If we just want middle-ish instate VA, how hard do we have to work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT is not "middle-ish"

But plenty of kids just like OPs kid get into VT and JMU.

VT weighted GPA is 4.03, so 50% are below and 50% above, SATs 25-75% range is around 1200-1400
JMU's weighted GPA mean is 3.69, and SATs 25-75% is around 1160-1340

So stats-wise VT is a tougher admit than JMU, but both are doable for kids who get mainly As and some Bs in a generally rigorous courseload. Both are test optional too, and rank SATs as only considered, whereas for instance they are "very important" at W&M. (UVA puts SATs as only "considered" but they primarily accept high ones and over 75% of students submit scores--their 25-75% range is 1400-1510 so it seems to be a bit disingenuous on their part)

VT cares a lot about supplemental essays--so look ahead and put effort there if that's the first choice. Because it's popular, you can't guarantee an admit, but as long as your stats are in their range you have a good a chance as anyone. Higher stats don't seem to give you a higher chance for them--they are looking for something else. JMU seems to be more the case that if your stats are in their range, you will very likely be accepted. Males have a slightly easier acceptance at JMU.

Ugh you were the one hijacking and going on and on and on about supplemental essays at Tech on the other thread. TLDR. Tighten it up!

DP. No, I was posting about the importance of supplemental essays in the other thread. I take issue with your use of the word “hijack” as my point was salient. Your use of the word “ugh” indicates you didn’t learn anything and continue to cling to some belief that your kid was owed an offer of admission based on stats. Not sure when you will figure out that stats alone to do qualify, much less entitle, anyone to college admission anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:VT is middle-ish for everything except engineering and CS. There may be a few other competitive, niche programs, but your son will do fine applying to the school’s general program.

Probably not an easy admit for biology and some other sciences. Lots of pre-med, pre-pharmacy, pre-vet and pre-physician’s assistant grade-focused students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listing the VA public Us by median GPA (from SCHEV), Only UVA, W&M, VT have medians above 4.0. Although VT's is impacted a lot by higher GPA for engineering admits so outside of that I'd say it falls with the big "middle-sh" group that has medians in the 3.7-3.8 range.

UVA 4.4
W&M 4.33
VT 4.04

JMU 3.88
CNU 3.78
GMU 3.76
UMW 3.73
VCU 3.73
VMI 3.70
Longwood 3.69

UVA Wise 3.55
ODU 3.40
Radford 3.40

Virginia State 3.03
Norfolk State 3.01

Nice data. From this, it’s easy to see that kids who attend UVA and WM have completed lots of AP courses with excellent grades. That’s why their GPA is above 4.0. The high-middle schools are for kids who excelled in a general education program. Notice that their GPAs are near 4.0 but not above it. Kids at the bottom schools clearly struggled even in a general education program. With a GPA around 3, such students probably had a few As, mostly Bs, and some Cs.

Weird assessment, bro. So much wrong with what you've written here. Only kids with above a 4.0 took AP? Because that's how you wrote it. Plenty of kids take AP courses and get below a 4.0 GPA.

You should improve your reading comprehension. PP said kids with GPA at UVA/WM level had to take a lot of AP classes and do well in them. PP didn’t say that other kids didn’t take AP courses, but, a lower GPA suggests far fewer AP courses and/or lower performance in them, if taken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listing the VA public Us by median GPA (from SCHEV), Only UVA, W&M, VT have medians above 4.0. Although VT's is impacted a lot by higher GPA for engineering admits so outside of that I'd say it falls with the big "middle-sh" group that has medians in the 3.7-3.8 range.

UVA 4.4
W&M 4.33
VT 4.04

JMU 3.88
CNU 3.78
GMU 3.76
UMW 3.73
VCU 3.73
VMI 3.70
Longwood 3.69

UVA Wise 3.55
ODU 3.40
Radford 3.40

Virginia State 3.03
Norfolk State 3.01

What is interesting here is how many are actually closely grouped between 3.7 and 3.9.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT is middle-ish for everything except engineering and CS. There may be a few other competitive, niche programs, but your son will do fine applying to the school’s general program.

Probably not an easy admit for biology and some other sciences. Lots of pre-med, pre-pharmacy, pre-vet and pre-physician’s assistant grade-focused students.

Can you not be undecided when applying? Or, once accepted, how hard is it to change majors to something more in demand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listing the VA public Us by median GPA (from SCHEV), Only UVA, W&M, VT have medians above 4.0. Although VT's is impacted a lot by higher GPA for engineering admits so outside of that I'd say it falls with the big "middle-sh" group that has medians in the 3.7-3.8 range.

UVA 4.4
W&M 4.33
VT 4.04

JMU 3.88
CNU 3.78
GMU 3.76
UMW 3.73
VCU 3.73
VMI 3.70
Longwood 3.69

UVA Wise 3.55
ODU 3.40
Radford 3.40

Virginia State 3.03
Norfolk State 3.01

Nice data. From this, it’s easy to see that kids who attend UVA and WM have completed lots of AP courses with excellent grades. That’s why their GPA is above 4.0. The high-middle schools are for kids who excelled in a general education program. Notice that their GPAs are near 4.0 but not above it. Kids at the bottom schools clearly struggled even in a general education program. With a GPA around 3, such students probably had a few As, mostly Bs, and some Cs.

Weird assessment, bro. So much wrong with what you've written here. Only kids with above a 4.0 took AP? Because that's how you wrote it. Plenty of kids take AP courses and get below a 4.0 GPA.

You should improve your reading comprehension. PP said kids with GPA at UVA/WM level had to take a lot of AP classes and do well in them. PP didn’t say that other kids didn’t take AP courses, but, a lower GPA suggests far fewer AP courses and/or lower performance in them, if taken.

maybe you should up your reading comprehension. That poster said, beyond the over 4.0 kids, they excelled in a 'general education program' - that is not AP. Anyway, it was a half-assed assessment that wasn't worth the read.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT is middle-ish for everything except engineering and CS. There may be a few other competitive, niche programs, but your son will do fine applying to the school’s general program.

Probably not an easy admit for biology and some other sciences. Lots of pre-med, pre-pharmacy, pre-vet and pre-physician’s assistant grade-focused students.

Can you not be undecided when applying? Or, once accepted, how hard is it to change majors to something more in demand?

You can apply undecided aka "university studies". You can also apply to an undecided major within a college, e.g. "Exploring Science" within the College of Science. But "University Studies" has a pretty low acceptance rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT is middle-ish for everything except engineering and CS. There may be a few other competitive, niche programs, but your son will do fine applying to the school’s general program.

Probably not an easy admit for biology and some other sciences. Lots of pre-med, pre-pharmacy, pre-vet and pre-physician’s assistant grade-focused students.

Can you not be undecided when applying? Or, once accepted, how hard is it to change majors to something more in demand?

You can apply undecided aka "university studies". You can also apply to an undecided major within a college, e.g. "Exploring Science" within the College of Science. But "University Studies" has a pretty low acceptance rate.

My DS applied to University Studies and was denied. In hindsight, I think he should have picked something like History or English and then switched majors if needed. I’ve heard several people say that University Studies has low acceptance. Does anyone have stats on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listing the VA public Us by median GPA (from SCHEV), Only UVA, W&M, VT have medians above 4.0. Although VT's is impacted a lot by higher GPA for engineering admits so outside of that I'd say it falls with the big "middle-sh" group that has medians in the 3.7-3.8 range.

UVA 4.4
W&M 4.33
VT 4.04

JMU 3.88
CNU 3.78
GMU 3.76
UMW 3.73
VCU 3.73
VMI 3.70
Longwood 3.69

UVA Wise 3.55
ODU 3.40
Radford 3.40

Virginia State 3.03
Norfolk State 3.01

What is interesting here is how many are actually closely grouped between 3.7 and 3.9.

And it's nice that within that 3.7-3.9 range you have a mix of different types of schools so students should be able to find something that's a good fit -- UMW and Longwood are both more LAC-like, CNU also smaller but has big sports and greek life, VCU for urban, JMU for the traditional college town, VMI military academy, GMU for the DC commuters and a strong tech/engineering program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT is middle-ish for everything except engineering and CS. There may be a few other competitive, niche programs, but your son will do fine applying to the school’s general program.

Probably not an easy admit for biology and some other sciences. Lots of pre-med, pre-pharmacy, pre-vet and pre-physician’s assistant grade-focused students.

Can you not be undecided when applying? Or, once accepted, how hard is it to change majors to something more in demand?

You can apply undecided aka "university studies". You can also apply to an undecided major within a college, e.g. "Exploring Science" within the College of Science. But "University Studies" has a pretty low acceptance rate.

My DS applied to University Studies and was denied. In hindsight, I think he should have picked something like History or English and then switched majors if needed. I’ve heard several people say that University Studies has low acceptance. Does anyone have stats on this?

Their data tool shows an in-state acceptance rate for University Studies is only 19.6%. In contrast, if you did "Exploring Liberal Arts and Human Sciences", the undecided major in that college, the in-state acceptance rate goes up to 41%. It's a really bad idea to apply completely undecided.

[Anonymous]

When the time comes, have your student make it clear to their counselor which they favor VT or JMU. Mention it in their essay too.

Quietly familiarize yourself with Mary Washington, Christopher Newport, Virginia Commonwealth. Make sure you also talk these up, in case.

I think you're worried too much about ECs. DC is doing fine. At this point, what will matter are. his stats as a mid-year Senior

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VT is middle-ish for everything except engineering and CS. There may be a few other competitive, niche programs, but your son will do fine applying to the school’s general program.

Probably not an easy admit for biology and some other sciences. Lots of pre-med, pre-pharmacy, pre-vet and pre-physician’s assistant grade-focused students.

Can you not be undecided when applying? Or, once accepted, how hard is it to change majors to something more in demand?

You can apply undecided aka "university studies". You can also apply to an undecided major within a college, e.g. "Exploring Science" within the College of Science. But "University Studies" has a pretty low acceptance rate.

My DS applied to University Studies and was denied. In hindsight, I think he should have picked something like History or English and then switched majors if needed. I’ve heard several people say that University Studies has low acceptance. Does anyone have stats on this?

Their data tool shows an in-state acceptance rate for University Studies is only 19.6%. In contrast, if you did "Exploring Liberal Arts and Human Sciences", the undecided major in that college, the in-state acceptance rate goes up to 41%. It's a really bad idea to apply completely undecided.

Also, if interested in something in sciences, the "exploring sciences" major has a 73% acceptance rate!

https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college

[Anonymous]

You'll be fine at schools like JMU and Christopher Newport.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listing the VA public Us by median GPA (from SCHEV), Only UVA, W&M, VT have medians above 4.0. Although VT's is impacted a lot by higher GPA for engineering admits so outside of that I'd say it falls with the big "middle-sh" group that has medians in the 3.7-3.8 range.

UVA 4.4
W&M 4.33



VT 4.04
JMU 3.88
CNU 3.78
GMU 3.76
UMW 3.73
VCU 3.73
VMI 3.70
Longwood 3.69

UVA Wise 3.55
ODU 3.40
Radford 3.40

Virginia State 3.03
Norfolk State 3.01

What a strange place to put the gap—see correction above

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listing the VA public Us by median GPA (from SCHEV), Only UVA, W&M, VT have medians above 4.0. Although VT's is impacted a lot by higher GPA for engineering admits so outside of that I'd say it falls with the big "middle-sh" group that has medians in the 3.7-3.8 range.

UVA 4.4
W&M 4.33
VT 4.04

JMU 3.88
CNU 3.78
GMU 3.76
UMW 3.73
VCU 3.73
VMI 3.70
Longwood 3.69

UVA Wise 3.55
ODU 3.40
Radford 3.40

Virginia State 3.03
Norfolk State 3.01

Nice data. From this, it’s easy to see that kids who attend UVA and WM have completed lots of AP courses with excellent grades. That’s why their GPA is above 4.0. The high-middle schools are for kids who excelled in a general education program. Notice that their GPAs are near 4.0 but not above it. Kids at the bottom schools clearly struggled even in a general education program. With a GPA around 3, such students probably had a few As, mostly Bs, and some Cs.

Weird assessment, bro. So much wrong with what you've written here. Only kids with above a 4.0 took AP? Because that's how you wrote it. Plenty of kids take AP courses and get below a 4.0 GPA.

+1
Exactly. I think the PP is trying desperately to pump him or herself up, as usual. So bizarre to parse kids like this.