Restaurant denies Christian group service over its anti-abortion and LGBTQ stances

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean only Christian fundamentalists are allowed to discriminate when a gay couple wants a cake made for their wedding?

That was my first thought. If they're ok with businesses denying gay couples service, then they have to be ok with the same treatment on themselves.

These aren't the same situation at all. Please educate yourself.

Why don't you educate us?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean only Christian fundamentalists are allowed to discriminate when a gay couple wants a cake made for their wedding?

That was my first thought. If they're ok with businesses denying gay couples service, then they have to be ok with the same treatment on themselves.

These aren't the same situation at all. Please educate yourself.

What is different? Educate us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You mean only Christian fundamentalists are allowed to discriminate when a gay couple wants a cake made for their wedding?

That was my first thought. If they're ok with businesses denying gay couples service, then they have to be ok with the same treatment on themselves.

These aren't the same situation at all. Please educate yourself.

So discrimination against gay people is OK, because... Jesus?

Oh wait, not Jesus. He never said a thing about gay people, he only talked about loving your neighbors. So please educate me on the whole God-told-me-to-hate-gay-people thing and why it's different from the whole God-told-me-not-to-eat-shrimp thing.

And then educate me on why it's not ok to discriminate against people who hate.

[Anonymous]

Well either it's always wrong, or it's always OK. Which is it?

Can restaurants refuse service to conservative Christians AND graphic designers refuse to make websites for gay couples?

I say no. Neither should be allowed. I think both examples set awful precedents.

I don't want to live in a country where when I enter. store or a restaurant people can refuse me service b/c my child is trans or I am Jewish.

That means I have to be willing to serve/accommodate people with whom I disagree.

It's being part of a multicultural pluralistic society.

[Anonymous]

Political views aren't protected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, just like certain businesses, don’t want to serve or assist, gay and lesbians, why shouldn’t businesses be able to say they don’t want to serve or assist those who discriminate against gays and lesbians.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well either it's always wrong, or it's always OK. Which is it?

Can restaurants refuse service to conservative Christians AND graphic designers refuse to make websites for gay couples?

I say no. Neither should be allowed. I think both examples set awful precedents.

I don't want to live in a country where when I enter. store or a restaurant people can refuse me service b/c my child is trans or I am Jewish.

That means I have to be willing to serve/accommodate people with whom I disagree.

It's being part of a multicultural pluralistic society.

I'm fine with people who have Nazi or Nazi adjacent views being refused service

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well either it's always wrong, or it's always OK. Which is it?

Can restaurants refuse service to conservative Christians AND graphic designers refuse to make websites for gay couples?

I say no. Neither should be allowed. I think both examples set awful precedents.

I don't want to live in a country where when I enter. store or a restaurant people can refuse me service b/c my child is trans or I am Jewish.

That means I have to be willing to serve/accommodate people with whom I disagree.

It's being part of a multicultural pluralistic society.

Ah, the paradox of tolerance. We have to tolerate bigots and white supremacists and misogynists because otherwise they won't tolerate Jews and transpeople.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Political views aren't protected.

+1 They weren't discriminated against for going to church, it was for their demonstrated support (including financial) of hateful political ideologies. This is like whining that if the KKK can't throw a party somewhere it's discrimination because they're white - no, it's because they're bigots. Other white people can have a party, just like I'm certain thousands of Christians have eaten at this restaurant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Political views aren't protected.

+1 They weren't discriminated against for going to church, it was for their demonstrated support (including financial) of hateful political ideologies. This is like whining that if the KKK can't throw a party somewhere it's discrimination because they're white - no, it's because they're bigots. Other white people can have a party, just like I'm certain thousands of Christians have eaten at this restaurant.

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I bet my church could host a dinner there, no problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Political views aren't protected.

So are we now at the point where Republicans can discriminate against Democrats and Democrats discriminate against Republicans? This is insanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Political views aren't protected.

So are we now at the point where Republicans can discriminate against Democrats and Democrats discriminate against Republicans? This is insanity.

Just say you don't understand discrimination laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Political views aren't protected.

So are we now at the point where Republicans can discriminate against Democrats and Democrats discriminate against Republicans? This is insanity.

Just say you don't understand discrimination laws.

Right? We were always at the point where that could happen. Because political party isn't a protected class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well either it's always wrong, or it's always OK. Which is it?

Can restaurants refuse service to conservative Christians AND graphic designers refuse to make websites for gay couples?

I say no. Neither should be allowed. I think both examples set awful precedents.

I don't want to live in a country where when I enter. store or a restaurant people can refuse me service b/c my child is trans or I am Jewish.

That means I have to be willing to serve/accommodate people with whom I disagree.

It's being part of a multicultural pluralistic society.

Ah, the paradox of tolerance. We have to tolerate bigots and white supremacists and misogynists because otherwise they won't tolerate Jews and transpeople.

Yes, it is the paradox of tolerance. As a Jew, I prefer to err on the side of serving the occasional Nazi. I really don't believe there are that many Nazis in the U.S. to begin with, and it is a very slippery slope when business owners get to decide who they want to serve or not.

Yes it can be uncomfortable at times, but I will take that over the country devolving on tribal lines like Lebanon or other countries where interaction between different political and religious groups is not done at all.

I guess I am still an old fashioned liberal in that I believe bigots will be better served (no pun intended) by exposure to a multicultural society than they will by siloing themselves away. My goal is to change hearts and minds, and if not, then at least create a culture of respect and tolerance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Political views aren't protected.

So are we now at the point where Republicans can discriminate against Democrats and Democrats discriminate against Republicans? This is insanity.

No, apparently we're still at the point where Republicans can discriminate against anyone they don't like and Democrats have to be doormats.