NNAT3 score to be placed in APP pool

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Except that it means that your child is in the top 10 percent of their 2nd grade class and probably does require the level of differentiation provided by AAP Level VI. Come on. In pool = in.

Require??? 😂 You’re funny. The level of delusion here is comical. Your kid is bright and will be fine in gen ed. There’s maybe a tiny, tiny fraction of kids who are outliers and require something different.

NP. Depends on the school. At some schools (Title I for example) there can be huge differences in ability between the top and bottom percentiles that significantly impact the way Gen Ed is taught.

Coincidentally, those are the schools that will do better with pulling the to 10% aside into LLIV based on the local scores. The kids who are ahead at those schools will be pulled into LLIV and will be better off for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Except that it means that your child is in the top 10 percent of their 2nd grade class and probably does require the level of differentiation provided by AAP Level VI. Come on. In pool = in.

Nope, it's totally unfair that a kid at a high SES school that scores significantly better than the top 10% at another school doesn't get into the program.

So move to a neighborhood with a Title 1 school. Oh wait, you want what you want when you want it. As long as you get yours, everything is fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except that it means that your child is in the top 10 percent of their 2nd grade class and probably does require the level of differentiation provided by AAP Level VI. Come on. In pool = in.

Nope, it's totally unfair that a kid at a high SES school that scores significantly better than the top 10% at another school doesn't get into the program.

So move to a neighborhood with a Title 1 school. Oh wait, you want what you want when you want it. As long as you get yours, everything is fine.

I don't know, now that might mean LIV and a MS that is not an AAP Center so it might be easier to get into TJ.

[Anonymous]

It always goes from 1st grade to TJ…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s all about the GBRS is what the parents on kids who don’t have the high IQ tell themselves. High SES white kids with in pool ability scores will get easily. They have to be looking for a reason to reject them.

That is definitely not true. Saw many kids with cogat scores at 99th percentile that didn't get in at a center school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all about the GBRS is what the parents on kids who don’t have the high IQ tell themselves. High SES white kids with in pool ability scores will get easily. They have to be looking for a reason to reject them.

That is definitely not true. Saw many kids with cogat scores at 99th percentile that didn't get in at a center school.

Well, if they are looking to redress "equity" among URMs, isn't that a reason why some "high SES white kids with in pool ability scores" are rejected? Right or wrong, they are looking for reasons to reject some kids and accept others.

I no longer have any skin in the game. I wish FCPS offered the appropriate rigor to all bright kids. Unfortunately, a lot of scarce resources are spent in other ways which I consider wasteful. That's why parents get crazy about trying to get their kids placed in AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s all about the GBRS is what the parents on kids who don’t have the high IQ tell themselves. High SES white kids with in pool ability scores will get easily. They have to be looking for a reason to reject them.

That is definitely not true. Saw many kids with cogat scores at 99th percentile that didn't get in at a center school.

Well, if they are looking to redress "equity" among URMs, isn't that a reason why some "high SES white kids with in pool ability scores" are rejected? Right or wrong, they are looking for reasons to reject some kids and accept others.

I no longer have any skin in the game. I wish FCPS offered the appropriate rigor to all bright kids. Unfortunately, a lot of scarce resources are spent in other ways which I consider wasteful. That's why parents get crazy about trying to get their kids placed in AAP.

I don't think so, I think it is as much specific school cultures as anything else. We are at a low FARMs and ESOL school and people are not worried about AAP. The LLIV program just started and it is a cluster model, no one seems phased by it. A mall percentage of the LIV selected kids go to the Center and a good number of those return to the base school because they like the feel of the base school better then the center school. We are a language immersion school, I am sure that is a part of it, but the kids in Gen Ed don't move in high numbers to the center. And we have had a few kids who left LI for the center and returned to the base in the Gen Ed program and have been happy there.

There are some schools were parents are so focused on LIV that it drives the culture of the school. I strongly suspect that the center schools where people can talk about the Gen Ed and AAP programs is real are these schools were parents place this huge emphasis on AAP. There are other center schools where people don't see a divide and honestly feel like their kid is going to be fine regardless of what program they are in.

In my mind, it comes down to school culture and the parents who are driving that culture. The kids pick up on it and it perpetuates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except that it means that your child is in the top 10 percent of their 2nd grade class and probably does require the level of differentiation provided by AAP Level VI. Come on. In pool = in.

Nope, it's totally unfair that a kid at a high SES school that scores significantly better than the top 10% at another school doesn't get into the program.

+1000

And this is why they will eventually alter AAP and simply have LLIV at all schools, no centers or need for a committee.

As long as at a high SES school, ALL the kids that are eligible for LLIV (not just the top 10%) get it. My child's ES is doing clustering and while a lot of AAP parents don't like it, I appreciate that all the kids are getting the AAP curriculum, and they are put into math class based on their ability (e.g. my kid is in one class but moves to a different classroom for advanced math). This is how we did it when I was in elementary school 30+ years ago and it makes so much sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except that it means that your child is in the top 10 percent of their 2nd grade class and probably does require the level of differentiation provided by AAP Level VI. Come on. In pool = in.

Nope, it's totally unfair that a kid at a high SES school that scores significantly better than the top 10% at another school doesn't get into the program.

So move to a neighborhood with a Title 1 school. Oh wait, you want what you want when you want it. As long as you get yours, everything is fine.

I have lived where I lived since before we had kids and before AAP was anywhere even close to being on our radar. It's extremely unfair that just because of where we live, our kid might not get into AAP. I'm not moving my kids out of the community they've lived in their whole lives to get them into AAP. Do you know how stupid you sound even suggesting that??

[Anonymous]

First, if your kids don’t get in, then appeal.

Second, the different in pool cut scores are designed to expand access to Level IV for underserved students. It’s not to block students in high SES schools from getting in. And you can easily bypass the entire “in pool” process by parent referring. The pool is created to find students who don’t have parents supporting them at home seeking out this opportunity in school. Having a higher “in pool” score at a school does not mean that students who don’t make the cut to be in pool won’t make the program. It just means they won’t be automatically referred.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First, if your kids don’t get in, then appeal.

Second, the different in pool cut scores are designed to expand access to Level IV for underserved students. It’s not to block students in high SES schools from getting in. And you can easily bypass the entire “in pool” process by parent referring. The pool is created to find students who don’t have parents supporting them at home seeking out this opportunity in school. Having a higher “in pool” score at a school does not mean that students who don’t make the cut to be in pool won’t make the program. It just means they won’t be automatically referred.

It was a ridiculous decision to move to local in-pool cutoffs for a county-wide program and it actually hurts underserved kids at higher SES schools. The local in-pool scores are higher at high SES schools largely because of prepping. If the pool is created to find students who don't have parents at home who would otherwise advocate for them, those parents certainly aren't prepping their kids, thus defeating the purpose of creating a pool to catch those kids (at least at the high SES schools). 132 is 98/99% and that was absolutely the appropriate threshold countywide to put kids in-pool for the AAP program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First, if your kids don’t get in, then appeal.

Second, the different in pool cut scores are designed to expand access to Level IV for underserved students. It’s not to block students in high SES schools from getting in. And you can easily bypass the entire “in pool” process by parent referring. The pool is created to find students who don’t have parents supporting them at home seeking out this opportunity in school. Having a higher “in pool” score at a school does not mean that students who don’t make the cut to be in pool won’t make the program. It just means they won’t be automatically referred.

Won't increasing the number of "underserved" who get in reduce the number of spaces for the high SES students whose scores are higher than the in pool score for underserved schools but not in the top 10% at their own school? There has to be a limit on the number of AAP center kids, at least until they cry uncle and make it all local level IV. At my kid's "low SES" school, that would have been a class with mostly principal placed non-Level IV qualified. That's one reason we chose the center school --to actually get a bona fide AAP program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, if your kids don’t get in, then appeal.

Second, the different in pool cut scores are designed to expand access to Level IV for underserved students. It’s not to block students in high SES schools from getting in. And you can easily bypass the entire “in pool” process by parent referring. The pool is created to find students who don’t have parents supporting them at home seeking out this opportunity in school. Having a higher “in pool” score at a school does not mean that students who don’t make the cut to be in pool won’t make the program. It just means they won’t be automatically referred.

Won't increasing the number of "underserved" who get in reduce the number of spaces for the high SES students whose scores are higher than the in pool score for underserved schools but not in the top 10% at their own school? There has to be a limit on the number of AAP center kids, at least until they cry uncle and make it all local level IV. At my kid's "low SES" school, that would have been a class with mostly principal placed non-Level IV qualified. That's one reason we chose the center school --to actually get a bona fide AAP program.

These kids are less in need of AAP than high-scoring kids at low SES schools because the Gen Ed classes at high SES schools are already taught at a higher level.