Restraints talk to me ASFS parent’s

[Anonymous]

Never heard of such a room, ask the counselor maybe?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve had kids at asfs for over a decade and never heard of this. One of my kids was literally strangled five years ago (had bruises on his neck for several weeks, they called an ambulance at the time), and the kid who did it was not sent to a restraining room.

Not OP but they are not talking about interactions with other students. They are talking about restraint/seclusion by staff.

Ok, but if there’s ever a reason to retrain a kid strangulation would be at the top of the list.

Actually no it isn’t. A seclusion room is for kids who are out of control and cannot be managed by other less restrictive means. Use is not necessarily based on the behavior but rather the ability to calm down and get back under control. What happened to your kid sounds more akin to a school fight which typically ends as soon as the kids can be separated. A seclusion room would be more for the situation where a kid is destroying a classroom.

This is not to minimize what happened to your child. But you really don’t seem to understand when seclusion is used.

You are responding to a different person btw.
The kid who strangled my son had issues, he strangled three other kids in extended day earlier in the year, and had thrown scissors at another kid in my sons class earlier that week. My son was in first grade when it happened, it wasn’t a school fight and in retrospect was really really disturbing. There was a hearing about the incident— the kid who did it was essentially expelled because they thought he was a danger to other kids.
Either way I have no idea if there is a restraining room— any idea where it is? I’m guessing the trailers? There aren’t any secret rooms that weren’t turned into classrooms in the year before covid, so I don’t know where they would have had it.

It’s doubtful that the kid was expelled. School systems are obligated to provide an education for all kids. If mainstream was not successful, the school would have had to place him elsewhere - either a different public program or a private school. The alternative placement would be at the school district’s expense. I’m sure this was tough for all involved.

[Anonymous]

It isn’t happening, OP.

[Anonymous]

I’ve worked in APS schools that had sensory rooms for students who needed to calm down outside of the classroom. They had things like weighted blankets, play doh, yoga balls. They weren’t meant for restraint/seclusion.

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There were parents who complained in the past. I am not sure what the room looked like but I got the impression it was a classroom space with little to nothing in it. Some kids become so angry they could hurt themselves while raging. I
believe they stopped using any form of isolation or seclusion now and just do like a pp mentioned - clear the classroom the child is in.

Yes, someone in the school needs to know how to restrain a child because it really happens they become out of control. This doesn't feel good to the child who likely doesn't want to be out of control but feels so overwhelmed they can't stop themselves.

TBH I think the pendulum has swung too far and the push for inclusiveness harms all the children involved in the incidents. I do think we need more specialized aids and teachers specifically trained to deal with situations and to be able to evaluate situations for possible overwhelm and then have a place they can take the child to prevent that from happening. A pp mentioned a sensory room where students can using calming techniques for example. Or maybe there needs to be a mid tier class - something between mainstream and self contained - a smaller class size with easy access to a calming environment room and more classroom aids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve had kids at asfs for over a decade and never heard of this. One of my kids was literally strangled five years ago (had bruises on his neck for several weeks, they called an ambulance at the time), and the kid who did it was not sent to a restraining room.

Not OP but they are not talking about interactions with other students. They are talking about restraint/seclusion by staff.

Ok, but if there’s ever a reason to retrain a kid strangulation would be at the top of the list.

Actually no it isn’t. A seclusion room is for kids who are out of control and cannot be managed by other less restrictive means. Use is not necessarily based on the behavior but rather the ability to calm down and get back under control. What happened to your kid sounds more akin to a school fight which typically ends as soon as the kids can be separated. A seclusion room would be more for the situation where a kid is destroying a classroom.

This is not to minimize what happened to your child. But you really don’t seem to understand when seclusion is used.

You are responding to a different person btw.
The kid who strangled my son had issues, he strangled three other kids in extended day earlier in the year, and had thrown scissors at another kid in my sons class earlier that week. My son was in first grade when it happened, it wasn’t a school fight and in retrospect was really really disturbing. There was a hearing about the incident— the kid who did it was essentially expelled because they thought he was a danger to other kids.
Either way I have no idea if there is a restraining room— any idea where it is? I’m guessing the trailers? There aren’t any secret rooms that weren’t turned into classrooms in the year before covid, so I don’t know where they would have had it.

It’s doubtful that the kid was expelled. School systems are obligated to provide an education for all kids. If mainstream was not successful, the school would have had to place him elsewhere - either a different public program or a private school. The alternative placement would be at the school district’s expense. I’m sure this was tough for all involved.

Yes, that’s what I meant by expelled. It was very bad at the time, I think his parents ended up going private. It was interesting to hear how they explained it to my son, he had a whole lot of canned phrases he said whenever you asked him about it. things like “everyone gets mad sometimes and it’s not anything I did. Larlo has trouble processing his anger.” The counselor at Asfs at the time and his teacher have since retired but I thought overall they handled it as well as they could.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There were parents who complained in the past. I am not sure what the room looked like but I got the impression it was a classroom space with little to nothing in it. Some kids become so angry they could hurt themselves while raging. I
believe they stopped using any form of isolation or seclusion now and just do like a pp mentioned - clear the classroom the child is in.

Yes, someone in the school needs to know how to restrain a child because it really happens they become out of control. This doesn't feel good to the child who likely doesn't want to be out of control but feels so overwhelmed they can't stop themselves.

TBH I think the pendulum has swung too far and the push for inclusiveness harms all the children involved in the incidents. I do think we need more specialized aids and teachers specifically trained to deal with situations and to be able to evaluate situations for possible overwhelm and then have a place they can take the child to prevent that from happening. A pp mentioned a sensory room where students can using calming techniques for example. Or maybe there needs to be a mid tier class - something between mainstream and self contained - a smaller class size with easy access to a calming environment room and more classroom aids.

Most school systems do have all sorts of programs available. Thing is until your kid needs it you really don’t learn about them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It isn’t happening, OP.

Yes it is. Take a tour

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t happening, OP.

Yes it is. Take a tour

What exactly did you see?

And you don’t have a child there?