How many elementary kids are put in math 4/5 or 5/6??

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Anonymous wrote:I believe they're cutting back on pushing so hard for this but when my kids were in ES it was 4 of the classes in compacted and 1 in regular - same in MS.

+1 I don't think past years can predict what they are doing in the future here. MCPS has signaled that covid learning losses are going to mean fewer kids in 4/5 next year.

My first grader seems to have easily made up for the lost ground in K already and would expect their experience is fairly normal...They're exactly where their sibling was going into 2nd who is currently in MS and that wasn't true a year ago. You guys overhype these issues. Kids are far more resilient than you think.

That's funny. Your kid is a first grader. Come back when they're in 4th +

My 6th grader also is doing fantastic. In fact there a dozen points over the 99th percentile every standardized test. The PP was right. The problem wasn't distance learning but checked out parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe they're cutting back on pushing so hard for this but when my kids were in ES it was 4 of the classes in compacted and 1 in regular - same in MS.

+1 I don't think past years can predict what they are doing in the future here. MCPS has signaled that covid learning losses are going to mean fewer kids in 4/5 next year.

My first grader seems to have easily made up for the lost ground in K already and would expect their experience is fairly normal...They're exactly where their sibling was going into 2nd who is currently in MS and that wasn't true a year ago. You guys overhype these issues. Kids are far more resilient than you think.

That's funny. Your kid is a first grader. Come back when they're in 4th +

My 6th grader also is doing fantastic. In fact there a dozen points over the 99th percentile every standardized test. The PP was right. The problem wasn't distance learning but checked out parents.

Agree at this point the pandemic is just an excuse for mediocrity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe they're cutting back on pushing so hard for this but when my kids were in ES it was 4 of the classes in compacted and 1 in regular - same in MS.

+1 I don't think past years can predict what they are doing in the future here. MCPS has signaled that covid learning losses are going to mean fewer kids in 4/5 next year.

My first grader seems to have easily made up for the lost ground in K already and would expect their experience is fairly normal...They're exactly where their sibling was going into 2nd who is currently in MS and that wasn't true a year ago. You guys overhype these issues. Kids are far more resilient than you think.

Very similar to our experience. So many parents checked out during distance learning and are unwilling to make even a modest effort so their kids pay the price.

Oh F off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe they're cutting back on pushing so hard for this but when my kids were in ES it was 4 of the classes in compacted and 1 in regular - same in MS.

+1 I don't think past years can predict what they are doing in the future here. MCPS has signaled that covid learning losses are going to mean fewer kids in 4/5 next year.

My first grader seems to have easily made up for the lost ground in K already and would expect their experience is fairly normal...They're exactly where their sibling was going into 2nd who is currently in MS and that wasn't true a year ago. You guys overhype these issues. Kids are far more resilient than you think.

That's funny. Your kid is a first grader. Come back when they're in 4th +

My 6th grader also is doing fantastic. In fact there a dozen points over the 99th percentile every standardized test. The PP was right. The problem wasn't distance learning but checked out parents.

Sure, sweetie. With grammar like yours I’m sure it’s all you and your investment in THEIR education. All those lazy sacks who had to work full time didn’t do THEIR part.

[Anonymous]

At PCES, there are 3 compacted math classes and 4 regular classes for 4th and 5th graders.

The compacted math classes at PCES mix in about 1 class full of non-CES students with the 2 CES classes. They are usually careful in making sure that each compacted math class has 1/3 non-CES students, 1/3 students from one of the CES classrooms, and 1/3 students from the other CES classroom. There are occasionally CES students who are not in compacted math, but it's relatively rare. At least, it had been rare before the CES selection was basically a lottery. Both my kids were in the CES and compacted math.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I believe they're cutting back on pushing so hard for this but when my kids were in ES it was 4 of the classes in compacted and 1 in regular - same in MS.

+1 I don't think past years can predict what they are doing in the future here. MCPS has signaled that covid learning losses are going to mean fewer kids in 4/5 next year.

My first grader seems to have easily made up for the lost ground in K already and would expect their experience is fairly normal...They're exactly where their sibling was going into 2nd who is currently in MS and that wasn't true a year ago. You guys overhype these issues. Kids are far more resilient than you think.

Very similar to our experience. So many parents checked out during distance learning and are unwilling to make even a modest effort so their kids pay the price.

FYI. Everyone's experience might not be yours. There are kids with learning disabilities, kids who became depressed and never rebounded, kids whose parents had to work to pay bills and cannot spend the time you do. Do not speak from your place of privilege and think you speak for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe they're cutting back on pushing so hard for this but when my kids were in ES it was 4 of the classes in compacted and 1 in regular - same in MS.

+1 I don't think past years can predict what they are doing in the future here. MCPS has signaled that covid learning losses are going to mean fewer kids in 4/5 next year.

My first grader seems to have easily made up for the lost ground in K already and would expect their experience is fairly normal...They're exactly where their sibling was going into 2nd who is currently in MS and that wasn't true a year ago. You guys overhype these issues. Kids are far more resilient than you think.

That's funny. Your kid is a first grader. Come back when they're in 4th +

My 6th grader also is doing fantastic. In fact there a dozen points over the 99th percentile every standardized test. The PP was right. The problem wasn't distance learning but checked out parents.

Agree at this point the pandemic is just an excuse for mediocrity.

I have a current 3rd grader who was placed in 4/5 next year and who has continued to do well, so this is not sour grapes, but these comments are incredibly tone deaf. A lot of kids with engaged and active parents struggled with distance learning for a variety of reasons, either educational or emotional. Other kids had parents who truly could not sit with them for hours at a time and/or could not afford to hire help.

We all did the best we could under the circumstances, and talking about "checked out parents" is both unkind and not a useful frame for evaluating learning loss.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe they're cutting back on pushing so hard for this but when my kids were in ES it was 4 of the classes in compacted and 1 in regular - same in MS.

+1 I don't think past years can predict what they are doing in the future here. MCPS has signaled that covid learning losses are going to mean fewer kids in 4/5 next year.

My first grader seems to have easily made up for the lost ground in K already and would expect their experience is fairly normal...They're exactly where their sibling was going into 2nd who is currently in MS and that wasn't true a year ago. You guys overhype these issues. Kids are far more resilient than you think.

That's funny. Your kid is a first grader. Come back when they're in 4th +

My 6th grader also is doing fantastic. In fact there a dozen points over the 99th percentile every standardized test. The PP was right. The problem wasn't distance learning but checked out parents.

Agree at this point the pandemic is just an excuse for mediocrity.

I have a current 3rd grader who was placed in 4/5 next year and who has continued to do well, so this is not sour grapes, but these comments are incredibly tone deaf. A lot of kids with engaged and active parents struggled with distance learning for a variety of reasons, either educational or emotional. Other kids had parents who truly could not sit with them for hours at a time and/or could not afford to hire help.

We all did the best we could under the circumstances, and talking about "checked out parents" is both unkind and not a useful frame for evaluating learning loss.

I agree it wasn't easy. Personally, had to start my days at 4am so I could support my children during their school day to ensure they stayed on task and keep up with the demands of my job. I'm sure they would've done somewhat better in person but the impact was minimal at a significant cost to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe they're cutting back on pushing so hard for this but when my kids were in ES it was 4 of the classes in compacted and 1 in regular - same in MS.

+1 I don't think past years can predict what they are doing in the future here. MCPS has signaled that covid learning losses are going to mean fewer kids in 4/5 next year.

My first grader seems to have easily made up for the lost ground in K already and would expect their experience is fairly normal...They're exactly where their sibling was going into 2nd who is currently in MS and that wasn't true a year ago. You guys overhype these issues. Kids are far more resilient than you think.

Very similar to our experience. So many parents checked out during distance learning and are unwilling to make even a modest effort so their kids pay the price.

Nobody wants to take any personal responsibility for anything these days so quiet down!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe they're cutting back on pushing so hard for this but when my kids were in ES it was 4 of the classes in compacted and 1 in regular - same in MS.

+1 I don't think past years can predict what they are doing in the future here. MCPS has signaled that covid learning losses are going to mean fewer kids in 4/5 next year.

My first grader seems to have easily made up for the lost ground in K already and would expect their experience is fairly normal...They're exactly where their sibling was going into 2nd who is currently in MS and that wasn't true a year ago. You guys overhype these issues. Kids are far more resilient than you think.

That's funny. Your kid is a first grader. Come back when they're in 4th +

My 6th grader also is doing fantastic. In fact there a dozen points over the 99th percentile every standardized test. The PP was right. The problem wasn't distance learning but checked out parents.

Agree at this point the pandemic is just an excuse for mediocrity.

I have a current 3rd grader who was placed in 4/5 next year and who has continued to do well, so this is not sour grapes, but these comments are incredibly tone deaf. A lot of kids with engaged and active parents struggled with distance learning for a variety of reasons, either educational or emotional. Other kids had parents who truly could not sit with them for hours at a time and/or could not afford to hire help.

We all did the best we could under the circumstances, and talking about "checked out parents" is both unkind and not a useful frame for evaluating learning loss.

I agree it wasn't easy. Personally, had to start my days at 4am so I could support my children during their school day to ensure they stayed on task and keep up with the demands of my job. I'm sure they would've done somewhat better in person but the impact was minimal at a significant cost to me.

I hope you are grateful you had a job with flexible hours. Not everyone does.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe they're cutting back on pushing so hard for this but when my kids were in ES it was 4 of the classes in compacted and 1 in regular - same in MS.

+1 I don't think past years can predict what they are doing in the future here. MCPS has signaled that covid learning losses are going to mean fewer kids in 4/5 next year.

My first grader seems to have easily made up for the lost ground in K already and would expect their experience is fairly normal...They're exactly where their sibling was going into 2nd who is currently in MS and that wasn't true a year ago. You guys overhype these issues. Kids are far more resilient than you think.

That's funny. Your kid is a first grader. Come back when they're in 4th +

My 6th grader also is doing fantastic. In fact there a dozen points over the 99th percentile every standardized test. The PP was right. The problem wasn't distance learning but checked out parents.

Agree at this point the pandemic is just an excuse for mediocrity.

I have a current 3rd grader who was placed in 4/5 next year and who has continued to do well, so this is not sour grapes, but these comments are incredibly tone deaf. A lot of kids with engaged and active parents struggled with distance learning for a variety of reasons, either educational or emotional. Other kids had parents who truly could not sit with them for hours at a time and/or could not afford to hire help.

We all did the best we could under the circumstances, and talking about "checked out parents" is both unkind and not a useful frame for evaluating learning loss.

I agree it wasn't easy. Personally, had to start my days at 4am so I could support my children during their school day to ensure they stayed on task and keep up with the demands of my job. I'm sure they would've done somewhat better in person but the impact was minimal at a significant cost to me.

I hope you are grateful you had a job with flexible hours. Not everyone does.

Even if you were able to sit with your kid during math, if it took that kind of parental involvement to have your child understand the math, it may not be the right level for them. My son was in 4/5 virtually and it was a struggle every day. It just moves so fast that they never really had the time to full grasp the concepts (which are pretty major concepts that you will use for the rest of your life) before moving on to the next thing. I asked his teacher several times if it would be better for him to move to regular 4th grade math and she kept saying no. And he kept struggling. And I don't think he ever really grasped division until the beginning of 5th grade. He did fine in 5/6 but I would MUCH rather he had the time to learn and absorb vs. rushing a 10 year old to keep moving on when they never really understood what was happening. And several friends were in the same boat.

My younger one is in regular 4th grade math next year and I'm so glad. I want him to actually learn this info. This need to have kids a half-grade ahead in math is so ridiculous to me.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe they're cutting back on pushing so hard for this but when my kids were in ES it was 4 of the classes in compacted and 1 in regular - same in MS.

+1 I don't think past years can predict what they are doing in the future here. MCPS has signaled that covid learning losses are going to mean fewer kids in 4/5 next year.

My first grader seems to have easily made up for the lost ground in K already and would expect their experience is fairly normal...They're exactly where their sibling was going into 2nd who is currently in MS and that wasn't true a year ago. You guys overhype these issues. Kids are far more resilient than you think.

That's funny. Your kid is a first grader. Come back when they're in 4th +

My 6th grader also is doing fantastic. In fact there a dozen points over the 99th percentile every standardized test. The PP was right. The problem wasn't distance learning but checked out parents.

Agree at this point the pandemic is just an excuse for mediocrity.

I have a current 3rd grader who was placed in 4/5 next year and who has continued to do well, so this is not sour grapes, but these comments are incredibly tone deaf. A lot of kids with engaged and active parents struggled with distance learning for a variety of reasons, either educational or emotional. Other kids had parents who truly could not sit with them for hours at a time and/or could not afford to hire help.

We all did the best we could under the circumstances, and talking about "checked out parents" is both unkind and not a useful frame for evaluating learning loss.

I agree it wasn't easy. Personally, had to start my days at 4am so I could support my children during their school day to ensure they stayed on task and keep up with the demands of my job. I'm sure they would've done somewhat better in person but the impact was minimal at a significant cost to me.

I hope you are grateful you had a job with flexible hours. Not everyone does.

Even if you were able to sit with your kid during math, if it took that kind of parental involvement to have your child understand the math, it may not be the right level for them. My son was in 4/5 virtually and it was a struggle every day. It just moves so fast that they never really had the time to full grasp the concepts (which are pretty major concepts that you will use for the rest of your life) before moving on to the next thing. I asked his teacher several times if it would be better for him to move to regular 4th grade math and she kept saying no. And he kept struggling. And I don't think he ever really grasped division until the beginning of 5th grade. He did fine in 5/6 but I would MUCH rather he had the time to learn and absorb vs. rushing a 10 year old to keep moving on when they never really understood what was happening. And several friends were in the same boat.

My younger one is in regular 4th grade math next year and I'm so glad. I want him to actually learn this info. This need to have kids a half-grade ahead in math is so ridiculous to me.

Well part of the problem is that mcps refused to have teachers teach on Wednesdays all year long. How are you supposed to cover everything you usually cover 5 days a week in 4 days? I get it for the first quarter while everyone was adjusting, but I literally don’t even know how the state of Maryland allowed this to go on in perpetuity. Cleaning day, yeah right. Nothing to clean until April 2021.

[Anonymous]

Are the kids taking math 4/5 in a separate homeroom in your school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are the kids taking math 4/5 in a separate homeroom in your school?

Not in our school. Homeroom only means that they have specials and lunch with those kids. Everything else is mixed up throughout the day (4th grade switches classes at our school). It may be different at schools where 4th does not switch classes.

[Anonymous]

It's not about being a half grade ahead as much as it is about meeting students' learning needs where they are. Too many bright kids who like math early on end up finding it boring a few years in -- not because they don't like it anymore, but because they master it quickly but are not given anything new and different to do. We don't want kids turned off to the subject (or to learning in general).

Same could be said about kids who need more time on concepts. Meet them where they are. Few folks complain about IEPs being available (though there are plenty of complaints about their implementation); talk about acceleration, though, and you get a horde of folks asking, "Who needs that, really?"