Which do you think is most significant among Recent top Biblical Archaeology Discoveries?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think Atlantis will ever be found?

Unlike many legends whose origins have been lost in the mists of time, we know exactly when and where the story of Atlantis first appeared. The story was first told in two of Plato's dialogues, the "Timaeus" and the "Critias," written about 360 B.C.

It's clear that Plato made up Atlantis as a plot device for his stories, because there no other records of it anywhere else in the world.

Plato, however, is crystal clear about where Atlantis is: "For the ocean there was at that time navigable; for in front of the mouth which you Greeks call, as you say, 'the pillars of Heracles,' (i.e., Hercules) there lay an island which was larger than Libya and Asia together."

The most obvious sign that Atlantis is a myth is that no trace of it has ever been found despite advances in oceanography and ocean floor mapping in past decades. For nearly two millennia readers could be forgiven for suspecting that the vast depths might somehow hide a sunken city or continent. Though there remains much mystery at the bottom of the world's oceans, it is inconceivable that the world's oceanographers, submariners, and deep-sea probes have some how missed a landmass "larger than Libya and Asia together."

https://www.livescience.com/23217-lost-city-of-atlantis.html

no, because ocean floor mapping has proved it doesn’t exist.

what does Plato’s “Atlantis” have to do with the Bible, religion, or the topic of this thread?

Furthermore plate tectonics demonstrate that Atlantis is impossible; as the continents have drifted, the seafloor has spread over time, not contracted. There would simply be no place for Atlantis to sink into. As Ken Feder notes, "The geology is clear; there could have been no large land surface that then sank in the area where Plato places Atlantis. Together, modern archaeology and geology provide an unambiguous verdict: There was no Atlantic continent; there was no great civilization called Atlantis."

Atlantis (Ancient Greek: Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος, romanized: Atlantìs nêsos, lit. 'island of Atlas') is a fictional island mentioned in an allegory on the hubris of nations in Plato's works Timaeus and Critias, wherein it represents the antagonist naval power that besieges "Ancient Athens", the pseudo-historic embodiment of Plato's ideal state in The Republic.

This really has nothing to do with this thread. Inviting discussion around most significant of recent archeological discoveries related to biblical stories.

You could start your own thread regarding most significant archeological discoveries that have never taken place.

It does underscore how remarkable it was to unearth an entire ancient Egyptian city though.

It really is remarkable. That’s probably why some troll decided to disrupt the thread and bring Atlantis into the discussion.

Thank you.

If it was a troll, I should be glad they say unkind things for no reason.

Sorry meant to say - did not say particularly unkind things. Just odd and unrelated. But not being inflammatory is good.

Some of the particularly persistent trolls here interrupt and go off topic on almost every thread in seemingly innocuous ways.

Like the thread that a poster asked what might be a good gift for godparents? Some troll had to comment “nothing.” Just a little something to say hey, I don’t respect your right to have discussion here, and I will add an immature little comment that detracts from the thread to let you all know that.

And on this thread, someone had to ask about a fictional city to somehow detract from actual archeological discoveries. Someone (or several someones) is obsessed and probably disturbed, a terrible combination.

[Anonymous]

The greatest artifact ever is the shroud of Turin. The inexplicable and impossible to replicate features combined with being an image of crucified Jesus makes it the most fascinating object in human history.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think Atlantis will ever be found?

Unlike many legends whose origins have been lost in the mists of time, we know exactly when and where the story of Atlantis first appeared. The story was first told in two of Plato's dialogues, the "Timaeus" and the "Critias," written about 360 B.C.

It's clear that Plato made up Atlantis as a plot device for his stories, because there no other records of it anywhere else in the world.

Plato, however, is crystal clear about where Atlantis is: "For the ocean there was at that time navigable; for in front of the mouth which you Greeks call, as you say, 'the pillars of Heracles,' (i.e., Hercules) there lay an island which was larger than Libya and Asia together."

The most obvious sign that Atlantis is a myth is that no trace of it has ever been found despite advances in oceanography and ocean floor mapping in past decades. For nearly two millennia readers could be forgiven for suspecting that the vast depths might somehow hide a sunken city or continent. Though there remains much mystery at the bottom of the world's oceans, it is inconceivable that the world's oceanographers, submariners, and deep-sea probes have some how missed a landmass "larger than Libya and Asia together."

https://www.livescience.com/23217-lost-city-of-atlantis.html

no, because ocean floor mapping has proved it doesn’t exist.

what does Plato’s “Atlantis” have to do with the Bible, religion, or the topic of this thread?

Furthermore plate tectonics demonstrate that Atlantis is impossible; as the continents have drifted, the seafloor has spread over time, not contracted. There would simply be no place for Atlantis to sink into. As Ken Feder notes, "The geology is clear; there could have been no large land surface that then sank in the area where Plato places Atlantis. Together, modern archaeology and geology provide an unambiguous verdict: There was no Atlantic continent; there was no great civilization called Atlantis."

Atlantis (Ancient Greek: Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος, romanized: Atlantìs nêsos, lit. 'island of Atlas') is a fictional island mentioned in an allegory on the hubris of nations in Plato's works Timaeus and Critias, wherein it represents the antagonist naval power that besieges "Ancient Athens", the pseudo-historic embodiment of Plato's ideal state in The Republic.

This really has nothing to do with this thread. Inviting discussion around most significant of recent archeological discoveries related to biblical stories.

You could start your own thread regarding most significant archeological discoveries that have never taken place.

It does underscore how remarkable it was to unearth an entire ancient Egyptian city though.

It really is remarkable. That’s probably why some troll decided to disrupt the thread and bring Atlantis into the discussion.

Thank you.

If it was a troll, I should be glad they say unkind things for no reason.

Sorry meant to say - did not say particularly unkind things. Just odd and unrelated. But not being inflammatory is good.

Some of the particularly persistent trolls here interrupt and go off topic on almost every thread in seemingly innocuous ways.

Like the thread that a poster asked what might be a good gift for godparents? Some troll had to comment “nothing.” Just a little something to say hey, I don’t respect your right to have discussion here, and I will add an immature little comment that detracts from the thread to let you all know that.

And on this thread, someone had to ask about a fictional city to somehow detract from actual archeological discoveries. Someone (or several someones) is obsessed and probably disturbed, a terrible combination.

+1. What a sad way to lead your life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think Atlantis will ever be found?

Unlike many legends whose origins have been lost in the mists of time, we know exactly when and where the story of Atlantis first appeared. The story was first told in two of Plato's dialogues, the "Timaeus" and the "Critias," written about 360 B.C.

It's clear that Plato made up Atlantis as a plot device for his stories, because there no other records of it anywhere else in the world.

Plato, however, is crystal clear about where Atlantis is: "For the ocean there was at that time navigable; for in front of the mouth which you Greeks call, as you say, 'the pillars of Heracles,' (i.e., Hercules) there lay an island which was larger than Libya and Asia together."

The most obvious sign that Atlantis is a myth is that no trace of it has ever been found despite advances in oceanography and ocean floor mapping in past decades. For nearly two millennia readers could be forgiven for suspecting that the vast depths might somehow hide a sunken city or continent. Though there remains much mystery at the bottom of the world's oceans, it is inconceivable that the world's oceanographers, submariners, and deep-sea probes have some how missed a landmass "larger than Libya and Asia together."

https://www.livescience.com/23217-lost-city-of-atlantis.html

no, because ocean floor mapping has proved it doesn’t exist.

what does Plato’s “Atlantis” have to do with the Bible, religion, or the topic of this thread?

Furthermore plate tectonics demonstrate that Atlantis is impossible; as the continents have drifted, the seafloor has spread over time, not contracted. There would simply be no place for Atlantis to sink into. As Ken Feder notes, "The geology is clear; there could have been no large land surface that then sank in the area where Plato places Atlantis. Together, modern archaeology and geology provide an unambiguous verdict: There was no Atlantic continent; there was no great civilization called Atlantis."

Atlantis (Ancient Greek: Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος, romanized: Atlantìs nêsos, lit. 'island of Atlas') is a fictional island mentioned in an allegory on the hubris of nations in Plato's works Timaeus and Critias, wherein it represents the antagonist naval power that besieges "Ancient Athens", the pseudo-historic embodiment of Plato's ideal state in The Republic.

This really has nothing to do with this thread. Inviting discussion around most significant of recent archeological discoveries related to biblical stories.

You could start your own thread regarding most significant archeological discoveries that have never taken place.

It does underscore how remarkable it was to unearth an entire ancient Egyptian city though.

It really is remarkable. That’s probably why some troll decided to disrupt the thread and bring Atlantis into the discussion.

Thank you.

If it was a troll, I should be glad they say unkind things for no reason.

Sorry meant to say - did not say particularly unkind things. Just odd and unrelated. But not being inflammatory is good.

Some of the particularly persistent trolls here interrupt and go off topic on almost every thread in seemingly innocuous ways.

Like the thread that a poster asked what might be a good gift for godparents? Some troll had to comment “nothing.” Just a little something to say hey, I don’t respect your right to have discussion here, and I will add an immature little comment that detracts from the thread to let you all know that.

And on this thread, someone had to ask about a fictional city to somehow detract from actual archeological discoveries. Someone (or several someones) is obsessed and probably disturbed, a terrible combination.

+1. What a sad way to lead your life.

+2 I agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The greatest artifact ever is the shroud of Turin. The inexplicable and impossible to replicate features combined with being an image of crucified Jesus makes it the most fascinating object in human history.

? You know it has been verified a fraud.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The greatest artifact ever is the shroud of Turin. The inexplicable and impossible to replicate features combined with being an image of crucified Jesus makes it the most fascinating object in human history.

? You know it has been verified a fraud.

scientific analysis of the blood stains on the shroud prove unequivocally that it is a hoax. https://www.livescience.com/63093-shroud-of-turin-is-fake-bloodstains.html

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The greatest artifact ever is the shroud of Turin. The inexplicable and impossible to replicate features combined with being an image of crucified Jesus makes it the most fascinating object in human history.

? You know it has been verified a fraud.

Scholarly analyses—attempting to use scientific methods to prove or disprove its authenticity—have been applied to the shroud since the late 19th century. It was early noticed (1898) that the sepia-tone images on the shroud seem to have the character of photographic negatives rather than positives. Beginning in the 1970s, tests were made to determine whether the images were the result of paints (or other pigments), scorches, or other agents; none of the tests proved conclusive. In 1988 the Vatican provided three laboratories in different countries with postage-stamp-sized pieces of the shroud’s linen cloth. Having subjected these samples to carbon-14 dating, all three laboratories concluded that the cloth of the shroud had been made sometime between 1260 and 1390. However, some scientists raised doubts about the researchers’ methodology. Upon receiving the results of the tests, the Vatican encouraged scientists to conduct further investigations of the shroud’s authenticity and recommended that Christians continue to venerate the shroud as an inspiring image of Christ.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Shroud-of-Turin

No one knows or agrees about the shroud.

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Anonymous wrote:The greatest artifact ever is the shroud of Turin. The inexplicable and impossible to replicate features combined with being an image of crucified Jesus makes it the most fascinating object in human history.

Ok fair point but we are talking about recent discoveries - it is exciting that we still can make incredible new archeological discoveries that give us insights into the past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The greatest artifact ever is the shroud of Turin. The inexplicable and impossible to replicate features combined with being an image of crucified Jesus makes it the most fascinating object in human history.

Ok fair point but we are talking about recent discoveries - it is exciting that we still can make incredible new archeological discoveries that give us insights into the past.

+1

Sorry people are threadjacking, op. Atlantis and the Shroud of Turin need their own threads. You are correct to point this out and try to keep the thread on topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The greatest artifact ever is the shroud of Turin. The inexplicable and impossible to replicate features combined with being an image of crucified Jesus makes it the most fascinating object in human history.

Ok fair point but we are talking about recent discoveries - it is exciting that we still can make incredible new archeological discoveries that give us insights into the past.

+1

Sorry people are threadjacking, op. Atlantis and the Shroud of Turin need their own threads. You are correct to point this out and try to keep the thread on topic.

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Thank you. I appreciate it. Plus there really are so many extraordinary recent archeological discoveries related to Bible stories or completed excavations of previous discoveries.

For example: this one may take us back to the earthquake recorded at the time of the crucifixion.
A Temple Mount banquet hall

A luxurious public building located next to the Temple Mount has been excavated and opened to public tours. Part of the building was first discovered by British archaeologist Charles Warren in 1867, and the site was partially excavated in 1966. Now that the excavation is complete, archaeologists have dated its construction to A.D. 20—during the lifetime of Jesus.

The building contained two identical chambers, separated by an elaborate fountain. The luxurious nature of the facility and its adjacency to the Temple Mount indicates it was probably used by the elite members of the first-century Jewish community, the families of the high priests, and other leading religious figures.

Archaeologists say it was damaged by an earthquake in A.D. 33, then later rebuilt and reconfigured into three vaulted halls. The destruction date suggests possible evidence of the earthquake recorded in the Gospel accounts at the crucifixion of Jesus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The greatest artifact ever is the shroud of Turin. The inexplicable and impossible to replicate features combined with being an image of crucified Jesus makes it the most fascinating object in human history.

Ok fair point but we are talking about recent discoveries - it is exciting that we still can make incredible new archeological discoveries that give us insights into the past.

+1

Sorry people are threadjacking, op. Atlantis and the Shroud of Turin need their own threads. You are correct to point this out and try to keep the thread on topic.

m

Thank you. I appreciate it. Plus there really are so many extraordinary recent archeological discoveries related to Bible stories or completed excavations of previous discoveries.

For example: this one may take us back to the earthquake recorded at the time of the crucifixion.
A Temple Mount banquet hall

A luxurious public building located next to the Temple Mount has been excavated and opened to public tours. Part of the building was first discovered by British archaeologist Charles Warren in 1867, and the site was partially excavated in 1966. Now that the excavation is complete, archaeologists have dated its construction to A.D. 20—during the lifetime of Jesus.

The building contained two identical chambers, separated by an elaborate fountain. The luxurious nature of the facility and its adjacency to the Temple Mount indicates it was probably used by the elite members of the first-century Jewish community, the families of the high priests, and other leading religious figures.

Archaeologists say it was damaged by an earthquake in A.D. 33, then later rebuilt and reconfigured into three vaulted halls. The destruction date suggests possible evidence of the earthquake recorded in the Gospel accounts at the crucifixion of Jesus.

There are archaeological discoveries that confirm biblical places and events constantly! Thank you for sharing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The greatest artifact ever is the shroud of Turin. The inexplicable and impossible to replicate features combined with being an image of crucified Jesus makes it the most fascinating object in human history.

? You know it has been verified a fraud.

scientific analysis of the blood stains on the shroud prove unequivocally that it is a hoax. https://www.livescience.com/63093-shroud-of-turin-is-fake-bloodstains.html

The pigment cannot be identified or duplicated. The depth of pigmentation is miraculously equal on the entire artifact
Which cannot be duplicated. The image is a photographic negative type image at least centuries before photography. The image has 3 dimensional qualities unable to be duplicated. How curious that the only artifact unable to be duplicated by modern technology is an image of crucified Jesus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The greatest artifact ever is the shroud of Turin. The inexplicable and impossible to replicate features combined with being an image of crucified Jesus makes it the most fascinating object in human history.

? You know it has been verified a fraud.

scientific analysis of the blood stains on the shroud prove unequivocally that it is a hoax. https://www.livescience.com/63093-shroud-of-turin-is-fake-bloodstains.html

“Still, whether or not the shroud is a fake is still a hotly debated question.”

this is a quote from your link.

Charles Q. Choi is a contributing writer for Live Science and Space.com. He covers all things human origins and astronomy as well as physics, animals and general science topics. Charles has a Master of Arts degree from the University of Missouri-Columbia, School of Journalism and a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of South Florida.

Plus, the person who wrote the article you linked is not a scientist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The greatest artifact ever is the shroud of Turin. The inexplicable and impossible to replicate features combined with being an image of crucified Jesus makes it the most fascinating object in human history.

? You know it has been verified a fraud.

scientific analysis of the blood stains on the shroud prove unequivocally that it is a hoax. https://www.livescience.com/63093-shroud-of-turin-is-fake-bloodstains.html

“Still, whether or not the shroud is a fake is still a hotly debated question.”

this is a quote from your link.

Charles Q. Choi is a contributing writer for Live Science and Space.com. He covers all things human origins and astronomy as well as physics, animals and general science topics. Charles has a Master of Arts degree from the University of Missouri-Columbia, School of Journalism and a Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of South Florida.

Plus, the person who wrote the article you linked is not a scientist.

OP - I had believed that the shroud of Turin purported to be the burial Cloth of Jesus was a fake because the Radiocarbon dating tests conducted in the 1980s concluded that the shroud dated to the 13th–14th century.

However interestingly, evidence for an earthquake at Jesus crucifixion that was supported by a recent archeological Discovery reopens this assumption for new consideration. So although I thought adding in the Shroud of Turin was a bit random and not recent enough discovery for this thread - it does seem to be connected to more recent archeological discoveries.

A 2014 study in the journal Meccanica claims that an earthquake that hit Jerusalem in 33 C.E. may have increased the shroud’s carbon-14 levels—putting into doubt the accuracy of the original radiocarbon testing.

The Shroud of Turin: Relic or Forgery?
New study claims an ancient earthquake can shed light on the Shroud of Turin

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/news/the-shroud-of-turin-relic-or-forgery/


If the story does check out, it seems the Shroud of Turin (the mandylion) had a long and complicated journey from Jesus’ disciple Thaddeus to Turin. What an violent Odyssey from its healing King Abgar in Edessa in modern Turkey to the Byzantine capital of Constantinople to France via the Fourth Crusade Knoghts Templar to England, back to France and eventually to the Cathedral of John the Baptist in Turin, Italy.

[Anonymous]

How does the word “fake” even apply to the only artifact in human possession that modern technology cannot replicate with all the resources of the world being an image of crucified Christ?

And the standard should be to replicate it with 13th century technology to satisfy the skeptics. As a scientist and a contrarian the willful obfuscation always perks my instincts directly over the target.