Rural America's murder problem

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:white men + guns = sky high murder rates in red states.

F’ing DUH.

It really is that simple. The mere existence of the gun greatly increases the likelihood of suicide and murder. People who are temporarily off-their-rocker see the gun and take drastic action. The more guns you have floating around the more these incidents will happen.

Guns + humanity = death. That’s it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize you’re half joking half serious, but you are correct.

Something has uncorked the violence in this country. Regressives are quick to blame the loss of religion in this country, but that can’t be given the murder numbers in rural areas where people still actively worship.

You didn't read the piece, did you?

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So… exactly what I said: “Regressives are quick to blame the loss of religion in this country, but that can’t be given the murder numbers in rural areas where people still actively worship.” With you and the WSJ being the regressives in this instance.

And sorry kiddo. It’s not the loss of church, it’s economic despair - largely caused by right wingers. https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-crime-rural-urban-cities.html It may have spiked during the pandemic, but people have been desperate in lots of rural areas and they really haven’t abandoned church.

Also while I’m up on this soapbox, if their faith (let’s be straight: Christianity) is so weak that without in person attendance it falls apart and causes them to murder people, they’re not really people of faith, are they? Further, I grew up rurally. I know these people. They are my family, they are my childhood family friends - their faith is a small, angry thing that puts them above people instead of below them, lifting them up. Perhaps your rural religious upbringing brought you to different conclusions, but this is what mine showed me.

First of all, I am not a kiddo. Save that for your children.
Secondly, I currently LIVE in a rural area. And, your experience with your family and their faith as "a small angry thing" is far from what I have experienced. For many here, the church is the place where people go not only to worship, but to socialize. And, these places where people went for spiritual fulfillment and to visit with friends were abruptly shut down. Many of these people live, not in neighborhoods, but in areas where they don't have neighbors nearby. They were isolated and alone. And, many don't even have internet in which to connect to others.

Many of these people may not be as wealthy as you, but they are not suffering from "economic despair." They live simply. The most important "things" in life to them are not "things" at all.... they are family, friends, faith. Maybe some of us could learn something from them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:white men + guns = sky high murder rates in red states.

F’ing DUH.

It really is that simple. The mere existence of the gun greatly increases the likelihood of suicide and murder. People who are temporarily off-their-rocker see the gun and take drastic action. The more guns you have floating around the more these incidents will happen.

Guns + humanity = death. That’s it.

No, not “humanity”.

White. Men.

There’s plenty of guns in the rest of the world. This is a white male problem, not a gun problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize you’re half joking half serious, but you are correct.

Something has uncorked the violence in this country. Regressives are quick to blame the loss of religion in this country, but that can’t be given the murder numbers in rural areas where people still actively worship.

You didn't read the piece, did you?

From the posted link:

Pastors point to the suspension of rituals such as in-person church services, town gatherings and everyday exchanges between neighbors. Such interactions can serve as guardrails, helping to prevent conflicts from turning violent. The psychological and financial stress due to isolation and job loss were especially pronounced in remote areas, where social services were limited even before Covid-19 struck, local leaders say.
When Covid struck, some churches stopped in-person services, and restaurants shut down. Walmart started closing early. People no longer stopped to socialize in the grocery store.
Authorities in rural counties said that as the pandemic wore on, troubled individuals became even more isolated, and in some cases, tipped over the edge.
“There are parts of our county that don’t even have internet service,” said Tammy Erwin, a victim’s advocate for the Marion County Sheriff’s Office. “So it’s not like everyone could just jump on Zoom.”


I remember a former president who said, "We can't make the cure worse than the problem itself."

Seems as if that is exactly what we did. With extended lock downs, closed schools, online learning that wasn't really learning at all, closed churches, and everything that came with "the cure," we have caused psychological, emotional, and physical problems - particularly in our youth who were at low risk of bad outcomes from the virus.

in rural red areas?

You think all rural areas are red?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:white men + guns = sky high murder rates in red states.

F’ing DUH.

It really is that simple. The mere existence of the gun greatly increases the likelihood of suicide and murder. People who are temporarily off-their-rocker see the gun and take drastic action. The more guns you have floating around the more these incidents will happen.

Guns + humanity = death. That’s it.

No, not “humanity”.

White. Men.

There’s plenty of guns in the rest of the world. This is a white male problem, not a gun problem.

Whoever you are, your obsession with white men undermines your credibility and frankly comes across as mentally ill. The preponderance of gun deaths among black males in the US, along with the relative absence of gun violence in other predominantly white nations makes it very clear that this isn’t a rave issue.

[Anonymous]

In the South, the rural population is about 25% black. Fact check me on google. That's higher than, say, the black population of any of the W schools in MoCo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize you’re half joking half serious, but you are correct.

Something has uncorked the violence in this country. Regressives are quick to blame the loss of religion in this country, but that can’t be given the murder numbers in rural areas where people still actively worship.

You didn't read the piece, did you?

[…]

So… exactly what I said: “Regressives are quick to blame the loss of religion in this country, but that can’t be given the murder numbers in rural areas where people still actively worship.” With you and the WSJ being the regressives in this instance.

And sorry kiddo. It’s not the loss of church, it’s economic despair - largely caused by right wingers. https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-crime-rural-urban-cities.html It may have spiked during the pandemic, but people have been desperate in lots of rural areas and they really haven’t abandoned church.

Also while I’m up on this soapbox, if their faith (let’s be straight: Christianity) is so weak that without in person attendance it falls apart and causes them to murder people, they’re not really people of faith, are they? Further, I grew up rurally. I know these people. They are my family, they are my childhood family friends - their faith is a small, angry thing that puts them above people instead of below them, lifting them up. Perhaps your rural religious upbringing brought you to different conclusions, but this is what mine showed me.

First of all, I am not a kiddo. Save that for your children.
Secondly, I currently LIVE in a rural area. And, your experience with your family and their faith as "a small angry thing" is far from what I have experienced. For many here, the church is the place where people go not only to worship, but to socialize. And, these places where people went for spiritual fulfillment and to visit with friends were abruptly shut down. Many of these people live, not in neighborhoods, but in areas where they don't have neighbors nearby. They were isolated and alone. And, many don't even have internet in which to connect to others.

Many of these people may not be as wealthy as you, but they are not suffering from "economic despair." They live simply. The most important "things" in life to them are not "things" at all.... they are family, friends, faith. Maybe some of us could learn something from them.

Dp- I live in a rural area too. Huge homes, barns, boats, and guns. Ah… just the simple little things. GMFB

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize you’re half joking half serious, but you are correct.

Something has uncorked the violence in this country. Regressives are quick to blame the loss of religion in this country, but that can’t be given the murder numbers in rural areas where people still actively worship.

You didn't read the piece, did you?

From the posted link:

Pastors point to the suspension of rituals such as in-person church services, town gatherings and everyday exchanges between neighbors. Such interactions can serve as guardrails, helping to prevent conflicts from turning violent. The psychological and financial stress due to isolation and job loss were especially pronounced in remote areas, where social services were limited even before Covid-19 struck, local leaders say.
When Covid struck, some churches stopped in-person services, and restaurants shut down. Walmart started closing early. People no longer stopped to socialize in the grocery store.
Authorities in rural counties said that as the pandemic wore on, troubled individuals became even more isolated, and in some cases, tipped over the edge.
“There are parts of our county that don’t even have internet service,” said Tammy Erwin, a victim’s advocate for the Marion County Sheriff’s Office. “So it’s not like everyone could just jump on Zoom.”


I remember a former president who said, "We can't make the cure worse than the problem itself."

Seems as if that is exactly what we did. With extended lock downs, closed schools, online learning that wasn't really learning at all, closed churches, and everything that came with "the cure," we have caused psychological, emotional, and physical problems - particularly in our youth who were at low risk of bad outcomes from the virus.

Churches have been reopened for a very long time now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I realize you’re half joking half serious, but you are correct.

Something has uncorked the violence in this country. Regressives are quick to blame the loss of religion in this country, but that can’t be given the murder numbers in rural areas where people still actively worship.

The violence was always there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize you’re half joking half serious, but you are correct.

Something has uncorked the violence in this country. Regressives are quick to blame the loss of religion in this country, but that can’t be given the murder numbers in rural areas where people still actively worship.

You didn't read the piece, did you?

From the posted link:

Pastors point to the suspension of rituals such as in-person church services, town gatherings and everyday exchanges between neighbors. Such interactions can serve as guardrails, helping to prevent conflicts from turning violent. The psychological and financial stress due to isolation and job loss were especially pronounced in remote areas, where social services were limited even before Covid-19 struck, local leaders say.
When Covid struck, some churches stopped in-person services, and restaurants shut down. Walmart started closing early. People no longer stopped to socialize in the grocery store.
Authorities in rural counties said that as the pandemic wore on, troubled individuals became even more isolated, and in some cases, tipped over the edge.
“There are parts of our county that don’t even have internet service,” said Tammy Erwin, a victim’s advocate for the Marion County Sheriff’s Office. “So it’s not like everyone could just jump on Zoom.”


I remember a former president who said, "We can't make the cure worse than the problem itself."

Seems as if that is exactly what we did. With extended lock downs, closed schools, online learning that wasn't really learning at all, closed churches, and everything that came with "the cure," we have caused psychological, emotional, and physical problems - particularly in our youth who were at low risk of bad outcomes from the virus.

Plenty of shootings before covid.

[Anonymous]

They are demoralized. Much like African Americans in the city projects. And this is what King understood at the end of is life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:white men + guns = sky high murder rates in red states.

F’ing DUH.

Mostly this.

But also these people have nothing to lose bc their futures are bleak.

Largely bc they are uneducated and they constantly vote to have a ruling billionaire class that couldn’t give less abt them. That’s their own fault….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/violent-crime-rural-america-homicides-pandemic-increase-11654864251

Clearly, their woke governments are enabling this. These deep-red rural areas shouldn't have defunded the police or elected DAs unwilling to prosecute crimes. If only they had more guns, maybe there'd be less crime. I can't believe nobody talks about this white-on-white crime. Where are the fathers?

There is a silver lining as most of the victims were gun totin Republicans.

Statist Ghoul

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize you’re half joking half serious, but you are correct.

Something has uncorked the violence in this country. Regressives are quick to blame the loss of religion in this country, but that can’t be given the murder numbers in rural areas where people still actively worship.

You didn't read the piece, did you?

From the posted link:

Pastors point to the suspension of rituals such as in-person church services, town gatherings and everyday exchanges between neighbors. Such interactions can serve as guardrails, helping to prevent conflicts from turning violent. The psychological and financial stress due to isolation and job loss were especially pronounced in remote areas, where social services were limited even before Covid-19 struck, local leaders say.
When Covid struck, some churches stopped in-person services, and restaurants shut down. Walmart started closing early. People no longer stopped to socialize in the grocery store.
Authorities in rural counties said that as the pandemic wore on, troubled individuals became even more isolated, and in some cases, tipped over the edge.
“There are parts of our county that don’t even have internet service,” said Tammy Erwin, a victim’s advocate for the Marion County Sheriff’s Office. “So it’s not like everyone could just jump on Zoom.”


I remember a former president who said, "We can't make the cure worse than the problem itself."

Seems as if that is exactly what we did. With extended lock downs, closed schools, online learning that wasn't really learning at all, closed churches, and everything that came with "the cure," we have caused psychological, emotional, and physical problems - particularly in our youth who were at low risk of bad outcomes from the virus.

1. All these old people who were murdered in rural areas were at high risk from covid.

2. Pastors aren't social scientists and of course they're going to blame everything on not going to church without a shred of evidence.

3. Not going to church or brushing past someone at a restaurant wouldn't have prevented the ghastly murders described in the article--the wacko white supremacist shooting his black neighbor who wouldn't hire him to mow his lawn or the drug addict slitting his kindergartner's throat. If anything, they may have prevented mass shootings as the white supremacist couldn't find an occupied black church or couldn't stop at Walmart to get more ammo.

4. Rural areas overwhelmingly reopened after a few months.

But nice try at deflection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I realize you’re half joking half serious, but you are correct.

Something has uncorked the violence in this country. Regressives are quick to blame the loss of religion in this country, but that can’t be given the murder numbers in rural areas where people still actively worship.

You didn't read the piece, did you?

From the posted link:

Pastors point to the suspension of rituals such as in-person church services, town gatherings and everyday exchanges between neighbors. Such interactions can serve as guardrails, helping to prevent conflicts from turning violent. The psychological and financial stress due to isolation and job loss were especially pronounced in remote areas, where social services were limited even before Covid-19 struck, local leaders say.
When Covid struck, some churches stopped in-person services, and restaurants shut down. Walmart started closing early. People no longer stopped to socialize in the grocery store.
Authorities in rural counties said that as the pandemic wore on, troubled individuals became even more isolated, and in some cases, tipped over the edge.
“There are parts of our county that don’t even have internet service,” said Tammy Erwin, a victim’s advocate for the Marion County Sheriff’s Office. “So it’s not like everyone could just jump on Zoom.”


I remember a former president who said, "We can't make the cure worse than the problem itself."

Seems as if that is exactly what we did. With extended lock downs, closed schools, online learning that wasn't really learning at all, closed churches, and everything that came with "the cure," we have caused psychological, emotional, and physical problems - particularly in our youth who were at low risk of bad outcomes from the virus.

1. All these old people who were murdered in rural areas were at high risk from covid.

2. Pastors aren't social scientists and of course they're going to blame everything on not going to church without a shred of evidence.

3. Not going to church or brushing past someone at a restaurant wouldn't have prevented the ghastly murders described in the article--the wacko white supremacist shooting his black neighbor who wouldn't hire him to mow his lawn or the drug addict slitting his kindergartner's throat. If anything, they may have prevented mass shootings as the white supremacist couldn't find an occupied black church or couldn't stop at Walmart to get more ammo.

4. Rural areas overwhelmingly reopened after a few months.

But nice try at deflection.

Many rural areas - especially in blue states - were indeed closed for extended periods of time because blue state governors kept them closed.
The fact that you think "rural" means "red state" shows how incredibly out of touch you are.

And, if you think extended lock downs and closures didn't have an effect on the mental health of many people - do some fricking research.