ACPS Dual-language schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At MVCC, reading proficiency for the entire student body is 53% and 19% for ELL students. Math proficiency is 46% for the entire school and 15% for ELL.

At John Adams, reading for the entire student body is 56% and 46% for ELL. Math is 43% overall and 34% for ELL.

Both are significantly under state proficiency levels for both categories but John Adams is the better school based on data.

Interesting because MVCC changed over a few years ago and they aren't really an immersion school in the sense they are trying to attract non Spanish speaking students but rather they are teaching in Spanish with the belief that teaching the students who are in the majority of the school population in the language they speak natively would improve their understanding and academic success instead of trying to learn those subjects in English.

Ok, that's just not true at all. The program at MVCS has always been a 2-way immersion program. There is a ton of research out there on the model - which requires classes to be balanced 50% native English/50% native Spanish - if you care to look for it. Of course as the years have gone by, teachers and administrators have gone to conferences and adjusted curriculum based on the latest research. Having had multiple kids go through the school at different times, my view is that the program has gotten stronger over the years.

There is also a lot of research that shows that dual language students who are native English speakers may trail their English-only peers early on, they eventually outperform those students. Recognizing that anecdotes are not data, I will say that our experience was completely in line with the research.

No sorry it really has not. It did switch over and I am guessing you just weren’t around when it did. It’s not a secret that the school has long had issues. Most parents in Del Ray close by the school are rabid supporters especially in the early years. It’s not a slam on you or the school that you didn’t know. And it is sad that it hasn’t helped the ELL students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At MVCC, reading proficiency for the entire student body is 53% and 19% for ELL students. Math proficiency is 46% for the entire school and 15% for ELL.

At John Adams, reading for the entire student body is 56% and 46% for ELL. Math is 43% overall and 34% for ELL.

Both are significantly under state proficiency levels for both categories but John Adams is the better school based on data.

Dig into the data at the VDE website, we controlled for demographics similar to our child and found the percentages at or above proficiency to be very high and on par w/ Brooks, CB, and George Mason. We did this before we enrolled, and we’re glad we stayed in the neighborhood and went to MVCS.

Reading proficiency

White: 93%
Black: 44%
Hispanic: 31%

Math proficiency

White: 85%
Black: 20%
Hispanic: 25%

To PP’s point, these cumulative statistics for a whole school are not very insightful. Look at SES, specific grade levels (start w/ 4th if you aren’t sure), gender, and subject matters.

Also: schools are much more than test scores—especially with low SES populations. Talk to current and former parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At MVCC, reading proficiency for the entire student body is 53% and 19% for ELL students. Math proficiency is 46% for the entire school and 15% for ELL.

At John Adams, reading for the entire student body is 56% and 46% for ELL. Math is 43% overall and 34% for ELL.

Both are significantly under state proficiency levels for both categories but John Adams is the better school based on data.

Dig into the data at the VDE website, we controlled for demographics similar to our child and found the percentages at or above proficiency to be very high and on par w/ Brooks, CB, and George Mason. We did this before we enrolled, and we’re glad we stayed in the neighborhood and went to MVCS.

Reading proficiency

White: 93%
Black: 44%
Hispanic: 31%

Math proficiency

White: 85%
Black: 20%
Hispanic: 25%

To PP’s point, these cumulative statistics for a whole school are not very insightful. Look at SES, specific grade levels (start w/ 4th if you aren’t sure), gender, and subject matters.

Also: schools are much more than test scores—especially with low SES populations. Talk to current and former parents.

Nope. It's systemic racism. If the scores were even close maybe it would be acceptable to consider other factors. The difference is too great.

[Anonymous]

If your kids are white and UMC...they'll be fine. But that is no different than any other ACPS elementary school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If your kids are white and UMC...they'll be fine. But that is no different than any other ACPS elementary school.

I’m so tired of this response. Do you post it on every thread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At MVCC, reading proficiency for the entire student body is 53% and 19% for ELL students. Math proficiency is 46% for the entire school and 15% for ELL.

At John Adams, reading for the entire student body is 56% and 46% for ELL. Math is 43% overall and 34% for ELL.

Both are significantly under state proficiency levels for both categories but John Adams is the better school based on data.

Interesting because MVCC changed over a few years ago and they aren't really an immersion school in the sense they are trying to attract non Spanish speaking students but rather they are teaching in Spanish with the belief that teaching the students who are in the majority of the school population in the language they speak natively would improve their understanding and academic success instead of trying to learn those subjects in English.

an immersion school is not an immersion school because they are trying to attract non Spanish speaking students - thats just your mistaken understanding of immersion and also the rest of your statement is also mistaken. Why did you even comment....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At MVCC, reading proficiency for the entire student body is 53% and 19% for ELL students. Math proficiency is 46% for the entire school and 15% for ELL.

At John Adams, reading for the entire student body is 56% and 46% for ELL. Math is 43% overall and 34% for ELL.

Both are significantly under state proficiency levels for both categories but John Adams is the better school based on data.

Interesting because MVCC changed over a few years ago and they aren't really an immersion school in the sense they are trying to attract non Spanish speaking students but rather they are teaching in Spanish with the belief that teaching the students who are in the majority of the school population in the language they speak natively would improve their understanding and academic success instead of trying to learn those subjects in English.

What happens when those kids go to middle school?

This isn't a belief. It's proven science that people learn better when taught in thier native language. It takes 7 years of learning a language to understand academic language.