Will colleges in pro-life states see declining enrolment post Dobbs?

[Anonymous]

I predict that the most elite schools in the anti-choice states will lose their sheen in terms of academic pedigree and finance .
The demographic they are most likely to lose are the high stats, full pay girls who could choose to go almost every where. There goes the average SATs of the class.

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Anonymous wrote:Most universities get students from in state and surrounding states. Enrollment is booming to the point of housing crisis at a lot of universities especially Texas, Florida, and Tennessee. I don’t see applications to Vanderbilt going down either. Perhaps the percentage of students from out of state/the Northeast abs West Coast will go down, but those are a relatively small number of students for those schools. Schools also recruit internationally.

I think the risk is more of a long-term effect. Let's say you are one of the flagship universities in the above states - Texas, Florida, or Tennessee. It's not about next year's class, but the quality of your undergrads and grad students in 20 years. It's about who will come for their post grad research and teaching and what papers they will publish and in what journals. It's about your professors and eventually the ability to get your new chemistry, business, or engineering building funded.

The flagship state universities in any state are unlikely to suffer any huge decrease in undergraduate enrollment for simple numbers reasons. It will just be that they may not get the cream of the cream of the crop anymore. And that has long-term trickle down effects that matter.

[Anonymous]

I went to a women's college in the South. I am going to reach out to them to find out if I can donate to to pay for abortion services and travel for any student who needs it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most universities get students from in state and surrounding states. Enrollment is booming to the point of housing crisis at a lot of universities especially Texas, Florida, and Tennessee. I don’t see applications to Vanderbilt going down either. Perhaps the percentage of students from out of state/the Northeast abs West Coast will go down, but those are a relatively small number of students for those schools. Schools also recruit internationally.

I think the risk is more of a long-term effect. Let's say you are one of the flagship universities in the above states - Texas, Florida, or Tennessee. It's not about next year's class, but the quality of your undergrads and grad students in 20 years. It's about who will come for their post grad research and teaching and what papers they will publish and in what journals. It's about your professors and eventually the ability to get your new chemistry, business, or engineering building funded.

The flagship state universities in any state are unlikely to suffer any huge decrease in undergraduate enrollment for simple numbers reasons. It will just be that they may not get the cream of the cream of the crop anymore. And that has long-term trickle down effects that matter.

And medical schools should suffer. What would the best of the best want to study medicine in a place where they are not even free to learn the most advanced and best standards of practicing modern medicine?

[Anonymous]

No

[Anonymous]

One thing that appears to have happened in 2022 is more out of state college students registered to vote in their school location. The abortion decision emphasized to students that they spend most of 4 years under that state’s laws and jurisdiction so they need to vote there.

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Anonymous wrote:Since girls, on average, perform stronger academically than boys, would the US news ranking be affected by declining female enrolment? Also, would a college be financially hit by a decline of full pay out of state and UMC families with options?

What? No one is saying they aren't sending their daughter to college because of Dobbs. They are not sending to red states with severe restrictions. I'm sure with hundreds and hundreds of viable four year colleges people will just shift, not decline to go.

For poor people in red states living in that state anyway, it probably won't make a difference and they will continue to go to those schools.

[Anonymous]

Is set above the biggest issue is going to be securing faculty staff and producing journal articles that get published. Eventually the schools will lose rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to a women's college in the South. I am going to reach out to them to find out if I can donate to to pay for abortion services and travel for any student who needs it.

curious which one? We are looking at one in NC - visited in Sept and my daughter just absolutely loved it

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Anonymous wrote:I would not pay for my daughter to attend school in a state where she could be left to die of an infection in an emergency room, nor for my son to go to school where a youthful error could lead to 18 years of child support payments.

But college students are adults and they could theoretically feel differently than I do, in which case they can pay for school themselves.

Just because abortion is legal in a state does not mean that unmarried women will be forced to get abortions. Your son's "youthful error" could lead to 18 years of child support payments if the woman he impregnates CHOOSES to keep the baby.

An 18-yr. Old in college is highly unlikely to choose to have a child or get married before finishing college.

[Anonymous]

I have a junior DD. Kids are definitely considering if a college is in a red-state and crossing those colleges off their list.

Practically speaking, I can also see elite schools in red-states losing academic prestige and finance. I can see the cream of the crop choosing elsewhere to attend.

Also practically speaking, that means the elite colleges in blue states will now get even more competitive. Would the elite colleges in red states (specifically thinking of the Grinnells, Kenyons, Oberlins) know what is happening and give top students a bit more merit aid to attend?

Would it still be easy to turn down a Haverford at full pay (unless you are super wealthy) for Grinnell/Oberlin/Kenyon at say half price? Or what if your DD doesn't get into a Haverford or any of the other elite colleges in blue states and their options are now Grinnell with hefty merit aid or Gettysburg College?

What about professors? Will professors still want to live in red-states? Or let's be honest, there aren't that many openings at colleges in blue states. Those open positions will also now become competitive.

It is definitely something to think about. I'm not sure how it will play out in my household. Who knows, my DD may not even apply to schools in red states but if she likes those schools despite the fact that they are in red states/gets in with good merit and doesn't get into similarly good schools in blue states? It's a cost benefit analysis and we will definitely be making it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a junior DD. Kids are definitely considering if a college is in a red-state and crossing those colleges off their list.

Practically speaking, I can also see elite schools in red-states losing academic prestige and finance. I can see the cream of the crop choosing elsewhere to attend.

Also practically speaking, that means the elite colleges in blue states will now get even more competitive. Would the elite colleges in red states (specifically thinking of the Grinnells, Kenyons, Oberlins) know what is happening and give top students a bit more merit aid to attend?

Would it still be easy to turn down a Haverford at full pay (unless you are super wealthy) for Grinnell/Oberlin/Kenyon at say half price? Or what if your DD doesn't get into a Haverford or any of the other elite colleges in blue states and their options are now Grinnell with hefty merit aid or Gettysburg College?

What about professors? Will professors still want to live in red-states? Or let's be honest, there aren't that many openings at colleges in blue states. Those open positions will also now become competitive.

It is definitely something to think about. I'm not sure how it will play out in my household. Who knows, my DD may not even apply to schools in red states but if she likes those schools despite the fact that they are in red states/gets in with good merit and doesn't get into similarly good schools in blue states? It's a cost benefit analysis and we will definitely be making it.

You do realize that all of the schools mentioned in your post are very small and also private and already very liberal. Application shifts in these tiny schools are not really significant in impacting the higher education landscape. All of these schools combined don't have the enrollment of one large state school. Very few kids are considering any of these schools in any year. Not sure that Dobbs is making that much of a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a junior DD. Kids are definitely considering if a college is in a red-state and crossing those colleges off their list.

Practically speaking, I can also see elite schools in red-states losing academic prestige and finance. I can see the cream of the crop choosing elsewhere to attend.

Also practically speaking, that means the elite colleges in blue states will now get even more competitive. Would the elite colleges in red states (specifically thinking of the Grinnells, Kenyons, Oberlins) know what is happening and give top students a bit more merit aid to attend?

Would it still be easy to turn down a Haverford at full pay (unless you are super wealthy) for Grinnell/Oberlin/Kenyon at say half price? Or what if your DD doesn't get into a Haverford or any of the other elite colleges in blue states and their options are now Grinnell with hefty merit aid or Gettysburg College?

What about professors? Will professors still want to live in red-states? Or let's be honest, there aren't that many openings at colleges in blue states. Those open positions will also now become competitive.

It is definitely something to think about. I'm not sure how it will play out in my household. Who knows, my DD may not even apply to schools in red states but if she likes those schools despite the fact that they are in red states/gets in with good merit and doesn't get into similarly good schools in blue states? It's a cost benefit analysis and we will definitely be making it.

You do realize that all of the schools mentioned in your post are very small and also private and already very liberal. Application shifts in these tiny schools are not really significant in impacting the higher education landscape. All of these schools combined don't have the enrollment of one large state school. Very few kids are considering any of these schools in any year. Not sure that Dobbs is making that much of a difference.

It is likely to impact trying to attract grad students and faculty. The best may not want to go to a state where women rights are not respected.

[Anonymous]

I won't encourage my daughters to go red. I'll be sure they have IUDs before they go anywhere, that is for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would not pay for my daughter to attend school in a state where she could be left to die of an infection in an emergency room, nor for my son to go to school where a youthful error could lead to 18 years of child support payments.

But college students are adults and they could theoretically feel differently than I do, in which case they can pay for school themselves.

Just because abortion is legal in a state does not mean that unmarried women will be forced to get abortions. Your son's "youthful error" could lead to 18 years of child support payments if the woman he impregnates CHOOSES to keep the baby.

An 18-yr. Old in college is highly unlikely to choose to have a child or get married before finishing college.

Hopefully, those 18 year old college students will be smart and sensible enough to take appropriate precautions to not get pregnant.