Centrist candidates in 2024?

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Anonymous wrote:I will hold my nose and vote for any candidate who will end the proxy war in Ukraine.

There is a war on women right in our own country. End that one first.

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Anonymous wrote:I will hold my nose and vote for any candidate who will end the proxy war in Ukraine.

There is a war on women right in our own country. End that one first.

and children.

[Anonymous]

We should turn our attention to our own domestic policies.

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Anonymous wrote:We should turn our attention to our own domestic policies.

This. I'm an independent and the first priority in my mind is someone who can first and foremost ban assault weapons and institute common sense gun laws. Next has to be figuring out how to finally secure our borders. Which candidate will do that?

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Anonymous wrote:Who is going run as centrist, moderate candidate?

Biden is a centrist, traditional New England liberal. He is not a progressive, he is not Bernie or AOC.

New England? He's from the mid-Atlantic.

Sigh. Do you also think “western liberalism” is about Democrats in California?

Biden liked to make noise about being a folksy working class Democrat from Pennsylvania and Delaware. I am not sure what this has to with "traditional New England liberal." He's no Boston Brahmin nor did he go to elite New England schools nor does he spend notable time in New England.

I've always thought of Biden as a low grade midwit who was lucky rather than accomplished. I can't quite call him a moderate as his stances on many topics aren't exactly moderate (are they his stances or his administration telling him what to do? Who knows). But he is also not a far left progressive.

He's also not popular although he may win reelection solely by not being Donald Trump. But I do know whatever happens in 2024, the Democrats will always hate the Republican candidate and possible Republican president, and the Republicans will always hate the Democratic candidate and Democratic president.

May win? In what universe does trump beat Biden in 2024? Trump will never ever win a national election again.

If you remember your politics, you win the presidency by winning the electoral college, not the popular vote. Given the narrowness of Biden's tiny victories in the handful of states that gave him the electoral college, it remains a distinct possibility Trump can reverse that in 2024. I still do think Biden will defeat Trump in a 2024 matchup based on current conditions, but current conditions are current conditions and who knows what might occur in the next 18 months. A major recession, for example. Ukraine turning into another Vietnam. All that is needed is a small swing in a few states.

I also do think most people do not want either Biden or Trump. But most people also cannot agree with each other. The country is too deeply polarized and sharply moving apart in expectations and outlook and beliefs. The Democratic Party is far more progressive-left than it was 20 years ago in ways that is openly hostile to large numbers of Americans and no longer bothers seeking consensus or moderation and is blind or indifferent to any notions of sanctity of once core American beliefs, as we see with the twitter files. On the other hand, the Republican party has become the party of angry left behind people who don't know what they want beyond that they know the Democrats hate and despise them, and with a weird obsession withe extreme, not moderate European style, but extreme abortion bans.

Perhaps a third way candidate will emerge that can reach out to the middle and build a new consensus around it, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is going run as centrist, moderate candidate?

Biden is a centrist, traditional New England liberal. He is not a progressive, he is not Bernie or AOC.

New England? He's from the mid-Atlantic.

Sigh. Do you also think “western liberalism” is about Democrats in California?

Biden liked to make noise about being a folksy working class Democrat from Pennsylvania and Delaware. I am not sure what this has to with "traditional New England liberal." He's no Boston Brahmin nor did he go to elite New England schools nor does he spend notable time in New England.

I've always thought of Biden as a low grade midwit who was lucky rather than accomplished. I can't quite call him a moderate as his stances on many topics aren't exactly moderate (are they his stances or his administration telling him what to do? Who knows). But he is also not a far left progressive.

He's also not popular although he may win reelection solely by not being Donald Trump. But I do know whatever happens in 2024, the Democrats will always hate the Republican candidate and possible Republican president, and the Republicans will always hate the Democratic candidate and Democratic president.

May win? In what universe does trump beat Biden in 2024? Trump will never ever win a national election again.

If you remember your politics, you win the presidency by winning the electoral college, not the popular vote. Given the narrowness of Biden's tiny victories in the handful of states that gave him the electoral college, it remains a distinct possibility Trump can reverse that in 2024. I still do think Biden will defeat Trump in a 2024 matchup based on current conditions, but current conditions are current conditions and who knows what might occur in the next 18 months. A major recession, for example. Ukraine turning into another Vietnam. All that is needed is a small swing in a few states.

I also do think most people do not want either Biden or Trump. But most people also cannot agree with each other. The country is too deeply polarized and sharply moving apart in expectations and outlook and beliefs. The Democratic Party is far more progressive-left than it was 20 years ago in ways that is openly hostile to large numbers of Americans and no longer bothers seeking consensus or moderation and is blind or indifferent to any notions of sanctity of once core American beliefs, as we see with the twitter files. On the other hand, the Republican party has become the party of angry left behind people who don't know what they want beyond that they know the Democrats hate and despise them, and with a weird obsession withe extreme, not moderate European style, but extreme abortion bans.

Perhaps a third way candidate will emerge that can reach out to the middle and build a new consensus around it, but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't think trump could gain a single state that he lost last round. His behavior since the 2020 election has been toxic and roe was overturned. He is done. He has his core loonies and that's it.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is going run as centrist, moderate candidate?

Biden is a centrist, traditional New England liberal. He is not a progressive, he is not Bernie or AOC.

New England? He's from the mid-Atlantic.

Sigh. Do you also think “western liberalism” is about Democrats in California?

Biden liked to make noise about being a folksy working class Democrat from Pennsylvania and Delaware. I am not sure what this has to with "traditional New England liberal." He's no Boston Brahmin nor did he go to elite New England schools nor does he spend notable time in New England.

I've always thought of Biden as a low grade midwit who was lucky rather than accomplished. I can't quite call him a moderate as his stances on many topics aren't exactly moderate (are they his stances or his administration telling him what to do? Who knows). But he is also not a far left progressive.

He's also not popular although he may win reelection solely by not being Donald Trump. But I do know whatever happens in 2024, the Democrats will always hate the Republican candidate and possible Republican president, and the Republicans will always hate the Democratic candidate and Democratic president.

That's not what it means to be a NE Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is going run as centrist, moderate candidate?

Biden is a centrist, traditional New England liberal. He is not a progressive, he is not Bernie or AOC.

New England? He's from the mid-Atlantic.

Sigh. Do you also think “western liberalism” is about Democrats in California?

Biden liked to make noise about being a folksy working class Democrat from Pennsylvania and Delaware. I am not sure what this has to with "traditional New England liberal." He's no Boston Brahmin nor did he go to elite New England schools nor does he spend notable time in New England.

I've always thought of Biden as a low grade midwit who was lucky rather than accomplished. I can't quite call him a moderate as his stances on many topics aren't exactly moderate (are they his stances or his administration telling him what to do? Who knows). But he is also not a far left progressive.

He's also not popular although he may win reelection solely by not being Donald Trump. But I do know whatever happens in 2024, the Democrats will always hate the Republican candidate and possible Republican president, and the Republicans will always hate the Democratic candidate and Democratic president.

May win? In what universe does trump beat Biden in 2024? Trump will never ever win a national election again.

If you remember your politics, you win the presidency by winning the electoral college, not the popular vote. Given the narrowness of Biden's tiny victories in the handful of states that gave him the electoral college, it remains a distinct possibility Trump can reverse that in 2024. I still do think Biden will defeat Trump in a 2024 matchup based on current conditions, but current conditions are current conditions and who knows what might occur in the next 18 months. A major recession, for example. Ukraine turning into another Vietnam. All that is needed is a small swing in a few states.

I also do think most people do not want either Biden or Trump. But most people also cannot agree with each other. The country is too deeply polarized and sharply moving apart in expectations and outlook and beliefs. The Democratic Party is far more progressive-left than it was 20 years ago in ways that is openly hostile to large numbers of Americans and no longer bothers seeking consensus or moderation and is blind or indifferent to any notions of sanctity of once core American beliefs, as we see with the twitter files. On the other hand, the Republican party has become the party of angry left behind people who don't know what they want beyond that they know the Democrats hate and despise them, and with a weird obsession withe extreme, not moderate European style, but extreme abortion bans.

Perhaps a third way candidate will emerge that can reach out to the middle and build a new consensus around it, but I'm not holding my breath.

with all due respect, get out of your weird bubble

[Anonymous]

This post on MumsNet is good: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/politics/4686793-up-and-coming-american-democrats

[Anonymous]

The question is the same as in 2020. Who can beat trump.nbwe know the answer.