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Anonymous
So you demonstrate your objection and disgust with this tactic by... employing it yourself...? |
jsteele
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Exactly where did I employ it? Obviously, I was being sarcastic with my suggestion. If I seriously thought such a thread should be created, I would have created it. As you know, I don't allow anonymous individuals to slander named individuals. As a result, the thread calling me a bigot and the two posts by the OP of this thread calling me an anti-Semite could have been deleted. However, I made exceptions because I am willing to take the heat. Something the anonymous OP of this thread is not willing to do. Now, somehow you appear to be the mood to condemn me for all of this. That's fine. I'm used to it. |
Anonymous
| I'm only condemning you for what you did. Maybe you meant it sarcastically, but as the person in charge of this space, your participation is different than the rest of us. If you want us to adhere to certain standards, you must be the model for that. I get that you were unfairly attacked and that is wrong and unfortunate. It was not fair for the OP to do that. But that doesn't mean you should resort to those tactics, even sarcastically. Otherwise, you lose your authority to tell anyone else to adhere to these standards. |
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I'm sorry, but I'm lost. What did I do? I called for Dennis Miller to resign. I hereby apologize to Dennis Miller for that because it turns out he was wrongly identified by the OP as the author of the diatribe. I called the anonymous OP a bigot. I stand by the accusation which I believe is supported by the OP's post. I suggested that a thread be created to discuss the OP's bigotry. However, this was not a serious suggestion and no such thread has been created. Everything that I did is well within the standards that are generally employed on this site. So, I am a bit confused about what behavior of mine has caused you concern. |
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"I suggested that a thread be created to discuss the OP's bigotry. However, this was not a serious suggestion and no such thread has been created."
That is the point I take issue with. The mere suggestion, even sarcastically, is inappropriate. If you can't see that, then I don't know what more I can say. |
jsteele
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Clearly you are more concerned about non-actions involving anonymous posters than you are about actual actions against named individuals. That being the case, there is nothing more that you actually do need to say. I am not sure what principle you believe you are attempting to uphold, other than that anonymous posters should be able to do to me that which I don't allow them to do to others and, in turn, I shouldn't even be able to joke about doing to them. |
Anonymous
What the internet needs is emotifonts, fonts that indicate humor, irony, anger, seriousness, etc. Jeff, that's a challenge! |
jsteele
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Indeed. But, to be clear, this is not a case of misunderstood humor. This particular poster explicitly says that I should not even say things, whether in jest or sarcasm. Emotifonts would not help in this case. |
Anonymous
This is BS and you know it. Stand by what you said. Don't hide behind, "Well, I didn't *REALLY* mean it." Be a man and say what you mean and mean what you say. Otherwise, you open up a pandora's box of people saying whatever they want and then claiming it was just a joke and, therefore, should be allowed to stand as is. The principal I am standing behind is that, as the person setting and enforcing the rules on this site, you are most obligated to model and follow those roles. You erred here and should acknowledge that. I'm not trying to take you or the site down. I'm pointing out a mistake you made. Own up to it. It's okay. We'll forgive you. But please stop whining about the persecution you feel at the hands of a poster taking issue with an inappropriate statement you made. |
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I will also say that you violated that posters anonymity by linking to other posts made by him/her. While their identity is still secure, by linking posts that they did not choose themselves to identify as coming from the same author, you removed a layer of the anonymity that you otherwise entitle the rest of us to. I assume you used IP information to do this. And, being that this site is yours, that is entirely your right. But, again, it seems inappropriate that anonymity, which you seem to recognize as important for the discourse here, was ignored in this case because it behooved you making your point that this person was out to get you.
Again, I do not intend to defend this person's actions or statements. I have acknowledged that they were both inaccurate and unfair. That being said, it doesn't justify your reactions, Jeff. Plain and simple. |
Anonymous
Anon o Anon this is bullshit. Okay, I will start a new thread stating that OP is a raving bigot. Will that make you feel better because she is. |
Anonymous
| That should read Anon to Anon . . . |
Anonymous
| If you wanted to do so, fine by me. But the idea of the guy in charge of this link advocating, even jokingly, the readers to gang up on another in defense of himself is inappropriate. I've yet to here a valid reason for why it WAS appropriate. Dismissing it as a joke does not do so, by the way. |
Anonymous
| My theory is that Anon was really Jeff having a little fun by spicing things up. I don't really believe that, but it's a fun theory that I post to spice things up, because this dispute seems too silly to be serious. |
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To the extent that I advocated anything, it was not anything in defense of me. The OP's bigotry was not directed at me, but Palestinians. My suggestion was that a thread be created about the OP's bigotry. That was a clear allusion to the thread about me in which I was described as a bigot and the OP of this thread called me an anti-Semite. As for a justification, that connection is sufficient to me. Obviously, if my suggestion was serious, I would have started such a thread. Where in the history of this site have I ever hesitated to express my views? Clearly, nobody else took me seriously either given that nobody else started such a thread. You are welcome to your opinion that I was mistaken to make such a suggestion. I do not agree with your opinion and no apology will be forthcoming. As for my somehow having violated the OP's anonymity, that is a pretty hilarious charge given that you clearly say that she is still anonymous. So, how was her anonymity violated? What was violated was her ability to be a hypocrite. |