I just realized this about the women leadership at my company

[Anonymous]

At a certain level everyone has the baseline skills and what differentiates people are their people skills, their confidence, and imo most importantly their ability to see the field and position themselves accordingly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At a certain level everyone has the baseline skills and what differentiates people are their people skills, their confidence, and imo most importantly their ability to see the field and position themselves accordingly.

I posted earlier about being in a company which highly prioritized female appearances. It was not the case that a certain level, everyone had baseline skills. Rather, they made the choice to promote both men and women who can sell and do client relations over those with technical skills, resulting in many high-profile disasters and a really bad reputation. Not that there aren't people who can do all of those things, but it's not a huge group and you're going to have to pay a ton for them, and they weren't.

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Anonymous wrote:Who are director or above in more male dominated areas. Not to steal the topic from the other thread, but I noticed that of the women who have made it to higher levels in our company in more male dominated departments, I.e excluding hr and marketing, they are all attractive women in their 30s. One is C level, others are director, senior director and a VP in various areas in tech, engineering and strategy. Their bosses are all men, who were the ones who promoted all these women into their positions.

So my question is is this a coincidence at my company or are attractive and competent women more likely to get promoted by men in male dominated professions than average or less than average and competent women? Do the men realize this or is it subconscious?

I’m also noticing that the same can’t be said about the male leadership in the same areas. While yes they are all groomed and dress nicely, they are not attractive in the same way the women are.

Duh.

But I bet the men are really smart.

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Anonymous wrote:Definitely not true for my Fortune 500 company. The top women are the go getters, pulling in 100 hour workweeks easily. They actually dress rather dowdy and they are definitely not in their 30s, more 50s. I think they are beautiful, but definitely not sexified...

Same here. They aren't even traditionally beautiful. They work their butts off and have put up with a lot of nonsense.

And they aren't 30. My company is big enough that in order to be in a real leadership role with significant responsibility you generally have had a couple of decades of experience.

[Anonymous]

Our CEO is in her early 50s. She’s very attractive and always impeccably dressed and made up. I am sure she works with a consultant to help her and schedules regular beauty appointments. Must be exhausting

[Anonymous]

The true question is. Do they have children and if yes it is known that the husband is the primary caregiver?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our CEO is in her early 50s. She’s very attractive and always impeccably dressed and made up. I am sure she works with a consultant to help her and schedules regular beauty appointments. Must be exhausting

One of my previous boss is in her 50s, her face actually looks identical to when she was 37. The only thing changed was her hair color faded.

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Anonymous wrote:Our CEO is in her early 50s. She’s very attractive and always impeccably dressed and made up. I am sure she works with a consultant to help her and schedules regular beauty appointments. Must be exhausting

One of my previous boss is in her 50s, her face actually looks identical to when she was 37. The only thing changed was her hair color faded.

I really think they not only have to work twice as hard as men but have to work ten times as hard on their appearance.

[Anonymous]

The two woman executives at my company are both in their forties and are very polished. Not stunning, but dress preppy business casual and clearly run/work out a lot. It's similar to men but the men are in their in their 40s, 50s, and 60s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who are director or above in more male dominated areas. Not to steal the topic from the other thread, but I noticed that of the women who have made it to higher levels in our company in more male dominated departments, I.e excluding hr and marketing, they are all attractive women in their 30s. One is C level, others are director, senior director and a VP in various areas in tech, engineering and strategy. Their bosses are all men, who were the ones who promoted all these women into their positions.

So my question is is this a coincidence at my company or are attractive and competent women more likely to get promoted by men in male dominated professions than average or less than average and competent women? Do the men realize this or is it subconscious?

I’m also noticing that the same can’t be said about the male leadership in the same areas. While yes they are all groomed and dress nicely, they are not attractive in the same way the women are.

Saw the same at two prior employers. Attractive and pushy airhead sorority girls. They start sleeping with their bosses and flirting with the rest since they were interns. Then once they rise to a certain level and their looks fade in their 30s, they try to act like serious feminists and worked hard for their positions (yeah, on their backs).

[Anonymous]

I knew a woman who was partner level to 3 male partners at an architecture firm. She was a hot slavic blonde, the 3 men were basically your gray boring men. Her education was very lower tier but her looks likely helped bring in the clients.
That was 10 years ago. Her company was bought out and did not retain her. She moved to another large firm, also in a rainmaker role but that only lasted about 9 months. The current role is as director of a small firm where it's basically her and the other licensed practitioner (she is not licensed to practice).
The slide in professional status paralleled the slide in looks. She is basically aging into a russian babushka - which I think hurt her ability to continue pulling in clients. As she doesn't have practical experience in the field besides pulling in clients, I've wondered where she will eventually end up.

[Anonymous]

Your entire “theory” could have easily fit in the title.

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Anonymous wrote:They blew their way to the top, not surprising.

Disgusting. Nice way to set back the women's movement by decades.

+1 As someone who was accused this is just disgusting. The ironic part in my situation it was all woman accusing me of doing this not the men.

I am at another org now and have moved up very fast, as most of leadership is woman, I have not been accused of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Definitely not true for my Fortune 500 company. The top women are the go getters, pulling in 100 hour workweeks easily. They actually dress rather dowdy and they are definitely not in their 30s, more 50s. I think they are beautiful, but definitely not sexified...

I’m in a Fortune 20 company. Same observation, it’s mostly older women in top ranks and their dowdiness is not looked down upon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our CEO is in her early 50s. She’s very attractive and always impeccably dressed and made up. I am sure she works with a consultant to help her and schedules regular beauty appointments. Must be exhausting

Nah, for those of us who love beauty and fashion, it’s incredibly fun.