Why are red states keeping colleges more affordable ?

[Anonymous]

Is this the same poster with the entirely data-free post about students flocking to southern colleges? Weird kind of trolling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The cost of living is significantly lower in red states. Lower salaries, lower construction costs, lower HVAC bills, etc. That accounts for pretty much all of the discrepancy.

What about the generous merit aid they give their residents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They aren’t. Colleges in red and blue states have a similar price tags. But, smaller colleges cost more than huge colleges.



Numbers below are instate, 2020-2021 SY. U of Florida is cheap at $6032. But besides that, there is little to no tuition difference between Similarly sized schools in red and blue states.

Virginia:

VT. $14,124
JMU $12, 638
ODU $10,800
VCU $15,319
CNU $14,024
UMW $13,800

Vs:

Red States

Clemson: $15,558
U of S. Carolina $12,688
UGA $12,068
GT $12,852
UT $13,244
UAB $11,620
Ole Miss, $9028
U LA $11,958
Auburn $11,826
U Indiana $11,333

Vs

Blue States

U Wisconsin $10,720
U of M, just over $15,000
UMD $10,955
U Washington $12,076
UC Bolder $12,496

The NE State schools are more like 15k-16k. But like UVA and WM, they are much smaller. U Delaware $15,020, but only 18k undergrad students, about the same size as UVA. In comparison WM is 6500 undergrad and UGA 30k undergrad.

You’re ignoring very generous merit aid programs. For example, FL, GA, & AL all guarantee merit scholarships to any in state student with good grades. Any student in GA with a 3.0 gpa is eligible for the Hope Scholarship. Any GA student with a 3.7 gpa is eligible for the Zell Miller Scholarship, which is full tuition. I have a relative, who was a good student, but not “perfect” and would have been full pay at my other school, attending Georgia Tech for the cost of room and board. It’s an amazing deal. AL & FL are similar. I’m not aware of any similar program in Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this the same poster with the entirely data-free post about students flocking to southern colleges? Weird kind of trolling.

I was the OP of the other thread and this one wasn’t me.

[Anonymous]

Where does the GA scholarship money come from? Is it also the lottery?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where does the GA scholarship money come from? Is it also the lottery?

I don’t know but a lot of students get it .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Blue states are too? UOregon is affordable for most and they have scholarship programs for low income. Plus it’s pretty easy to get in. People in the DMV are just getting especially boned by a lack of access to state flagships.

Why is u of o and osu ranked so much worse than uf and uga?

Probably because they admit tons of in-state students even if they don’t have top statistics. Which, frankly, I think UVA should also do. State flagships should not be exclusive institutions.

There are only so many seats in the classrooms and freshman available beds. the size has to be limited to those two functions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They aren’t. Colleges in red and blue states have a similar price tags. But, smaller colleges cost more than huge colleges.



Numbers below are instate, 2020-2021 SY. U of Florida is cheap at $6032. But besides that, there is little to no tuition difference between Similarly sized schools in red and blue states.

Virginia:

VT. $14,124
JMU $12, 638
ODU $10,800
VCU $15,319
CNU $14,024
UMW $13,800

Vs:

Red States

Clemson: $15,558
U of S. Carolina $12,688
UGA $12,068
GT $12,852
UT $13,244
UAB $11,620
Ole Miss, $9028
U LA $11,958
Auburn $11,826
U Indiana $11,333

Vs

Blue States

U Wisconsin $10,720
U of M, just over $15,000
UMD $10,955
U Washington $12,076
UC Bolder $12,496

The NE State schools are more like 15k-16k. But like UVA and WM, they are much smaller. U Delaware $15,020, but only 18k undergrad students, about the same size as UVA. In comparison WM is 6500 undergrad and UGA 30k undergrad.

And lucky Illinois: $17,138-$22,324 in-state with virtually no merit, no scholarship programs and no financial assistance unless your income is extremely low. Top students have been leaving the state for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Specially Georgia and Florida .
Tuition is affordable and they give a lot of in state merit aid to students.

That's what my Texan friends have, low tuition at UT and A&M flagships and tons of scholarships at regional campuses.

[Anonymous]

Texas is a prosperous state with money, jobs and businesses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They aren’t. Colleges in red and blue states have a similar price tags. But, smaller colleges cost more than huge colleges.



Numbers below are instate, 2020-2021 SY. U of Florida is cheap at $6032. But besides that, there is little to no tuition difference between Similarly sized schools in red and blue states.

Virginia:

VT. $14,124
JMU $12, 638
ODU $10,800
VCU $15,319
CNU $14,024
UMW $13,800

Vs:

Red States

Clemson: $15,558
U of S. Carolina $12,688
UGA $12,068
GT $12,852
UT $13,244
UAB $11,620
Ole Miss, $9028
U LA $11,958
Auburn $11,826
U Indiana $11,333

Vs

Blue States

U Wisconsin $10,720
U of M, just over $15,000
UMD $10,955
U Washington $12,076
UC Bolder $12,496

The NE State schools are more like 15k-16k. But like UVA and WM, they are much smaller. U Delaware $15,020, but only 18k undergrad students, about the same size as UVA. In comparison WM is 6500 undergrad and UGA 30k undergrad.

You’re ignoring very generous merit aid programs. For example, FL, GA, & AL all guarantee merit scholarships to any in state student with good grades. Any student in GA with a 3.0 gpa is eligible for the Hope Scholarship. Any GA student with a 3.7 gpa is eligible for the Zell Miller Scholarship, which is full tuition. I have a relative, who was a good student, but not “perfect” and would have been full pay at my other school, attending Georgia Tech for the cost of room and board. It’s an amazing deal. AL & FL are similar. I’m not aware of any similar program in Virginia.

The "blue state" state schools like UW, UWisc, UMich, UMD do NOT need to give merit to attract instate students. Getting into all of those schools in-state is extremely difficult, especially for engineering/CS, even with high scores/gpa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The cost of living is significantly lower in red states. Lower salaries, lower construction costs, lower HVAC bills, etc. That accounts for pretty much all of the discrepancy.

This, plus the western states (tend to be red) had big land grant schools, which was not the case in the NE.
Plus about 20 years ago, a lot of the red states got rid of affirmative action and in doing so gave scholarships to the top x% of each HS class -- because HS in this country tend to be racially unbalanced due to housing realities, that was a moderately effective way of ensuring that they got decent racial diversity. Texas and Arizona are the two examples I'm thinking of, but I think there were others. The blue states didn't do that, but should have done it. (I'm not anti-affirmative action, I just think that public universities should be giving much more merit aid to the top students at all public HS. If you do great at your public HS, even if it's not a great public HS, you should get into the flagship and get merit aid to go there.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They aren’t. Colleges in red and blue states have a similar price tags. But, smaller colleges cost more than huge colleges.



Numbers below are instate, 2020-2021 SY. U of Florida is cheap at $6032. But besides that, there is little to no tuition difference between Similarly sized schools in red and blue states.

Virginia:

VT. $14,124
JMU $12, 638
ODU $10,800
VCU $15,319
CNU $14,024
UMW $13,800

Vs:

Red States

Clemson: $15,558
U of S. Carolina $12,688
UGA $12,068
GT $12,852
UT $13,244
UAB $11,620
Ole Miss, $9028
U LA $11,958
Auburn $11,826
U Indiana $11,333

Vs

Blue States

U Wisconsin $10,720
U of M, just over $15,000
UMD $10,955
U Washington $12,076
UC Bolder $12,496

The NE State schools are more like 15k-16k. But like UVA and WM, they are much smaller. U Delaware $15,020, but only 18k undergrad students, about the same size as UVA. In comparison WM is 6500 undergrad and UGA 30k undergrad.

You’re ignoring very generous merit aid programs. For example, FL, GA, & AL all guarantee merit scholarships to any in state student with good grades. Any student in GA with a 3.0 gpa is eligible for the Hope Scholarship. Any GA student with a 3.7 gpa is eligible for the Zell Miller Scholarship, which is full tuition. I have a relative, who was a good student, but not “perfect” and would have been full pay at my other school, attending Georgia Tech for the cost of room and board. It’s an amazing deal. AL & FL are similar. I’m not aware of any similar program in Virginia.

Wow. 3.7 doesn't even get you into most colleges in Virginia much less full tuition.

[Anonymous]

Do you think they have a smaller pool of applicants who want to go to college? I think Virginia and Maryland have a lot of applicants per their populations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The cost of living is significantly lower in red states. Lower salaries, lower construction costs, lower HVAC bills, etc. That accounts for pretty much all of the discrepancy.

This, plus the western states (tend to be red) had big land grant schools, which was not the case in the NE.
Plus about 20 years ago, a lot of the red states got rid of affirmative action and in doing so gave scholarships to the top x% of each HS class -- because HS in this country tend to be racially unbalanced due to housing realities, that was a moderately effective way of ensuring that they got decent racial diversity. Texas and Arizona are the two examples I'm thinking of, but I think there were others. The blue states didn't do that, but should have done it. (I'm not anti-affirmative action, I just think that public universities should be giving much more merit aid to the top students at all public HS. If you do great at your public HS, even if it's not a great public HS, you should get into the flagship and get merit aid to go there.)

That was the hope, but it didn’t pan out. Percentages of Black students have gone down.