Who owns the electric school buses?

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Anonymous wrote:Highland Electric Fleet is the vendor for the "electrification as a service" contract, which I'll be honest and say I don't fully understand. This story contains a link to the Board of Education resolution: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

Will they use the diesel engines in the current busses to generate electricity for the new electric busses?

Well, there did you think electricity comes from?

Far easier to clean up thousands of power plants than millions of tailpipes. And, no, grid electricity in the US doesn't generally come from diesel.

Coal then...

For Maryland, about 40% of the electricity is generated by natural gas and another 40% is generated by nuclear. About 10% by coal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Highland Electric Fleet is the vendor for the "electrification as a service" contract, which I'll be honest and say I don't fully understand. This story contains a link to the Board of Education resolution: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

Will they use the diesel engines in the current busses to generate electricity for the new electric busses?

Well, there did you think electricity comes from?

Far easier to clean up thousands of power plants than millions of tailpipes. And, no, grid electricity in the US doesn't generally come from diesel.

Coal then...

For Maryland, about 40% of the electricity is generated by natural gas and another 40% is generated by nuclear. About 10% by coal.

Not according to the State of Maryland
https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=MD#tabs-4

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Highland Electric Fleet is the vendor for the "electrification as a service" contract, which I'll be honest and say I don't fully understand. This story contains a link to the Board of Education resolution: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

Will they use the diesel engines in the current busses to generate electricity for the new electric busses?

Well, there did you think electricity comes from?

Far easier to clean up thousands of power plants than millions of tailpipes. And, no, grid electricity in the US doesn't generally come from diesel.

Coal then...

For Maryland, about 40% of the electricity is generated by natural gas and another 40% is generated by nuclear. About 10% by coal.

Anonymous wrote:Not according to the State of Maryland
https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=MD#tabs-4

That's roughly what your linked graph shows.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Highland Electric Fleet is the vendor for the "electrification as a service" contract, which I'll be honest and say I don't fully understand. This story contains a link to the Board of Education resolution: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

Will they use the diesel engines in the current busses to generate electricity for the new electric busses?

Well, there did you think electricity comes from?

Far easier to clean up thousands of power plants than millions of tailpipes. And, no, grid electricity in the US doesn't generally come from diesel.

Coal then...

For Maryland, about 40% of the electricity is generated by natural gas and another 40% is generated by nuclear. About 10% by coal.

Anonymous wrote:Not according to the State of Maryland
https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=MD#tabs-4

That's roughly what your linked graph shows.

Using MCPS math?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The electric buses are not doing well even in the transit world.

Louisville spent a lot of money on them and they are not using them. It is one of those things that was not thought out very well.

https://www.wdrb.com/news/after-spending-millions-tarcs-downtown-louisville-electric-bus-fleet-sits-idle/article_d1c0cf82-5c75-11ed-b20a-abd9c4a95f78.html

Sounds exactly like MCPS. If there is a way to waste taxpayer money, MCPS and the BOE will find it.

As we found out in this last election, voters approve of the way the BOE operates, so why not?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Highland Electric Fleet is the vendor for the "electrification as a service" contract, which I'll be honest and say I don't fully understand. This story contains a link to the Board of Education resolution: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

Will they use the diesel engines in the current busses to generate electricity for the new electric busses?

Well, there did you think electricity comes from?

Far easier to clean up thousands of power plants than millions of tailpipes. And, no, grid electricity in the US doesn't generally come from diesel.

Coal then...

For Maryland, about 40% of the electricity is generated by natural gas and another 40% is generated by nuclear. About 10% by coal.

Anonymous wrote:Not according to the State of Maryland
https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=MD#tabs-4

That's roughly what your linked graph shows.

Using MCPS math?

44%, 37%, and 13%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Highland Electric Fleet is the vendor for the "electrification as a service" contract, which I'll be honest and say I don't fully understand. This story contains a link to the Board of Education resolution: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

Will they use the diesel engines in the current busses to generate electricity for the new electric busses?

Well, there did you think electricity comes from?

Far easier to clean up thousands of power plants than millions of tailpipes. And, no, grid electricity in the US doesn't generally come from diesel.

Coal then...

For Maryland, about 40% of the electricity is generated by natural gas and another 40% is generated by nuclear. About 10% by coal.

Anonymous wrote:Not according to the State of Maryland
https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=MD#tabs-4

That's roughly what your linked graph shows.

The quoted website stated that for July 2022, MD use more natural gas than nuclear for that month. Right above the graph in the quick fact section, it stated that "In 2020, Maryland’s only nuclear power plant--the Calvert Cliffs power station--accounted for 41% of the state's total electricity net generation."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Highland Electric Fleet is the vendor for the "electrification as a service" contract, which I'll be honest and say I don't fully understand. This story contains a link to the Board of Education resolution: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

Will they use the diesel engines in the current busses to generate electricity for the new electric busses?

Well, there did you think electricity comes from?

Far easier to clean up thousands of power plants than millions of tailpipes. And, no, grid electricity in the US doesn't generally come from diesel.

Coal then...

For Maryland, about 40% of the electricity is generated by natural gas and another 40% is generated by nuclear. About 10% by coal.

Anonymous wrote:Not according to the State of Maryland
https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=MD#tabs-4

That's roughly what your linked graph shows.

The quoted website stated that for July 2022, MD use more natural gas than nuclear for that month. Right above the graph in the quick fact section, it stated that "In 2020, Maryland’s only nuclear power plant--the Calvert Cliffs power station--accounted for 41% of the state's total electricity net generation."

busses really powered by fossil fuels or nuclear waste ...

[Anonymous]

Did the County ever figure out if the electrical grid could handle the additional load recharging all of these buses? I'm not talking about installing more charging stations, but about having sufficient electrical capacity to prevent brownouts and power outages?

And did MCPS figure out how all these buses will be charged without leaving them unmonitored or left on chargers at night (which is a safety hazard - it's poured buckets last night, so electricity and water don't mix well)? Or what they'll do if it gets too hot to safely recharge? (ex. similar to leaving your iPhone on your dashboard in summer and trying to charge it when it's overheated)

Does anyone know if MCPS is going to build massive solar bus shelters with rechargers instead of everything being exposed to the elements?

Trying to figure out whether this is a really well done plan, or just another MCPS boondoggle the taxpayer will need to pay for somewhere down the line?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did the County ever figure out if the electrical grid could handle the additional load recharging all of these buses? I'm not talking about installing more charging stations, but about having sufficient electrical capacity to prevent brownouts and power outages?

And did MCPS figure out how all these buses will be charged without leaving them unmonitored or left on chargers at night (which is a safety hazard - it's poured buckets last night, so electricity and water don't mix well)? Or what they'll do if it gets too hot to safely recharge? (ex. similar to leaving your iPhone on your dashboard in summer and trying to charge it when it's overheated)

Does anyone know if MCPS is going to build massive solar bus shelters with rechargers instead of everything being exposed to the elements?

Trying to figure out whether this is a really well done plan, or just another MCPS boondoggle the taxpayer will need to pay for somewhere down the line?

All great questions and I hope MCPS has answers or has thought about it in any RFP. However, if the electric school-bus contract is really a "service"-type contract as shown by other PPs before, we can expect MCPS to simply point finger or direct these questions to the contractor

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did the County ever figure out if the electrical grid could handle the additional load recharging all of these buses? I'm not talking about installing more charging stations, but about having sufficient electrical capacity to prevent brownouts and power outages?

And did MCPS figure out how all these buses will be charged without leaving them unmonitored or left on chargers at night (which is a safety hazard - it's poured buckets last night, so electricity and water don't mix well)? Or what they'll do if it gets too hot to safely recharge? (ex. similar to leaving your iPhone on your dashboard in summer and trying to charge it when it's overheated)

Does anyone know if MCPS is going to build massive solar bus shelters with rechargers instead of everything being exposed to the elements?

Trying to figure out whether this is a really well done plan, or just another MCPS boondoggle the taxpayer will need to pay for somewhere down the line?

All great questions and I hope MCPS has answers or has thought about it in any RFP. However, if the electric school-bus contract is really a "service"-type contract as shown by other PPs before, we can expect MCPS to simply point finger or direct these questions to the contractor

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

Here is the approved contract

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/BYDNVD5E2144/$file/Cont%20Apprv%20RFP%209462.1%20Electrification%20Sch%20Buses.pdf

Specifically, "MCPS will acquire electric and diesel replacement school buses for the next two school years. Subsequently, all replacement school buses will be electric. The contract calls for 25 electric buses for fall 2021, 61 additional electric buses in fall 2022, and approximately 120 electric buses (one-twelfth of the fleet), each year thereafter."

I wonder where are those 80+ electric buses are and how they are doing in real life. I hope our new BOE members will ask about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did the County ever figure out if the electrical grid could handle the additional load recharging all of these buses? I'm not talking about installing more charging stations, but about having sufficient electrical capacity to prevent brownouts and power outages?

And did MCPS figure out how all these buses will be charged without leaving them unmonitored or left on chargers at night (which is a safety hazard - it's poured buckets last night, so electricity and water don't mix well)? Or what they'll do if it gets too hot to safely recharge? (ex. similar to leaving your iPhone on your dashboard in summer and trying to charge it when it's overheated)

Does anyone know if MCPS is going to build massive solar bus shelters with rechargers instead of everything being exposed to the elements?

Trying to figure out whether this is a really well done plan, or just another MCPS boondoggle the taxpayer will need to pay for somewhere down the line?

No
No
They aren't MCPS' buses.
They aren't MCPS' buses. MCPS will not be building solar panels for someone else's buses.
Same person who embezzled millions from MCPS set up this plan. What does that tell you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did the County ever figure out if the electrical grid could handle the additional load recharging all of these buses? I'm not talking about installing more charging stations, but about having sufficient electrical capacity to prevent brownouts and power outages?

And did MCPS figure out how all these buses will be charged without leaving them unmonitored or left on chargers at night (which is a safety hazard - it's poured buckets last night, so electricity and water don't mix well)? Or what they'll do if it gets too hot to safely recharge? (ex. similar to leaving your iPhone on your dashboard in summer and trying to charge it when it's overheated)

When you post link to tabloids like that it's hard to take your claims seriously Sources matter.

Does anyone know if MCPS is going to build massive solar bus shelters with rechargers instead of everything being exposed to the elements?

Trying to figure out whether this is a really well done plan, or just another MCPS boondoggle the taxpayer will need to pay for somewhere down the line?

All great questions and I hope MCPS has answers or has thought about it in any RFP. However, if the electric school-bus contract is really a "service"-type contract as shown by other PPs before, we can expect MCPS to simply point finger or direct these questions to the contractor

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the County ever figure out if the electrical grid could handle the additional load recharging all of these buses? I'm not talking about installing more charging stations, but about having sufficient electrical capacity to prevent brownouts and power outages?

And did MCPS figure out how all these buses will be charged without leaving them unmonitored or left on chargers at night (which is a safety hazard - it's poured buckets last night, so electricity and water don't mix well)? Or what they'll do if it gets too hot to safely recharge? (ex. similar to leaving your iPhone on your dashboard in summer and trying to charge it when it's overheated)

When you post link to tabloids like that it's hard to take your claims seriously Sources matter.

Does anyone know if MCPS is going to build massive solar bus shelters with rechargers instead of everything being exposed to the elements?

Trying to figure out whether this is a really well done plan, or just another MCPS boondoggle the taxpayer will need to pay for somewhere down the line?

All great questions and I hope MCPS has answers or has thought about it in any RFP. However, if the electric school-bus contract is really a "service"-type contract as shown by other PPs before, we can expect MCPS to simply point finger or direct these questions to the contractor

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

The same person who was canned for embezzlement from MCPS set up this deal. Go find him and ask him your questions. LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did the County ever figure out if the electrical grid could handle the additional load recharging all of these buses? I'm not talking about installing more charging stations, but about having sufficient electrical capacity to prevent brownouts and power outages?

And did MCPS figure out how all these buses will be charged without leaving them unmonitored or left on chargers at night (which is a safety hazard - it's poured buckets last night, so electricity and water don't mix well)? Or what they'll do if it gets too hot to safely recharge? (ex. similar to leaving your iPhone on your dashboard in summer and trying to charge it when it's overheated)

When you post link to tabloids like that it's hard to take your claims seriously Sources matter.

Does anyone know if MCPS is going to build massive solar bus shelters with rechargers instead of everything being exposed to the elements?

Trying to figure out whether this is a really well done plan, or just another MCPS boondoggle the taxpayer will need to pay for somewhere down the line?

All great questions and I hope MCPS has answers or has thought about it in any RFP. However, if the electric school-bus contract is really a "service"-type contract as shown by other PPs before, we can expect MCPS to simply point finger or direct these questions to the contractor

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/maryland-county-electric-school-buses

The same person who was canned for embezzlement from MCPS set up this deal. Go find him and ask him your questions. LOL

OMG OMG so crazy but shouldn't we call these coal-powered busses or nuclear-powered busses since they rely on nuclear and coal? Is MCPS is trying to pull a fast one by mislableing these as electric?