Reuters article on trans youth care

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the mom of the trans daughter above. I will just ask again why people care so much about this if it isn't your child? You can see in people's tones that they become very judgmental. Even the article is a little strange because it's not geared to the people who actually have a need for balanced information--which is the parents of kids who come out as trans. It all becomes a lot more confusing when it's your kid and not someone else's theoretical child. But this has just been turned into new fodder for the culture wars, when it actually involves quite a small number of people.

If you have a child who has come out, and you are worried they are making a mistake or just worried in general, I think that's totally normal unless you've always just known they were trans. But why else would you care? Not all lesbians are becoming trans men. It's not really an issue that should concern you.

these are good questions and you have a good point. in the vast majority of cases, this is for parents to decide.

but what does impact me is the way the discussion about transitioning has led to campaings to silence people (including people with an interest in the issue). if a journalist or scientist can get bullied out of researching and writing about trans issues because their views don’t support the orthodoxy, then yeah, that is a problem to me, because it is a dynamic that can extend to any issue.

So you're "concerned" because you're worried about being "canceled" on some other issue?

I’m concerned both about this issue, and accepting this kind of silencing for other issues, yes.

Why are you concerned about this issue?

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NP. I'm concerned because my depressed tween out of the blue announced they were trans this summer, and then our pediatrician during a well child visit off handedly mentioned puberty blockers as a repercussion-free "pause" on puberty, which they absolutely are not. I think the U.S. model of (seemingly) absolute affirmation, with a trend towards medicalization is concerning. A

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the mom of the trans daughter above. I will just ask again why people care so much about this if it isn't your child? You can see in people's tones that they become very judgmental. Even the article is a little strange because it's not geared to the people who actually have a need for balanced information--which is the parents of kids who come out as trans. It all becomes a lot more confusing when it's your kid and not someone else's theoretical child. But this has just been turned into new fodder for the culture wars, when it actually involves quite a small number of people.

If you have a child who has come out, and you are worried they are making a mistake or just worried in general, I think that's totally normal unless you've always just known they were trans. But why else would you care? Not all lesbians are becoming trans men. It's not really an issue that should concern you.

these are good questions and you have a good point. in the vast majority of cases, this is for parents to decide.

but what does impact me is the way the discussion about transitioning has led to campaings to silence people (including people with an interest in the issue). if a journalist or scientist can get bullied out of researching and writing about trans issues because their views don’t support the orthodoxy, then yeah, that is a problem to me, because it is a dynamic that can extend to any issue.

So you're "concerned" because you're worried about being "canceled" on some other issue?

I’m concerned both about this issue, and accepting this kind of silencing for other issues, yes.

Why are you concerned about this issue?

Because it’s an important issue that impacts people, and academic freedom should be preserved for everything. You can’t carve out one issue as an exemption from academic freedom & discourse.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm concerned because my depressed tween out of the blue announced they were trans this summer, and then our pediatrician during a well child visit off handedly mentioned puberty blockers as a repercussion-free "pause" on puberty, which they absolutely are not. I think the U.S. model of (seemingly) absolute affirmation, with a trend towards medicalization is concerning. A

You are a parent of a transgender teen. It makes sense that you are concerned.

The question is why a random person on DCUM is "concerned" about your kid's gender and genitalia.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the mom of the trans daughter above. I will just ask again why people care so much about this if it isn't your child? You can see in people's tones that they become very judgmental. Even the article is a little strange because it's not geared to the people who actually have a need for balanced information--which is the parents of kids who come out as trans. It all becomes a lot more confusing when it's your kid and not someone else's theoretical child. But this has just been turned into new fodder for the culture wars, when it actually involves quite a small number of people.

If you have a child who has come out, and you are worried they are making a mistake or just worried in general, I think that's totally normal unless you've always just known they were trans. But why else would you care? Not all lesbians are becoming trans men. It's not really an issue that should concern you.

these are good questions and you have a good point. in the vast majority of cases, this is for parents to decide.

but what does impact me is the way the discussion about transitioning has led to campaings to silence people (including people with an interest in the issue). if a journalist or scientist can get bullied out of researching and writing about trans issues because their views don’t support the orthodoxy, then yeah, that is a problem to me, because it is a dynamic that can extend to any issue.

So you're "concerned" because you're worried about being "canceled" on some other issue?

I’m concerned both about this issue, and accepting this kind of silencing for other issues, yes.

Why are you concerned about this issue?

Because it’s an important issue that impacts people, and academic freedom should be preserved for everything. You can’t carve out one issue as an exemption from academic freedom & discourse.

Making it an "issue" is the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the mom of the trans daughter above. I will just ask again why people care so much about this if it isn't your child? You can see in people's tones that they become very judgmental. Even the article is a little strange because it's not geared to the people who actually have a need for balanced information--which is the parents of kids who come out as trans. It all becomes a lot more confusing when it's your kid and not someone else's theoretical child. But this has just been turned into new fodder for the culture wars, when it actually involves quite a small number of people.

If you have a child who has come out, and you are worried they are making a mistake or just worried in general, I think that's totally normal unless you've always just known they were trans. But why else would you care? Not all lesbians are becoming trans men. It's not really an issue that should concern you.

these are good questions and you have a good point. in the vast majority of cases, this is for parents to decide.

but what does impact me is the way the discussion about transitioning has led to campaings to silence people (including people with an interest in the issue). if a journalist or scientist can get bullied out of researching and writing about trans issues because their views don’t support the orthodoxy, then yeah, that is a problem to me, because it is a dynamic that can extend to any issue.

So you're "concerned" because you're worried about being "canceled" on some other issue?

I’m concerned both about this issue, and accepting this kind of silencing for other issues, yes.

Why are you concerned about this issue?

Because it’s an important issue that impacts people, and academic freedom should be preserved for everything. You can’t carve out one issue as an exemption from academic freedom & discourse.

Making it an "issue" is the issue.

so you think you can limit how/what/who can discuss trans issues, because only you are allowed to discuss it? yeah that’s the exact thing that worries me.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the mom of the trans daughter above. I will just ask again why people care so much about this if it isn't your child? You can see in people's tones that they become very judgmental. Even the article is a little strange because it's not geared to the people who actually have a need for balanced information--which is the parents of kids who come out as trans. It all becomes a lot more confusing when it's your kid and not someone else's theoretical child. But this has just been turned into new fodder for the culture wars, when it actually involves quite a small number of people.

If you have a child who has come out, and you are worried they are making a mistake or just worried in general, I think that's totally normal unless you've always just known they were trans. But why else would you care? Not all lesbians are becoming trans men. It's not really an issue that should concern you.

these are good questions and you have a good point. in the vast majority of cases, this is for parents to decide.

but what does impact me is the way the discussion about transitioning has led to campaings to silence people (including people with an interest in the issue). if a journalist or scientist can get bullied out of researching and writing about trans issues because their views don’t support the orthodoxy, then yeah, that is a problem to me, because it is a dynamic that can extend to any issue.

So you're "concerned" because you're worried about being "canceled" on some other issue?

I’m concerned both about this issue, and accepting this kind of silencing for other issues, yes.

Why are you concerned about this issue?

Because it’s an important issue that impacts people, and academic freedom should be preserved for everything. You can’t carve out one issue as an exemption from academic freedom & discourse.

Making it an "issue" is the issue.

so you think you can limit how/what/who can discuss trans issues, because only you are allowed to discuss it? yeah that’s the exact thing that worries me.

Medical community, families of transgender kids, etc. should obviously all discuss it.

I don't think busybody "concerned" people should discuss it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the mom of the trans daughter above. I will just ask again why people care so much about this if it isn't your child? You can see in people's tones that they become very judgmental. Even the article is a little strange because it's not geared to the people who actually have a need for balanced information--which is the parents of kids who come out as trans. It all becomes a lot more confusing when it's your kid and not someone else's theoretical child. But this has just been turned into new fodder for the culture wars, when it actually involves quite a small number of people.

If you have a child who has come out, and you are worried they are making a mistake or just worried in general, I think that's totally normal unless you've always just known they were trans. But why else would you care? Not all lesbians are becoming trans men. It's not really an issue that should concern you.

these are good questions and you have a good point. in the vast majority of cases, this is for parents to decide.

but what does impact me is the way the discussion about transitioning has led to campaings to silence people (including people with an interest in the issue). if a journalist or scientist can get bullied out of researching and writing about trans issues because their views don’t support the orthodoxy, then yeah, that is a problem to me, because it is a dynamic that can extend to any issue.

So you're "concerned" because you're worried about being "canceled" on some other issue?

I’m concerned both about this issue, and accepting this kind of silencing for other issues, yes.

Why are you concerned about this issue?

Because it’s an important issue that impacts people, and academic freedom should be preserved for everything. You can’t carve out one issue as an exemption from academic freedom & discourse.

Making it an "issue" is the issue.

so you think you can limit how/what/who can discuss trans issues, because only you are allowed to discuss it? yeah that’s the exact thing that worries me.

Medical community, families of transgender kids, etc. should obviously all discuss it.

I don't think busybody "concerned" people should discuss it.

OP. So do you consider Reuters to be a busybody concerned person? I’m not sure what you are saying here. Do you think mainstream media should never discuss trans healthcare for children? Could you clarify?

[Anonymous]

With the current affirmation-only model of care, those of us with school-aged children are one mental health crisis away from dealing with a child declaring themselves to be transgender and receiving medical treatment. It’s an issue of concern for any parent today.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the mom of the trans daughter above. I will just ask again why people care so much about this if it isn't your child? You can see in people's tones that they become very judgmental. Even the article is a little strange because it's not geared to the people who actually have a need for balanced information--which is the parents of kids who come out as trans. It all becomes a lot more confusing when it's your kid and not someone else's theoretical child. But this has just been turned into new fodder for the culture wars, when it actually involves quite a small number of people.

If you have a child who has come out, and you are worried they are making a mistake or just worried in general, I think that's totally normal unless you've always just known they were trans. But why else would you care? Not all lesbians are becoming trans men. It's not really an issue that should concern you.

these are good questions and you have a good point. in the vast majority of cases, this is for parents to decide.

but what does impact me is the way the discussion about transitioning has led to campaings to silence people (including people with an interest in the issue). if a journalist or scientist can get bullied out of researching and writing about trans issues because their views don’t support the orthodoxy, then yeah, that is a problem to me, because it is a dynamic that can extend to any issue.

So you're "concerned" because you're worried about being "canceled" on some other issue?

I’m concerned both about this issue, and accepting this kind of silencing for other issues, yes.

Why are you concerned about this issue?

Because it’s an important issue that impacts people, and academic freedom should be preserved for everything. You can’t carve out one issue as an exemption from academic freedom & discourse.

Making it an "issue" is the issue.

so you think you can limit how/what/who can discuss trans issues, because only you are allowed to discuss it? yeah that’s the exact thing that worries me.

Medical community, families of transgender kids, etc. should obviously all discuss it.

I don't think busybody "concerned" people should discuss it.

OP. So do you consider Reuters to be a busybody concerned person? I’m not sure what you are saying here. Do you think mainstream media should never discuss trans healthcare for children? Could you clarify?

Not anymore than any other medical subject.

And certainly not for “social concerns”.

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I read the article and what stuck out to me is the doctors telling the teens the potential risks of the various treatments including infertility, inability to orgasm and complications from surgery. These teens say they aren't concerned about that. Well, of course they aren't! They have very little life experience and an undeveloped prefrontal cortex. They literally *cannot* understand the risks involved.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the mom of the trans daughter above. I will just ask again why people care so much about this if it isn't your child? You can see in people's tones that they become very judgmental. Even the article is a little strange because it's not geared to the people who actually have a need for balanced information--which is the parents of kids who come out as trans. It all becomes a lot more confusing when it's your kid and not someone else's theoretical child. But this has just been turned into new fodder for the culture wars, when it actually involves quite a small number of people.

If you have a child who has come out, and you are worried they are making a mistake or just worried in general, I think that's totally normal unless you've always just known they were trans. But why else would you care? Not all lesbians are becoming trans men. It's not really an issue that should concern you.

these are good questions and you have a good point. in the vast majority of cases, this is for parents to decide.

but what does impact me is the way the discussion about transitioning has led to campaings to silence people (including people with an interest in the issue). if a journalist or scientist can get bullied out of researching and writing about trans issues because their views don’t support the orthodoxy, then yeah, that is a problem to me, because it is a dynamic that can extend to any issue.

So you're "concerned" because you're worried about being "canceled" on some other issue?

I’m concerned both about this issue, and accepting this kind of silencing for other issues, yes.

Why are you concerned about this issue?

Because it’s an important issue that impacts people, and academic freedom should be preserved for everything. You can’t carve out one issue as an exemption from academic freedom & discourse.

Making it an "issue" is the issue.

so you think you can limit how/what/who can discuss trans issues, because only you are allowed to discuss it? yeah that’s the exact thing that worries me.

Medical community, families of transgender kids, etc. should obviously all discuss it.

I don't think busybody "concerned" people should discuss it.

OP. So do you consider Reuters to be a busybody concerned person? I’m not sure what you are saying here. Do you think mainstream media should never discuss trans healthcare for children? Could you clarify?

Not anymore than any other medical subject.

And certainly not for “social concerns”.

OP. I’m still struggling to understand your position. Do you think this article should not have been published?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm the mom of the trans daughter above. I will just ask again why people care so much about this if it isn't your child? You can see in people's tones that they become very judgmental. Even the article is a little strange because it's not geared to the people who actually have a need for balanced information--which is the parents of kids who come out as trans. It all becomes a lot more confusing when it's your kid and not someone else's theoretical child. But this has just been turned into new fodder for the culture wars, when it actually involves quite a small number of people.

If you have a child who has come out, and you are worried they are making a mistake or just worried in general, I think that's totally normal unless you've always just known they were trans. But why else would you care? Not all lesbians are becoming trans men. It's not really an issue that should concern you.

these are good questions and you have a good point. in the vast majority of cases, this is for parents to decide.

but what does impact me is the way the discussion about transitioning has led to campaings to silence people (including people with an interest in the issue). if a journalist or scientist can get bullied out of researching and writing about trans issues because their views don’t support the orthodoxy, then yeah, that is a problem to me, because it is a dynamic that can extend to any issue.

So you're "concerned" because you're worried about being "canceled" on some other issue?

I’m concerned both about this issue, and accepting this kind of silencing for other issues, yes.

Why are you concerned about this issue?

Because it’s an important issue that impacts people, and academic freedom should be preserved for everything. You can’t carve out one issue as an exemption from academic freedom & discourse.

Making it an "issue" is the issue.

so you think you can limit how/what/who can discuss trans issues, because only you are allowed to discuss it? yeah that’s the exact thing that worries me.

Medical community, families of transgender kids, etc. should obviously all discuss it.

I don't think busybody "concerned" people should discuss it.

OP. So do you consider Reuters to be a busybody concerned person? I’m not sure what you are saying here. Do you think mainstream media should never discuss trans healthcare for children? Could you clarify?

Not anymore than any other medical subject.

And certainly not for “social concerns”.

OP. I’m still struggling to understand your position. Do you think this article should not have been published?

I think fact-based reporting would be helpful to families. Not to “concerned” busybodies and bigots.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the PP is right on when they mentioned it being about money.

One of our kids had a growth issue. We asked about puberty blockers to give more time for growth. We sought out 2 well respected endocrinologists who both would not prescribe for our DD and thought we eventually found one who did ultimately decided against it. There are known issues that could occur later in life and after thinking about it we decided it wasn’t worth the risk.

She did take a growth hormone for several years and while there were no side effects at the time we were warned that there could be future issues. And there weren’t any for several years once they were stopped. But now in young adulthood it has been determined that there were underlying side effects that just didn’t become evident right away. Now our child is not so sure if it was all worth it.

I think parents who pursue puberty blockers solely for gender purposes are making a mistake. Those meds likely have unseen side effects that don’t become evident right away. The child has to live with that for the rest of their life and by the time they come to fully appreciate the decisions and ramifications it’s just too late. Even if doctors are handing them like candy now. Go lightly. Don’t think side effects can’t happen to your child. But most importantly remember that you won’t have to deal with any side effects and you are instead hoisting them on a child for life.

1. They aren't being handed out like candy.
2. All medications have risks.

And yet the messaging around puberty blockers is that they are a harmless pause on puberty. Parents and children need to understand that’s just not true.

Yeah. This is one reason that I do feel compelled to have an opinion on this issue. Pharma companies and public interest groups concealing the risks of medication to CHILDREN is just ... not ok.

Out of all of the various medications that are prescribed to children - many in much larger volumes - it’s funny that you are so “concerned” about these.

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Anonymous wrote:Do a search for #detrans on Twitter. There’s a lot to be concerned about.

Go away bigot.

Serious question, why do you think that is bigoted?

The anti-trans bigot who constantly pushes “detrans” fearmongering.

Do you think the #detrans stories aren’t real? Or that the nearly 40,000 people on the r/detrans subreddit aren’t real? Maybe the current affirmation only model of transgender healthcare leads to errors?

39k of them are probably bigots frothing at the mouth for stories. The number of people who detrans is very small.

Anyway, that’s not relevant to this thread, bigot.

This response ("bigot") is what's wrong with the dialogue about trans youth. Any words of caution from parents or medical professionals are frequently dismissed as bigotry. I wish we could have a more nuanced discussion but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

You refer to r/detrans and you want to have a nuanced discussion?

Like it or not, detransitioners are part of the discussion (as are happy trans folks).

What discussion? Why do you feel like you need to be part of the discussion of what other families decide for health care?

Why do you feel so entitled to dictate what people can or can’t do their their genitals?

I posted earlier about my kid's pediatrician talking up puberty blockers as a repercussion free "pause," so I actually do have skin in this game. I am less concerned about genitals in particular than I am about unproven medical protocols that my kid may be misled into following.