Are my kids the only ones who bombed the spring MAP?

[Anonymous]

^up in math down in reading

[Anonymous]

No not the only. And it doesn’t make any sense why they would have suddenly gone down, yet still be getting High on all the categories and ABV level on their report card. I definitely want the full student report.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Grade 1 and 3. Each went down at least 10 percentile points (that's probably not the correct way to word it). Went from mid-90's to low 80's/upper 70's . WTF??!!

This has happened to many kids who went in person. Virtual is all up and up

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Anonymous wrote:I think kids started off this year in very different places because of the disaster that was virtual learning the prior year. More kids caught up to wear they were supposed to by end of year. Meaning I think the curve got harder as things normalized.

My kids continued to do well throughout the pandemic. I just made sure they paid attention and did their work despite school being remote. I think this made a big difference. Many of their classmates had tuned out and were even playing video games during class. It seems like many of the kids who were checked out and had minimal parental oversight did poorly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think kids started off this year in very different places because of the disaster that was virtual learning the prior year. More kids caught up to wear they were supposed to by end of year. Meaning I think the curve got harder as things normalized.

My kids continued to do well throughout the pandemic. I just made sure they paid attention and did their work despite school being remote. I think this made a big difference. Many of their classmates had tuned out and were even playing video games during class. It seems like many of the kids who were checked out and had minimal parental oversight did poorly.

Many parents did this and it wasn't easy, but those who expected the county to parent for them were sadly disappointed.

[Anonymous]

What does it mean when scores go down? That the student didn’t learn anything in the year?

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Anonymous wrote:What does it mean when scores go down? That the student didn’t learn anything in the year?

It's hard to put any deep meaning in individual scores from a single time for these tests. It could be that there was little learned. It could be that the variation in the test -- particular questions randomly selected, your child's physical/mental/emotional health on test day, etc , meant that the earlier score and the later score are not properly comparable. It may be that you are looking at a decline in peecentile but an increase in raw score, which means that your kid just didn't score as well in the more recent test than peers (in comparison to the earlier test).

It's not nothing, but it just isn't a good measure to rely on unless it is consistent over a number of tests/years, supported by several other performance measures or evaluated over a large enough group of test-takers/conditions to be more statistically meaningful (i.e., not just your kid).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think kids started off this year in very different places because of the disaster that was virtual learning the prior year. More kids caught up to wear they were supposed to by end of year. Meaning I think the curve got harder as things normalized.

My kids continued to do well throughout the pandemic. I just made sure they paid attention and did their work despite school being remote. I think this made a big difference. Many of their classmates had tuned out and were even playing video games during class. It seems like many of the kids who were checked out and had minimal parental oversight did poorly.

Many parents did this and it wasn't easy, but those who expected the county to parent for them were sadly disappointed.

Indeed. There were times when my kid was the only one paying attention and doing the work. The teachers begged and pleaded and got angry - but some kids are unreachable over Zoom. Somehow through a screen it's not real to them, whereas in the classroom it is. Very strange.

[Anonymous]

My son got the exact same score in math in the fall and the spring and we were joking that he apparently learned nothing this year.

[Anonymous]

My kindergartener scored sightly lower in spring than winter (only a point so not meaningful regression but also not growth). I'm not worried or anything because it's kindergarten and she's still doing pretty well, though.

[Anonymous]

Went down from 98 percentile to 85 percentile.
I'm confused, though, if they're giving the percentiles right away, are they being compared to previous versions of the test? Mine came home with their score same day of testing.

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My K went up 3 points but went from 72% to 60% (roughly). Maybe more kids caught up/made progress to where she was.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think kids started off this year in very different places because of the disaster that was virtual learning the prior year. More kids caught up to wear they were supposed to by end of year. Meaning I think the curve got harder as things normalized.

My kids continued to do well throughout the pandemic. I just made sure they paid attention and did their work despite school being remote. I think this made a big difference. Many of their classmates had tuned out and were even playing video games during class. It seems like many of the kids who were checked out and had minimal parental oversight did poorly.

Many parents did this and it wasn't easy, but those who expected the county to parent for them were sadly disappointed.

Indeed. There were times when my kid was the only one paying attention and doing the work. The teachers begged and pleaded and got angry - but some kids are unreachable over Zoom. Somehow through a screen it's not real to them, whereas in the classroom it is. Very strange.

This kind of comment makes me so angry. Did you ever consider that perhaps there are kids with a learning disabilities that could not learn over zoom?

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Anonymous wrote:Grade 1 and 3. Each went down at least 10 percentile points (that's probably not the correct way to word it). Went from mid-90's to low 80's/upper 70's . WTF??!!

You should be looking at the absolute score, not the percentile. Usually the raw RIT score goes up by a couple of points. A decrease in percentile just means that your kids were less affected by the pandemic than other kids, or at least not as disrupted in fall/winter.

My DS in 2nd went up 2 points but dropped from 97% to 90%. I agree and think that kids did better once back in school.

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Anonymous wrote:No, my 6th grader went up 20 points on the raw score (which in percentile still puts her in the 99th percentile). I told her not to be disappointed if it decreases next fall - at that level, it's probably just the run of questions she had.

In elementary I noticed that sometimes schools did not give all the recommended time to students for MAP (MAP is supposed to be unlimited time, but for practical reasons, schools do limit the time, sometimes not consistently). It's annoying if students want to be considered for the CES in 4th grade, because that's one of the criteria.

Other than that, just make sure they read this summer and do some basic math.

Some teachers will intentionally give students less time on the fall MAP than the spring MAP because they are evaluated on student growth, so, duh, of course they aren’t going to give a rip if the kids race through the test - as long as they don’t do that on the spring MAPs.