Any thoughts about NCAP at Georgetown vs Tollefson at Georgetown prep for 10 year old?

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Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by different ? Is Tollefson also not competent?

Tollefson is not as competitive as NCAP. It’s a great fit though for kids who aren’t committed to swimming as their primary sport, or enjoy swimming but don’t have JO level times. It is pricey for that however. Also for what it’s worth, my 10 year old does dryland training with their NCAP site (not GP).

Ncap is equally pricey. Don’t conflate the kids with the JO times picking ncap meaning ncap is better. I think Dory is a great coach but Toll also has great programs. Both programs are very expensive and good options. NCAP very high burnout among kids who stay with them through age group swimming

I didn’t say NCAP was better. I think that what club is “best” depends on the individual swimmer. If your child is a summer swimmer who wants to try year round, but has no experience with distances longer than 25s and is still working on good form for breast and fly, NCAP probably wouldn’t be best for them. But if your child is proficient in all 4 strokes, has fast times already, and wants to compete at a high level, Tollefson may not be enough of a challenge for them. If your child wants to do a lot of meets, I would probably recommend NCAP over Tollefson; and if your child isn’t as interested in the competition aspect I would recommend Tollefson.

I think Tillerson swims one meet a month for the 9 and over. Are you looking for more meets per month?

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Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by different ? Is Tollefson also not competent?

Tollefson is not as competitive as NCAP. It’s a great fit though for kids who aren’t committed to swimming as their primary sport, or enjoy swimming but don’t have JO level times. It is pricey for that however. Also for what it’s worth, my 10 year old does dryland training with their NCAP site (not GP).

Ncap is equally pricey. Don’t conflate the kids with the JO times picking ncap meaning ncap is better. I think Dory is a great coach but Toll also has great programs. Both programs are very expensive and good options. NCAP very high burnout among kids who stay with them through age group swimming

I didn’t say NCAP was better. I think that what club is “best” depends on the individual swimmer. If your child is a summer swimmer who wants to try year round, but has no experience with distances longer than 25s and is still working on good form for breast and fly, NCAP probably wouldn’t be best for them. But if your child is proficient in all 4 strokes, has fast times already, and wants to compete at a high level, Tollefson may not be enough of a challenge for them. If your child wants to do a lot of meets, I would probably recommend NCAP over Tollefson; and if your child isn’t as interested in the competition aspect I would recommend Tollefson.

I think Tillerson swims one meet a month for the 9 and over. Are you looking for more meets per month?

My DC loves meets. This season (9-10 age group) they will end up having done 12. They also like the challenge of qualifying for meets where you need QTs, which also allows you to get more meets in. For better or worse my DC thrives on competition, so a club like NCAP that offers more meets to begin with, and has a higher number of kids that qualify for the additional meets that require QTs, is a better fit for them.

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Anonymous wrote:NCAP at GP what are your thoughts about coaches Dory and Phil ? Are they good with children ? I heard about TIBU too which is a small team . But I feel they are as expensive as they are as NCAP . Any thoughts ? Not OP . But would like to hear opinion as we are new to this and gave tryouts for both . Thanks

OP your posting style is super obvious of course it is you.

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Toll is overpriced and it's for mostly for kids who can't swim well but have a lot of money to get more individualized attention.

Emphasis on mostly. We know a couple of very fast kids on the team but it's rare.

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Anonymous wrote:Toll is overpriced and it's for mostly for kids who can't swim well but have a lot of money to get more individualized attention.

Emphasis on mostly. We know a couple of very fast kids on the team but it's rare.

^The ones we know picked Toll because they live really close to Georgetown Prep. They wouldn't have picked or stayed otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Toll is overpriced and it's for mostly for kids who can't swim well but have a lot of money to get more individualized attention.

Emphasis on mostly. We know a couple of very fast kids on the team but it's rare.

NP, but how are kids supposed to improve without individual attention? Swimming is a technical sport. I’m happy to pay for my kids to get good stroke coaching now so they can become faster later.

Or is swimming only worth it for the kids who naturally pick it up?

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Anonymous wrote:NCAP at GP what are your thoughts about coaches Dory and Phil ? Are they good with children ? I heard about TIBU too which is a small team . But I feel they are as expensive as they are as NCAP . Any thoughts ? Not OP . But would like to hear opinion as we are new to this and gave tryouts for both . Thanks

OP your posting style is super obvious of course it is you.

How do you know it's OP ? Could it be the weird spacing ? Maybe ?

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Anonymous wrote:Toll is overpriced and it's for mostly for kids who can't swim well but have a lot of money to get more individualized attention.

Emphasis on mostly. We know a couple of very fast kids on the team but it's rare.

NP, but how are kids supposed to improve without individual attention? Swimming is a technical sport. I’m happy to pay for my kids to get good stroke coaching now so they can become faster later.

Or is swimming only worth it for the kids who naturally pick it up?

I’m not the PP you’re responding to, but I think the point they are trying to make is that Toll is better for kids that are still getting a grasp on the fundamentals like stroke technique, where some of the other programs are more designed for kids that already have a handle on technique. One of the benefits of this area is that there are multiple options for swimmers at all different levels, you don’t have to be a star to continue swimming.

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Anonymous wrote:Toll is overpriced and it's for mostly for kids who can't swim well but have a lot of money to get more individualized attention.

Emphasis on mostly. We know a couple of very fast kids on the team but it's rare.

NP, but how are kids supposed to improve without individual attention? Swimming is a technical sport. I’m happy to pay for my kids to get good stroke coaching now so they can become faster later.

Or is swimming only worth it for the kids who naturally pick it up?

I’m not the PP you’re responding to, but I think the point they are trying to make is that Toll is better for kids that are still getting a grasp on the fundamentals like stroke technique, where some of the other programs are more designed for kids that already have a handle on technique. One of the benefits of this area is that there are multiple options for swimmers at all different levels, you don’t have to be a star to continue swimming.

To the bolded - plenty of kids know the fundamentals of a given stroke, but still could benefit from more detailed technical feedback. Anyone who thinks that most 10 year olds just need conditioning (along the lines of RMSC) doesn’t know much about swimming. I mean, my kid can swim all four strokes legally. That doesn’t mean she no longer needs stroke coaching. Getting wound up about how fast your pre-puberty kid is swimming doesn’t make a ton of sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Toll is overpriced and it's for mostly for kids who can't swim well but have a lot of money to get more individualized attention.

Emphasis on mostly. We know a couple of very fast kids on the team but it's rare.

NP, but how are kids supposed to improve without individual attention? Swimming is a technical sport. I’m happy to pay for my kids to get good stroke coaching now so they can become faster later.

Or is swimming only worth it for the kids who naturally pick it up?

I’m not the PP you’re responding to, but I think the point they are trying to make is that Toll is better for kids that are still getting a grasp on the fundamentals like stroke technique, where some of the other programs are more designed for kids that already have a handle on technique. One of the benefits of this area is that there are multiple options for swimmers at all different levels, you don’t have to be a star to continue swimming.

To the bolded - plenty of kids know the fundamentals of a given stroke, but still could benefit from more detailed technical feedback. Anyone who thinks that most 10 year olds just need conditioning (along the lines of RMSC) doesn’t know much about swimming. I mean, my kid can swim all four strokes legally. That doesn’t mean she no longer needs stroke coaching. Getting wound up about how fast your pre-puberty kid is swimming doesn’t make a ton of sense.

Nowhere was it suggested that kids that know the fundamentals couldn’t benefit from additional technical instruction or feedback. But it is accurate to say that if you are over the age of 9 and still learning the fundamentals, clubs like RMSC, NCAP, etc. aren’t going to be a good fit because their training generally is based on the notion that their age group swimmers (I’m not talking about the young kids in stroke classes or developmental programs) already have a grasp of the fundamentals.

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I think Toll is getting bigger (adding practice times) so may be changing to more competitive club. NCAP is a great program too, and each site has its own Coach and personality. ASA also seems on the rise with a lot of kids at the competitive meets and the age group head coach being ver well-liked. There are a ton of good teams in Virginia too, but guessing you are focusing on MoCo based on the clubs you mentioned.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Toll is getting bigger (adding practice times) so may be changing to more competitive club. NCAP is a great program too, and each site has its own Coach and personality. ASA also seems on the rise with a lot of kids at the competitive meets and the age group head coach being ver well-liked. There are a ton of good teams in Virginia too, but guessing you are focusing on MoCo based on the clubs you mentioned.

PP, which age group are you referring to at ASA?

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Coach Phil and Coach Dory are wonderful with kids. Tollerfson coaches are also amazing (Coach Elizabeth, Coach Henry, etc.). All Star Aquatics (ASA) is another really strong program.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you mean by different ? Is Tollefson also not competent?

Tollefson is not as competitive as NCAP. It’s a great fit though for kids who aren’t committed to swimming as their primary sport, or enjoy swimming but don’t have JO level times. It is pricey for that however. Also for what it’s worth, my 10 year old does dryland training with their NCAP site (not GP).

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Anonymous wrote:Coach Phil and Coach Dory are wonderful with kids. Tollerfson coaches are also amazing (Coach Elizabeth, Coach Henry, etc.). All Star Aquatics (ASA) is another really strong program.

+1000 They are all excellent. All these clubs have really good coaches mentioned above. I also heard Tollefson is growing and have some strong swimmers joining for age group recently.