Can someone detail the connection between rescues and puppy mills for me?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who are you planning to argue with, OP?

Not the op, but my rather self-righteous niece starts in on adoption as the only option when my kids bring up maybe getting a dog in the future. That’s not how we’ll go if we decide to get a dog, which apparently horrifies her. People have a lot of opinions as to where other people get their dogs.

Some of the rescue groups seem very shady to me and I'd worry with kids getting a rescue if you don't have a lot of dog experience and they have behavioral issues. We went to a breeder as we wanted a no shed, dog and very glad we did.

I get tired of the self-righteous animal advocates as they care far less about people and often are not fostering/adopting kids who need homes.

Are you kidding me? There is no comparison between a HUMAN being and a dog. I can foster 100 dogs - in fact I have done about 50 - but I do not feel capable of fostering a child. That doesn't make me self righteous, that doesn't make me anything at all. Except realistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh those horrible ADS people who put their time and money into saving dogs. WTH OP

Do they, though? I see lots of pit bulls and pit bull mixes who are kept in shelters (and adopted out and returned and lied about, repeat cycle) but not a lot of other dogs. The normal dogs seem to go to rescues and then adopting is basically not possible at that point. So are they “saving dogs” or are they ginning up donations in honor of hopeless pit bulls who can’t be around kids, dogs, sleeves and dresses, men, old people, and no other animals?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here is one article for you:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/dog-auction-rescue-groups-donations/

I donate to one of the groups in this article - National Mill Dog Rescue. If these rescues don't buy the used up breeding dogs when the breeders are done with them,
What do you think is going to happen to those dogs? They are going to be thrown out like garbage.

The dogs that NMDR buys are hardly marketable as "purebreds". They need a lot of work - medical, social - before they can be adopted out. Some are missing eyes, or teeth. Or entire jaws. Some have lost toes or paws from living in wire cages. Some have never been outside or touched grass.

There is nothing wrong with rescuing these dogs. As long as the dogs aren't bred ever, ever again. And they absolutely deserve to be rescued.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh those horrible ADS people who put their time and money into saving dogs. WTH OP

Do they, though? I see lots of pit bulls and pit bull mixes who are kept in shelters (and adopted out and returned and lied about, repeat cycle) but not a lot of other dogs. The normal dogs seem to go to rescues and then adopting is basically not possible at that point. So are they “saving dogs” or are they ginning up donations in honor of hopeless pit bulls who can’t be around kids, dogs, sleeves and dresses, men, old people, and no other animals?

Why don't you get involved with a dog rescue group and then you tell me. Two good ones are Worthy Dog out of Vienna and Humane Rescue Alliance in Fairfax Station.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here is one article for you:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/dog-auction-rescue-groups-donations/

I donate to one of the groups in this article - National Mill Dog Rescue. If these rescues don't buy the used up breeding dogs when the breeders are done with them,
What do you think is going to happen to those dogs? They are going to be thrown out like garbage.

The dogs that NMDR buys are hardly marketable as "purebreds". They need a lot of work - medical, social - before they can be adopted out. Some are missing eyes, or teeth. Or entire jaws. Some have lost toes or paws from living in wire cages. Some have never been outside or touched grass.

There is nothing wrong with rescuing these dogs. As long as the dogs aren't bred ever, ever again. And they absolutely deserve to be rescued.

You are just helping the puppy mill business. I mean be honest that you support puppy mills. It’s morally wrong behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here is one article for you:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/dog-auction-rescue-groups-donations/

I donate to one of the groups in this article - National Mill Dog Rescue. If these rescues don't buy the used up breeding dogs when the breeders are done with them,
What do you think is going to happen to those dogs? They are going to be thrown out like garbage.

The dogs that NMDR buys are hardly marketable as "purebreds". They need a lot of work - medical, social - before they can be adopted out. Some are missing eyes, or teeth. Or entire jaws. Some have lost toes or paws from living in wire cages. Some have never been outside or touched grass.

There is nothing wrong with rescuing these dogs. As long as the dogs aren't bred ever, ever again. And they absolutely deserve to be rescued.

What do YOU think would happen to them ? I think they would likely end up with animal control and the rescue could pull them without fees, or they would be euthanized which is what happens to a lot of them anyway. Not everything has a happy ending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh those horrible ADS people who put their time and money into saving dogs. WTH OP

Do they, though? I see lots of pit bulls and pit bull mixes who are kept in shelters (and adopted out and returned and lied about, repeat cycle) but not a lot of other dogs. The normal dogs seem to go to rescues and then adopting is basically not possible at that point. So are they “saving dogs” or are they ginning up donations in honor of hopeless pit bulls who can’t be around kids, dogs, sleeves and dresses, men, old people, and no other animals?

Why don't you get involved with a dog rescue group and then you tell me. Two good ones are Worthy Dog out of Vienna 1/3 pit and pit mixes and Humane Rescue Alliance in Fairfax Station. Do mean the one in DC? I didn’t see on in Fairfax Station. 99% pit and pit mixes

Not exactly disproving my point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh those horrible ADS people who put their time and money into saving dogs. WTH OP

Do they, though? I see lots of pit bulls and pit bull mixes who are kept in shelters (and adopted out and returned and lied about, repeat cycle) but not a lot of other dogs. The normal dogs seem to go to rescues and then adopting is basically not possible at that point. So are they “saving dogs” or are they ginning up donations in honor of hopeless pit bulls who can’t be around kids, dogs, sleeves and dresses, men, old people, and no other animals?

Why don't you get involved with a dog rescue group and then you tell me. Two good ones are Worthy Dog out of Vienna 1/3 pit and pit mixes and Humane Rescue Alliance in Fairfax Station. Do mean the one in DC? I didn’t see on in Fairfax Station. 99% pit and pit mixes

Not exactly disproving my point.

…so? Not everyone is afraid of pits and pit mixes.

[Anonymous]

Most dogs from animal rescue groups and shelters are not at all associated with puppy mills. However, most of those dogs are also pit mixes of varying percentages so if that is scary to you a breeder is your best option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here is one article for you:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/dog-auction-rescue-groups-donations/

I donate to one of the groups in this article - National Mill Dog Rescue. If these rescues don't buy the used up breeding dogs when the breeders are done with them,
What do you think is going to happen to those dogs? They are going to be thrown out like garbage.

The dogs that NMDR buys are hardly marketable as "purebreds". They need a lot of work - medical, social - before they can be adopted out. Some are missing eyes, or teeth. Or entire jaws. Some have lost toes or paws from living in wire cages. Some have never been outside or touched grass.

There is nothing wrong with rescuing these dogs. As long as the dogs aren't bred ever, ever again. And they absolutely deserve to be rescued.

What do YOU think would happen to them ? I think they would likely end up with animal control and the rescue could pull them without fees, or they would be euthanized which is what happens to a lot of them anyway. Not everything has a happy ending.

They'd be killed. Thrown in the garbage. Dumped in the woods. Whatever is the least time and effort for the breeder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here is one article for you:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/investigations/dog-auction-rescue-groups-donations/

I donate to one of the groups in this article - National Mill Dog Rescue. If these rescues don't buy the used up breeding dogs when the breeders are done with them,
What do you think is going to happen to those dogs? They are going to be thrown out like garbage.

The dogs that NMDR buys are hardly marketable as "purebreds". They need a lot of work - medical, social - before they can be adopted out. Some are missing eyes, or teeth. Or entire jaws. Some have lost toes or paws from living in wire cages. Some have never been outside or touched grass.

There is nothing wrong with rescuing these dogs. As long as the dogs aren't bred ever, ever again. And they absolutely deserve to be rescued.

What do YOU think would happen to them ? I think they would likely end up with animal control and the rescue could pull them without fees, or they would be euthanized which is what happens to a lot of them anyway. Not everything has a happy ending.

They'd be killed. Thrown in the garbage. Dumped in the woods. Whatever is the least time and effort for the breeder.

Right, so your solution is to prop the business of the people that would do that up more by funneling even more money in their direction. Appalling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who are you planning to argue with, OP?

Not the op, but my rather self-righteous niece starts in on adoption as the only option when my kids bring up maybe getting a dog in the future. That’s not how we’ll go if we decide to get a dog, which apparently horrifies her. People have a lot of opinions as to where other people get their dogs.

My sister is like this. I’d never bring a shelter dog into a home with children though.

[Anonymous]

Even if they aren’t buying the dogs from the puppy mill by giving them an end outlet at no cost to them to get rid of the old dogs in a way does support the puppy mill business. It doesn’t instead force the mill to retire the dogs and provide proper care for the dogs until they die or even do their own adoption work.