, ask the other officials how LC season goes in your area. What kind of official are you? If you are on the deck, I would say LC is long. Lots of strokes to watch. And if it’s outdoor, wear lots of sunscreen.

I think there are several different posters here and one angry one.

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We are doing Long Course Season for the first time. We have been swimming short course for three years. What are the differences in PVS? Besides that fact that it is very short (why is that?) and there seem to be less swimmers.

We have been swimming? Do the coaches let all the mommies in the pool or just you?

You sound like a jerk. I say “we” as well since I work every meet as an official and view it as a family thing.

Since you are an official, ask the other officials how LC season goes in your area. What kind of official are you? If you are on the deck, I would say LC is long. Lots of strokes to watch. And if it’s outdoor, wear lots of sunscreen.

I think there are several different posters here and one angry one.

Wasn’t this OP who got attacked for saying “we” and then explained they are an official so they go to all the meets? Officials are way more knowledgeable about USA swimming than regular swim parents, so I suggested they should ask their official friends. I’m training to be an official after 6 years of being a regular swim parent who only timed, and I had no idea swim meets were so complicated

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Anonymous wrote:i'm not imx parent, but i do think imx is a great meet and there should be a longcourse version of it. for as challenging as 200 fly is, the sooner you can get a young kid experience in that event, the better

Huh? The IMX event doesn’t include 200 fly until age 13. My kid’s club does compete in IMX through age 14, and those will probably be the only times my breaststroker does the 200 fly. There is zero need for her to do the 200 fly, the 50 and 100 yes because she also is a good IMer, but not the 200. That’s also an event that’s rough on shoulders, our site of a big club doesn’t have kids do it generally until age 11 or 12.

every kid fears 200 fly, if we start kids on that event when they are younger, they'll get over that fear factor sooner

Or they’ll have a terrible, unprepared experience and hate it forever.

My kid’s best event is 200 fly, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to suffer through him doing 200 breast.

Our group doesn’t do IMX once they hit middle school group, so there has been no time/reason to use a meet entry on 200 breast or back for my kid.

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Anonymous wrote:i'm not imx parent, but i do think imx is a great meet and there should be a longcourse version of it. for as challenging as 200 fly is, the sooner you can get a young kid experience in that event, the better

Huh? The IMX event doesn’t include 200 fly until age 13. My kid’s club does compete in IMX through age 14, and those will probably be the only times my breaststroker does the 200 fly. There is zero need for her to do the 200 fly, the 50 and 100 yes because she also is a good IMer, but not the 200. That’s also an event that’s rough on shoulders, our site of a big club doesn’t have kids do it generally until age 11 or 12.

every kid fears 200 fly, if we start kids on that event when they are younger, they'll get over that fear factor sooner

Or they’ll have a terrible, unprepared experience and hate it forever.

My kid’s best event is 200 fly, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to suffer through him doing 200 breast.

Our group doesn’t do IMX once they hit middle school group, so there has been no time/reason to use a meet entry on 200 breast or back for my kid.

I do think IMX loses its utility after age 12 because the 200s of each stroke are just not something every kid needs to do in competition.

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Anonymous wrote:Some swimmers do better in long course because there are less turns. The meets can be brutally long because pools can only run one set of races at a time, instead of running two sets simultaneously like some do in short course. Strength is a factor but the swimmers get stronger.

So it tends to be older and stronger kids for long course? How long do the Championship meets run? Also, why are their State Champ meets? What does that mean?

Plenty of 10 and unders swim long course. Some opt out for different reasons, of course, but there are still young kids there. As far as how long meets run, it depends on the size.

We had a long course meet this weekend with just 12 and unders and only two teams competing and it was 4.5 hours long.

We went to the PAC meet on Saturday and there were some little kids that has no business being the in the water. One kid barely made it across the pool and looked like he was drowning. Held up the meet and slowed it down. Shame on the coach for letting that kid in.

We were not at PAC, but there was another meet with a similar issue. There were 8 and unders doing the 200 free. I’m sorry but that just should not be allowed. The 12&U sessions need to put limits on what events the 8 and unders can do, or have cut times to enter any event other than a 50, otherwise you’re are holding up the whole meet with heats of 6-8 year olds trying to make it through the 200 free, 100 breast, 100 fly and 100 back.

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Anonymous wrote:i'm not imx parent, but i do think imx is a great meet and there should be a longcourse version of it. for as challenging as 200 fly is, the sooner you can get a young kid experience in that event, the better

Huh? The IMX event doesn’t include 200 fly until age 13. My kid’s club does compete in IMX through age 14, and those will probably be the only times my breaststroker does the 200 fly. There is zero need for her to do the 200 fly, the 50 and 100 yes because she also is a good IMer, but not the 200. That’s also an event that’s rough on shoulders, our site of a big club doesn’t have kids do it generally until age 11 or 12.

every kid fears 200 fly, if we start kids on that event when they are younger, they'll get over that fear factor sooner

Or they drown.

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Anonymous wrote:Some swimmers do better in long course because there are less turns. The meets can be brutally long because pools can only run one set of races at a time, instead of running two sets simultaneously like some do in short course. Strength is a factor but the swimmers get stronger.

So it tends to be older and stronger kids for long course? How long do the Championship meets run? Also, why are their State Champ meets? What does that mean?

Plenty of 10 and unders swim long course. Some opt out for different reasons, of course, but there are still young kids there. As far as how long meets run, it depends on the size.

We had a long course meet this weekend with just 12 and unders and only two teams competing and it was 4.5 hours long.

We went to the PAC meet on Saturday and there were some little kids that has no business being the in the water. One kid barely made it across the pool and looked like he was drowning. Held up the meet and slowed it down. Shame on the coach for letting that kid in.

We were not at PAC, but there was another meet with a similar issue. There were 8 and unders doing the 200 free. I’m sorry but that just should not be allowed. The 12&U sessions need to put limits on what events the 8 and unders can do, or have cut times to enter any event other than a 50, otherwise you’re are holding up the whole meet with heats of 6-8 year olds trying to make it through the 200 free, 100 breast, 100 fly and 100 back.

Completely agree. I think that if the kid is not being successful at the mini meets why would you do this to them at a 12&U meet. Sometimes parents push and refuse to listen to their coaches.

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Anonymous wrote:Some swimmers do better in long course because there are less turns. The meets can be brutally long because pools can only run one set of races at a time, instead of running two sets simultaneously like some do in short course. Strength is a factor but the swimmers get stronger.

So it tends to be older and stronger kids for long course? How long do the Championship meets run? Also, why are their State Champ meets? What does that mean?

Plenty of 10 and unders swim long course. Some opt out for different reasons, of course, but there are still young kids there. As far as how long meets run, it depends on the size.

We had a long course meet this weekend with just 12 and unders and only two teams competing and it was 4.5 hours long.

We went to the PAC meet on Saturday and there were some little kids that has no business being the in the water. One kid barely made it across the pool and looked like he was drowning. Held up the meet and slowed it down. Shame on the coach for letting that kid in.

I was there too. I saw a very slow kid but didn’t look like he was drowning imo. This was later in the afternoon. Anyway, it’s the parents who sign their kids up not the coaches. Although I don’t disagree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Some swimmers do better in long course because there are less turns. The meets can be brutally long because pools can only run one set of races at a time, instead of running two sets simultaneously like some do in short course. Strength is a factor but the swimmers get stronger.

So it tends to be older and stronger kids for long course? How long do the Championship meets run? Also, why are their State Champ meets? What does that mean?

Plenty of 10 and unders swim long course. Some opt out for different reasons, of course, but there are still young kids there. As far as how long meets run, it depends on the size.

We had a long course meet this weekend with just 12 and unders and only two teams competing and it was 4.5 hours long.

We went to the PAC meet on Saturday and there were some little kids that has no business being the in the water. One kid barely made it across the pool and looked like he was drowning. Held up the meet and slowed it down. Shame on the coach for letting that kid in.

Pretty sure that kid you're talking about is in 9/10, has a disability, and is also super proud of himself when he makes it across the pool. I love that kid. His enthusiasm is infectious. Don't be a hater.

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Anonymous wrote:Some swimmers do better in long course because there are less turns. The meets can be brutally long because pools can only run one set of races at a time, instead of running two sets simultaneously like some do in short course. Strength is a factor but the swimmers get stronger.

So it tends to be older and stronger kids for long course? How long do the Championship meets run? Also, why are their State Champ meets? What does that mean?

Plenty of 10 and unders swim long course. Some opt out for different reasons, of course, but there are still young kids there. As far as how long meets run, it depends on the size.

We had a long course meet this weekend with just 12 and unders and only two teams competing and it was 4.5 hours long.

We went to the PAC meet on Saturday and there were some little kids that has no business being the in the water. One kid barely made it across the pool and looked like he was drowning. Held up the meet and slowed it down. Shame on the coach for letting that kid in.

Pretty sure that kid you're talking about is in 9/10, has a disability, and is also super proud of himself when he makes it across the pool. I love that kid. His enthusiasm is infectious. Don't be a hater.

I have no idea if the kid has a disability but the guard got out of the chair and was walking the deck out of concern. The kid grabbed the lane line several times and was drowning (legs not up, and head back). I think that swimming long course was pushing past this kids skill set. It was not safe.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some swimmers do better in long course because there are less turns. The meets can be brutally long because pools can only run one set of races at a time, instead of running two sets simultaneously like some do in short course. Strength is a factor but the swimmers get stronger.

So it tends to be older and stronger kids for long course? How long do the Championship meets run? Also, why are their State Champ meets? What does that mean?

Plenty of 10 and unders swim long course. Some opt out for different reasons, of course, but there are still young kids there. As far as how long meets run, it depends on the size.

We had a long course meet this weekend with just 12 and unders and only two teams competing and it was 4.5 hours long.

We went to the PAC meet on Saturday and there were some little kids that has no business being the in the water. One kid barely made it across the pool and looked like he was drowning. Held up the meet and slowed it down. Shame on the coach for letting that kid in.

We were not at PAC, but there was another meet with a similar issue. There were 8 and unders doing the 200 free. I’m sorry but that just should not be allowed. The 12&U sessions need to put limits on what events the 8 and unders can do, or have cut times to enter any event other than a 50, otherwise you’re are holding up the whole meet with heats of 6-8 year olds trying to make it through the 200 free, 100 breast, 100 fly and 100 back.

Completely agree. I think that if the kid is not being successful at the mini meets why would you do this to them at a 12&U meet. Sometimes parents push and refuse to listen to their coaches.

If it’s parents picking the events for their kids, there definitely should be NST cut times for the 8&Us so that the coaches can just say sorry, Larla can’t finish the 200 free in under 4 minutes so she can’t enter it. Parents of 8&Us also need to get a grip, there is no need for your kid to be doing LC 100s of anything other than freestyle. This seems to be more a problem during LC since there doesn’t seem to be LC mini meets, so they just let the little kids swim in the 12&U session.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some swimmers do better in long course because there are less turns. The meets can be brutally long because pools can only run one set of races at a time, instead of running two sets simultaneously like some do in short course. Strength is a factor but the swimmers get stronger.

So it tends to be older and stronger kids for long course? How long do the Championship meets run? Also, why are their State Champ meets? What does that mean?

Plenty of 10 and unders swim long course. Some opt out for different reasons, of course, but there are still young kids there. As far as how long meets run, it depends on the size.

We had a long course meet this weekend with just 12 and unders and only two teams competing and it was 4.5 hours long.

We went to the PAC meet on Saturday and there were some little kids that has no business being the in the water. One kid barely made it across the pool and looked like he was drowning. Held up the meet and slowed it down. Shame on the coach for letting that kid in.

Pretty sure that kid you're talking about is in 9/10, has a disability, and is also super proud of himself when he makes it across the pool. I love that kid. His enthusiasm is infectious. Don't be a hater.

I have no idea if the kid has a disability but the guard got out of the chair and was walking the deck out of concern. The kid grabbed the lane line several times and was drowning (legs not up, and head back). I think that swimming long course was pushing past this kids skill set. It was not safe.

Yeah same kid. He wasn't drowning. He swims like that and occasionally grabs the lane line. Simmer down.