What’s with all the spring admit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a way of cheating in the USNWR rankings. The stats for the spring admits don’t count towards average GPA etc. College administrator here. University of Florida did something where low stats kids start online to make the university stats look better

It is not, Mr. College Administrator. It is a way to maximize enrollment and maximize revenue. A lot of kids graduate/drop out between fall and spring semester. Makes a perfect sense to do it.

Nope. You are wrong. Colleges are doing it to avoid reporting the stats of certain kids, like legacies. It’s all about gaming USNWR

Proof?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a way of cheating in the USNWR rankings. The stats for the spring admits don’t count towards average GPA etc. College administrator here. University of Florida did something where low stats kids start online to make the university stats look better

It is not, Mr. College Administrator. It is a way to maximize enrollment and maximize revenue. A lot of kids graduate/drop out between fall and spring semester. Makes a perfect sense to do it.

Nope. You are wrong. Colleges are doing it to avoid reporting the stats of certain kids, like legacies. It’s all about gaming USNWR

Proof?

NP. The most famous case of this is Northeastern. See this article from 2014, "How to Game the College Rankings"
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

Aoun also began using spring enrollment to his advantage. In 2007 the school introduced N.U.in, a program that invites students with lower grades and SAT scores to spend their first semester abroad and begin their on-campus experience in the spring. U.S. News does not collect data for spring entrants, so those students’ lower grades and scores are excluded from the rankings. Editor Brian Kelly explains that U.S. News doesn’t require spring data because the federal government doesn’t either, but he concedes, “It’s possible that is a gaming window.”

[Anonymous]

I doubt that the number of spring admits is big enough at most schools to move the needle that much on USNWR rankings, so I’m a little dubious of those claims, TBH. I’m sure some do it and might have some marginal effect, but I doubt its the primary reason for most schools. A lot of spring admits are HS recruited athletes who graduate in December so they can enroll and be on campus in January for the spring season or practice. Baseball players do it. Football players do it to make spring practice before the fall season starts. Less so for sports that straddle semesters (like basketball and hockey).

Then there is $ mentioned. Every school will have some attrition, and they want to have backfill for those spots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I doubt that the number of spring admits is big enough at most schools to move the needle that much on USNWR rankings, so I’m a little dubious of those claims, TBH. I’m sure some do it and might have some marginal effect, but I doubt its the primary reason for most schools. A lot of spring admits are HS recruited athletes who graduate in December so they can enroll and be on campus in January for the spring season or practice. Baseball players do it. Football players do it to make spring practice before the fall season starts. Less so for sports that straddle semesters (like basketball and hockey).

Then there is $ mentioned. Every school will have some attrition, and they want to have backfill for those spots.

It may not be enough at most schools, but in the case of Northeastern, spring admits historically have been around 15% plus internationals (which Northeastern also does not report scores for) are another 15%, so around one-third of their enrolled class is not included in their reported stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a way of cheating in the USNWR rankings. The stats for the spring admits don’t count towards average GPA etc. College administrator here. University of Florida did something where low stats kids start online to make the university stats look better

It is not, Mr. College Administrator. It is a way to maximize enrollment and maximize revenue. A lot of kids graduate/drop out between fall and spring semester. Makes a perfect sense to do it.

Nope. You are wrong. Colleges are doing it to avoid reporting the stats of certain kids, like legacies. It’s all about gaming USNWR

Proof?

NP. The most famous case of this is Northeastern. See this article from 2014, "How to Game the College Rankings"
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2014/08/26/how-northeastern-gamed-the-college-rankings/

Aoun also began using spring enrollment to his advantage. In 2007 the school introduced N.U.in, a program that invites students with lower grades and SAT scores to spend their first semester abroad and begin their on-campus experience in the spring. U.S. News does not collect data for spring entrants, so those students’ lower grades and scores are excluded from the rankings. Editor Brian Kelly explains that U.S. News doesn’t require spring data because the federal government doesn’t either, but he concedes, “It’s possible that is a gaming window.”

That doesn't prove it though. Causation and correlation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can take kids with lower stats who are full pay. This is the group that benefits the most it seems.

It's always full pay kids and it is always about playing with stats. That's true. But it's no longer about getting rich, low SAT kids in -- it's about gaming the diversity numbers.

These days, Spring Admits and "early starts" are almost universally high socioeconomic white/asian kids. The school gets these high achieving/non-diverse kids without having to count them when reporting that X% of the incoming class are diverse admits, X% are first gen, etc.

My high SAT/GPA DD (1580/A-) was accepted to a "summer start" program and a two Spring Admit program. The zooms for each were full of white or asian kids (no other diversity at all). It was stark and impossible not to notice. Our CCO has been blunt that this is the new reality.

Schools are gaming the system for sure, it's just the category that has shifted.

I'm confused. Wouldn't a kid with these stats be admitted for a fall start, but someone full pay but lower stats is accepted summer/spring admit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can take kids with lower stats who are full pay. This is the group that benefits the most it seems.

It's always full pay kids and it is always about playing with stats. That's true. But it's no longer about getting rich, low SAT kids in -- it's about gaming the diversity numbers.

These days, Spring Admits and "early starts" are almost universally high socioeconomic white/asian kids. The school gets these high achieving/non-diverse kids without having to count them when reporting that X% of the incoming class are diverse admits, X% are first gen, etc.

My high SAT/GPA DD (1580/A-) was accepted to a "summer start" program and a two Spring Admit program. The zooms for each were full of white or asian kids (no other diversity at all). It was stark and impossible not to notice. Our CCO has been blunt that this is the new reality.

Schools are gaming the system for sure, it's just the category that has shifted.

I'm confused. Wouldn't a kid with these stats be admitted for a fall start, but someone full pay but lower stats is accepted summer/spring admit?

Nope, not any more. Now the colleges are "gaming" the demographic group reporting (not the standardized testing numbers). Meaning: since every school now wants to show high diversity and first gen numbers, they use these programs to fill spots for white/asian kids without impacting the diversity numbers they have to show for the fall). They still want high stat kids and, like it or not, a lot of high stat kids are white/asian, so they still want those kids they just don't want to look like the school "isn't diverse enough." Another way for schools to play games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can take kids with lower stats who are full pay. This is the group that benefits the most it seems.

It's always full pay kids and it is always about playing with stats. That's true. But it's no longer about getting rich, low SAT kids in -- it's about gaming the diversity numbers.

These days, Spring Admits and "early starts" are almost universally high socioeconomic white/asian kids. The school gets these high achieving/non-diverse kids without having to count them when reporting that X% of the incoming class are diverse admits, X% are first gen, etc.

My high SAT/GPA DD (1580/A-) was accepted to a "summer start" program and a two Spring Admit program. The zooms for each were full of white or asian kids (no other diversity at all). It was stark and impossible not to notice. Our CCO has been blunt that this is the new reality.

Schools are gaming the system for sure, it's just the category that has shifted.

Yep +1

[Anonymous]

Most of the schools accept large number of transfer students
You can just accept bunch of transfer students if you want to avoid reporting SAT scores.

SAT scores for Northeasterns's NUIN are not significantly lower.
Just slightly lower. It's a variation of various transfer program

Nobody ever broght up the issue of not reporting SAT scores of transfer students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can take kids with lower stats who are full pay. This is the group that benefits the most it seems.

It's always full pay kids and it is always about playing with stats. That's true. But it's no longer about getting rich, low SAT kids in -- it's about gaming the diversity numbers.

These days, Spring Admits and "early starts" are almost universally high socioeconomic white/asian kids. The school gets these high achieving/non-diverse kids without having to count them when reporting that X% of the incoming class are diverse admits, X% are first gen, etc.

My high SAT/GPA DD (1580/A-) was accepted to a "summer start" program and a two Spring Admit program. The zooms for each were full of white or asian kids (no other diversity at all). It was stark and impossible not to notice. Our CCO has been blunt that this is the new reality.

Schools are gaming the system for sure, it's just the category that has shifted.

And where did you get all this information from? Source?

I'm confused. Wouldn't a kid with these stats be admitted for a fall start, but someone full pay but lower stats is accepted summer/spring admit?

Nope, not any more. Now the colleges are "gaming" the demographic group reporting (not the standardized testing numbers). Meaning: since every school now wants to show high diversity and first gen numbers, they use these programs to fill spots for white/asian kids without impacting the diversity numbers they have to show for the fall). They still want high stat kids and, like it or not, a lot of high stat kids are white/asian, so they still want those kids they just don't want to look like the school "isn't diverse enough." Another way for schools to play games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can take kids with lower stats who are full pay. This is the group that benefits the most it seems.

It's always full pay kids and it is always about playing with stats. That's true. But it's no longer about getting rich, low SAT kids in -- it's about gaming the diversity numbers.

These days, Spring Admits and "early starts" are almost universally high socioeconomic white/asian kids. The school gets these high achieving/non-diverse kids without having to count them when reporting that X% of the incoming class are diverse admits, X% are first gen, etc.

My high SAT/GPA DD (1580/A-) was accepted to a "summer start" program and a two Spring Admit program. The zooms for each were full of white or asian kids (no other diversity at all). It was stark and impossible not to notice. Our CCO has been blunt that this is the new reality.

Schools are gaming the system for sure, it's just the category that has shifted.

that's crazy.. which school is this? did your kid take good combo of AP/IB/Honor classes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can take kids with lower stats who are full pay. This is the group that benefits the most it seems.

It's always full pay kids and it is always about playing with stats. That's true. But it's no longer about getting rich, low SAT kids in -- it's about gaming the diversity numbers.

These days, Spring Admits and "early starts" are almost universally high socioeconomic white/asian kids. The school gets these high achieving/non-diverse kids without having to count them when reporting that X% of the incoming class are diverse admits, X% are first gen, etc.

My high SAT/GPA DD (1580/A-) was accepted to a "summer start" program and a two Spring Admit program. The zooms for each were full of white or asian kids (no other diversity at all). It was stark and impossible not to notice. Our CCO has been blunt that this is the new reality.

Schools are gaming the system for sure, it's just the category that has shifted.

I'm confused. Wouldn't a kid with these stats be admitted for a fall start, but someone full pay but lower stats is accepted summer/spring admit?

Nope, not any more. Now the colleges are "gaming" the demographic group reporting (not the standardized testing numbers). Meaning: since every school now wants to show high diversity and first gen numbers, they use these programs to fill spots for white/asian kids without impacting the diversity numbers they have to show for the fall). They still want high stat kids and, like it or not, a lot of high stat kids are white/asian, so they still want those kids they just don't want to look like the school "isn't diverse enough." Another way for schools to play games.

Okay, got it. I had only heard about taking full pay kids with lower stats in these "off" seasons, but had not heard about it for other demographic reasons.