Middlebury ED filled most of class?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So counting January admits, the admission rate for RD will be 1.8%. At that point, why even do an RD round?

No because they don’t have a 100% yield. They will need to admit about 600 to get their remaining 200. Or maybe even more since it sounds like most of them will be Feb admits.

Some of their ED applicants are Feb start. Though I don’t know if they counted them as ED admits for Feb starts since it’s no longer binding. They need full pays usually for spring starts so I’m guessing many of their Febs applied ED (full pay, Midd their first choice reach).

So if they only give ED students a Feb admit they can decline? That’s good. I thought they had to check a box on the application if they would be willing to start in feb. was the wondering how that worked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's like K-12 private schools, PP. A majority are quite wealthy, and a handful are low-income on financial aid. The middle class is entirely squeezed out.

That might not be a great social fit for my kid anyway.

+100 My DS wants to go to a SLAC but not one filled with only rich kids. They don't seem to exist as all the SLACs are so expensive.

It's a smear to say SLACs have only rich kids. 40-65% of students at these schools are on financial aid with average award in the 50k range. There are a lot of rich kids outside that group but someone has to pay the bills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So counting January admits, the admission rate for RD will be 1.8%. At that point, why even do an RD round?

No because they don’t have a 100% yield. They will need to admit about 600 to get their remaining 200. Or maybe even more since it sounds like most of them will be Feb admits.

Some of their ED applicants are Feb start. Though I don’t know if they counted them as ED admits for Feb starts since it’s no longer binding. They need full pays usually for spring starts so I’m guessing many of their Febs applied ED (full pay, Midd their first choice reach).

So if they only give ED students a Feb admit they can decline? That’s good. I thought they had to check a box on the application if they would be willing to start in feb. was the wondering how that worked.

I’m not certain how that was worded. Anyone know?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's like K-12 private schools, PP. A majority are quite wealthy, and a handful are low-income on financial aid. The middle class is entirely squeezed out.

That might not be a great social fit for my kid anyway.

+100 My DS wants to go to a SLAC but not one filled with only rich kids. They don't seem to exist as all the SLACs are so expensive.

It's a smear to say SLACs have only rich kids. 40-65% of students at these schools are on financial aid with average award in the 50k range. There are a lot of rich kids outside that group but someone has to pay the bills.

76% of Middlebury students have parents families in the top 20% of hhi.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So counting January admits, the admission rate for RD will be 1.8%. At that point, why even do an RD round?

No because they don’t have a 100% yield. They will need to admit about 600 to get their remaining 200. Or maybe even more since it sounds like most of them will be Feb admits.

Some of their ED applicants are Feb start. Though I don’t know if they counted them as ED admits for Feb starts since it’s no longer binding. They need full pays usually for spring starts so I’m guessing many of their Febs applied ED (full pay, Midd their first choice reach).

So if they only give ED students a Feb admit they can decline? That’s good. I thought they had to check a box on the application if they would be willing to start in feb. was the wondering how that worked.

I’m not certain how that was worded. Anyone know?

Looks like you pick Sept only, Feb only, or either. First two would be binding for the chosen start. I wonder if choosing either is binding for both?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's like K-12 private schools, PP. A majority are quite wealthy, and a handful are low-income on financial aid. The middle class is entirely squeezed out.

That might not be a great social fit for my kid anyway.

+100 My DS wants to go to a SLAC but not one filled with only rich kids. They don't seem to exist as all the SLACs are so expensive.

It's a smear to say SLACs have only rich kids. 40-65% of students at these schools are on financial aid with average award in the 50k range. There are a lot of rich kids outside that group but someone has to pay the bills.

76% of Middlebury students have parents families in the top 20% of hhi.

What about parents who don’t have to work? Might even be higher. And at 80k a year, I think you can easily be in the top 20% of hhi and still get aid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ED is binding, so if a college can fill its class in the first few rounds, they'll do it.

We’re a $100k-200k income family and not sure we can afford. I’m feeling boxed out. Doesn’t seem like much hope in applying RD. Boo. I appreciate they include Questbridge but I wonder how much economic diversity besides that group would there be on campus. Is everyone super wealthy? Any current families there?

Middlebury is need blind and meets demonstrated need. The FA offer will be the same whether it's ED or RD. There is no merit aid. If you can't make their FA offer work you can usually get out of ED. And if you need merit aid then the FA only schools aren't going to work regardless of application cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ED is binding, so if a college can fill its class in the first few rounds, they'll do it.

We’re a $100k-200k income family and not sure we can afford. I’m feeling boxed out. Doesn’t seem like much hope in applying RD. Boo. I appreciate they include Questbridge but I wonder how much economic diversity besides that group would there be on campus. Is everyone super wealthy? Any current families there?

Middlebury is need blind and meets demonstrated need. The FA offer will be the same whether it's ED or RD. There is no merit aid. If you can't make their FA offer work you can usually get out of ED. And if you need merit aid then the FA only schools aren't going to work regardless of application cycle.

We all know how it works. But even among need-blind no merit aid schools, offers can vary a lot. People for whom price matters should be able to compare packages. Filling most of a class via ED precludes that. They know they’re boxing people out and they don’t care. Even if you get out of ED, you do that prior to any RD offers so unless you had early EA luck, you’re not in a great spot. You also have to decide on ED before knowing whether you can get merit from other schools. No one should be defending this anti-applicant practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ED is binding, so if a college can fill its class in the first few rounds, they'll do it.

We’re a $100k-200k income family and not sure we can afford. I’m feeling boxed out. Doesn’t seem like much hope in applying RD. Boo. I appreciate they include Questbridge but I wonder how much economic diversity besides that group would there be on campus. Is everyone super wealthy? Any current families there?

Middlebury is need blind and meets demonstrated need. The FA offer will be the same whether it's ED or RD. There is no merit aid. If you can't make their FA offer work you can usually get out of ED. And if you need merit aid then the FA only schools aren't going to work regardless of application cycle.

We all know how it works. But even among need-blind no merit aid schools, offers can vary a lot. People for whom price matters should be able to compare packages. Filling most of a class via ED precludes that. They know they’re boxing people out and they don’t care. Even if you get out of ED, you do that prior to any RD offers so unless you had early EA luck, you’re not in a great spot. You also have to decide on ED before knowing whether you can get merit from other schools. No one should be defending this anti-applicant practice.

The only winners are the schools and rich applicants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ED is binding, so if a college can fill its class in the first few rounds, they'll do it.

We’re a $100k-200k income family and not sure we can afford. I’m feeling boxed out. Doesn’t seem like much hope in applying RD. Boo. I appreciate they include Questbridge but I wonder how much economic diversity besides that group would there be on campus. Is everyone super wealthy? Any current families there?

Middlebury is need blind and meets demonstrated need. The FA offer will be the same whether it's ED or RD. There is no merit aid. If you can't make their FA offer work you can usually get out of ED. And if you need merit aid then the FA only schools aren't going to work regardless of application cycle.

We all know how it works. But even among need-blind no merit aid schools, offers can vary a lot. People for whom price matters should be able to compare packages. Filling most of a class via ED precludes that. They know they’re boxing people out and they don’t care. Even if you get out of ED, you do that prior to any RD offers so unless you had early EA luck, you’re not in a great spot. You also have to decide on ED before knowing whether you can get merit from other schools. No one should be defending this anti-applicant practice.

Why not run the calculator at all the possible schools and Ed at the one that works the best for your family?

[Anonymous]

They filled 70% of their class with ED - wild. DS took Bates off his list when he realized they took +50% of the class ED and and he knew he wasn't getting in RD. I bet more kids who don't qualify for application fee waivers follow suit when these sorts of numbers are published.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's like K-12 private schools, PP. A majority are quite wealthy, and a handful are low-income on financial aid. The middle class is entirely squeezed out.

That might not be a great social fit for my kid anyway.

+100 My DS wants to go to a SLAC but not one filled with only rich kids. They don't seem to exist as all the SLACs are so expensive.

It's a smear to say SLACs have only rich kids. 40-65% of students at these schools are on financial aid with average award in the 50k range. There are a lot of rich kids outside that group but someone has to pay the bills.

76% of Middlebury students have parents families in the top 20% of hhi.

Where'd you get that stat from?

Because how does that square with this stat from the school's website?

Middlebury provides grant aid to about half of the student body. For the Class of 2025, the average grant was $57,000.

https://www.middlebury.edu/college/admissions/affordability#:~:text=Middlebury%20provides%20grant%20aid%20to,apply%2C%20visit%20Student%20Financial%20Services.

[Anonymous]

If this is true, it is nuts and the admissions dept of the college needs to be more up front with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's like K-12 private schools, PP. A majority are quite wealthy, and a handful are low-income on financial aid. The middle class is entirely squeezed out.

I think the ED = wealthy is overstated. No idea how much worse this is than last year. My niece is a current freshman who was admitted RD last year. She's full pay and wasn't shopping for discounts, just wanted to compare options and make a choice in May, and in the end Midd was the best fit. On the other hand if the calculator says there's aid, ED is very much an option. If the school is committed to taking students who need aid, ie it's already budgeted, by the same logic, why not fill those slots during ED, from the students who most want to be there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They filled 70% of their class with ED - wild. DS took Bates off his list when he realized they took +50% of the class ED and and he knew he wasn't getting in RD. I bet more kids who don't qualify for application fee waivers follow suit when these sorts of numbers are published.

In last cycle, DC's college counselor told them that the best chances for Bates were in ED and they would probably have no chance in RD.