2010 Girls Discussion

[soccertrio]

soccerx3kidsss wrote:Stay far away from Mclean (VA UNION now) ECNL program. So-so-sooooo disorganized. Poor management at every level. Toxic teams and club as a whole. They make promises they have no intention of keeping. The coaching staff is like a mafia. You can tell weird shady crap is happening behind the scenes. We left mid-way through the year it was so bad and it was the best decision we ever made. Our player started loving the sport again. They love to brag and take credit for players they poached from other clubs but never actually developed. They just try and manufacture teams and will cut your player as soon as something they think better comes along. They have a small handful of coaches that are coaching a million teams at once. They will do as good of a job as you'd expect them to do when working 12 jobs at once. It's just SO disorganized. It's just not the environment you need at any age. Soccer should be fun. Find a place that's fun, where they play and learn, and where your coach cares about you on a deeper level than just knowing your first name. They really love boasting about how amazing they think are though. Makes me laugh.

soccerx3kidsss wrote: OR someone who spent several years with the club and had enough. We lived through it. She is now committed to playing soccer in college. She's no Ronaldo but she's pretty darn good. I'm more of a Messi fan anyways. This is just a straight-up personal experience that almost wrecked another kid who loves the game.

LOL come on. Please don't speak about your kid like this, your kid doesn't deserve this. This is the U13 soccer, "committed to playing soccer in college"

[mdsoccerdad]

SDSoccerDad wrote:

soccer_dc wrote:This is a troll post, right? Traveling to scout clubs for a 12 year old? Just start with the one closest to where you’ll live

You haven't observed soccer outside of this cozy DMV bubble clearly, but thanks for your input on our spring break travel decisions. Any 2010 parents with insights/perspectives on how those three 2010 team's rosters are shaking out for the upcoming u-13 season as the OP asked would be appreciated.

Its such a young age group- the first ECNL year........ the roster will change 3 or 4 times before shes even in high school.

Ive been through it all with multiple kids playing EDP, ECNL, etc.

She's a 2010 or 2009? Check the coaching slate for bethesda for next year- 2010 is Matt Ney, not Dave. if anyone thinks DG is a screamer based on what theyve seen over the last 24 months, you all havent seen KL or SC then. DG has softened quite a bit. KL runs the ECNL girls show- what he says goes, so be prepared for that.

Also note that if you live in MD and play travel soccer in VA, at the high school age when shes playing high school soccer, she'll be having high school soccer training 5 days a week, (or 3 with games 2 days a week), PLUS be expected to make travel soccer training and weekend games. Many VA clubs look down on this, as its just too much of a strain on a youth athlete. Dont do it. So keep that in mind.

[mdsoccerdad]

SDSoccerDad wrote:

Last option, would be playing EDP with 2010 Boys with her first coach, someone's perspective I trust above all, and he believes if my DD is good enough the ECNL clubs will still be an option 2-3 years from now when it really matters what club you are at from a college id/recruiting stand point. At this age, working on technique daily and challenging yourself with the increased speed and physicality of the boys game will be more impactful for my DD. I really don't know...?

So what is the 2010 Girls soccer landscape shaking out like as the u-12 year is wrapping up?

Plenty of good EDP girls teams in this area as well.

And yeah- no crazy rush to get her on an ECNL team now. Also, be prepared for her to be a star right now and 2nd team material in a few years. not saying that will happen but too many think talent now means talent forever.

[Mdmom22]

mdsoccerdad wrote:

SDSoccerDad wrote:

Last option, would be playing EDP with 2010 Boys with her first coach, someone's perspective I trust above all, and he believes if my DD is good enough the ECNL clubs will still be an option 2-3 years from now when it really matters what club you are at from a college id/recruiting stand point. At this age, working on technique daily and challenging yourself with the increased speed and physicality of the boys game will be more impactful for my DD. I really don't know...?

So what is the 2010 Girls soccer landscape shaking out like as the u-12 year is wrapping up?

Plenty of good EDP girls teams in this area as well.

And yeah- no crazy rush to get her on an ECNL team now. Also, be prepared for her to be a star right now and 2nd team material in a few years. not saying that will happen but too many think talent now means talent forever.

I would put her on an excellent EDP girls team first (at least top 2 EDP divisions) if playing with 2010 boys is at a lower level of play, that is (below the top 2 EDP divisions). There are a couple of girls that play in my boys EDP divisions who are as good or better than some of the boys and would be shoeins for ECNL teams (if they were interested). At less competitive boy levels, the increased speed and physicality isn't really much of a challenge for more skilled and smart soccer players. At least that has been our experience with one kid playing up, and that's what you'll read here on this board - playing up is not worth it unless you're playing up on a very good team. Or applied to your scenario, playing with boys would not be worth it unless it's on a very good team as well.

[soccerx3kidsss]

soccertrio wrote:

soccerx3kidsss wrote:Stay far away from Mclean (VA UNION now) ECNL program. So-so-sooooo disorganized. Poor management at every level. Toxic teams and club as a whole. They make promises they have no intention of keeping. The coaching staff is like a mafia. You can tell weird shady crap is happening behind the scenes. We left mid-way through the year it was so bad and it was the best decision we ever made. Our player started loving the sport again. They love to brag and take credit for players they poached from other clubs but never actually developed. They just try and manufacture teams and will cut your player as soon as something they think better comes along. They have a small handful of coaches that are coaching a million teams at once. They will do as good of a job as you'd expect them to do when working 12 jobs at once. It's just SO disorganized. It's just not the environment you need at any age. Soccer should be fun. Find a place that's fun, where they play and learn, and where your coach cares about you on a deeper level than just knowing your first name. They really love boasting about how amazing they think are though. Makes me laugh.

soccerx3kidsss wrote: OR someone who spent several years with the club and had enough. We lived through it. She is now committed to playing soccer in college. She's no Ronaldo but she's pretty darn good. I'm more of a Messi fan anyways. This is just a straight-up personal experience that almost wrecked another kid who loves the game.

LOL come on. Please don't speak about your kid like this, your kid doesn't deserve this. This is the U13 soccer, "committed to playing soccer in college"

My older DD is. She's 17. What is the problem with that? I'm not talking soccer scholarships for 12 year olds. I am telling you my experience over the years and where we are now.

[SDSoccerDad]

Mdmom22 wrote:

mdsoccerdad wrote:

SDSoccerDad wrote:

Last option, would be playing EDP with 2010 Boys with her first coach, someone's perspective I trust above all, and he believes if my DD is good enough the ECNL clubs will still be an option 2-3 years from now when it really matters what club you are at from a college id/recruiting stand point. At this age, working on technique daily and challenging yourself with the increased speed and physicality of the boys game will be more impactful for my DD. I really don't know...?

So what is the 2010 Girls soccer landscape shaking out like as the u-12 year is wrapping up?

Plenty of good EDP girls teams in this area as well.

And yeah- no crazy rush to get her on an ECNL team now. Also, be prepared for her to be a star right now and 2nd team material in a few years. not saying that will happen but too many think talent now means talent forever.

I would put her on an excellent EDP girls team first (at least top 2 EDP divisions) if playing with 2010 boys is at a lower level of play, that is (below the top 2 EDP divisions). There are a couple of girls that play in my boys EDP divisions who are as good or better than some of the boys and would be shoeins for ECNL teams (if they were interested). At less competitive boy levels, the increased speed and physicality isn't really much of a challenge for more skilled and smart soccer players. At least that has been our experience with one kid playing up, and that's what you'll read here on this board - playing up is not worth it unless you're playing up on a very good team. Or applied to your scenario, playing with boys would not be worth it unless it's on a very good team as well.

Any rule against playing on both teams Girls ECNL and Boys EDP? Too much soccer probably but are there any rules against this I wonder...

[mdsoccerdad]

SDSoccerDad wrote:

Mdmom22 wrote:

mdsoccerdad wrote:

SDSoccerDad wrote:

Last option, would be playing EDP with 2010 Boys with her first coach, someone's perspective I trust above all, and he believes if my DD is good enough the ECNL clubs will still be an option 2-3 years from now when it really matters what club you are at from a college id/recruiting stand point. At this age, working on technique daily and challenging yourself with the increased speed and physicality of the boys game will be more impactful for my DD. I really don't know...?

So what is the 2010 Girls soccer landscape shaking out like as the u-12 year is wrapping up?

Plenty of good EDP girls teams in this area as well.

And yeah- no crazy rush to get her on an ECNL team now. Also, be prepared for her to be a star right now and 2nd team material in a few years. not saying that will happen but too many think talent now means talent forever.

I would put her on an excellent EDP girls team first (at least top 2 EDP divisions) if playing with 2010 boys is at a lower level of play, that is (below the top 2 EDP divisions). There are a couple of girls that play in my boys EDP divisions who are as good or better than some of the boys and would be shoeins for ECNL teams (if they were interested). At less competitive boy levels, the increased speed and physicality isn't really much of a challenge for more skilled and smart soccer players. At least that has been our experience with one kid playing up, and that's what you'll read here on this board - playing up is not worth it unless you're playing up on a very good team. Or applied to your scenario, playing with boys would not be worth it unless it's on a very good team as well.

Any rule against playing on both teams Girls ECNL and Boys EDP? Too much soccer probably but are there any rules against this I wonder...

she can be carded in both ECNL and EDP- no conflicts on those cards

[SoccerCzar]

Does anyone know when and where the U12 Girls VPSL state cup final is between SYC and VYS? ... or maybe it already happened. If so, result? Thanks

[soccer_dc]

SoccerCzar wrote:Does anyone know when and where the U12 Girls VPSL state cup final is between SYC and VYS? ... or maybe it already happened. If so, result? Thanks

Doesn't look like they've reached the final yet.Semi's are next weekend. https://www.vysa.com/thestatecup


2010 girls schedule: https://vysa-2022springstatecup.sportsaffinity.com/tour/public/info/schedule_ladderview2.asp?sessionguid=&flightguid=261F307D-D722-435B-943F-FD6E0575385C&RoundType=0&sortby=Group&tournamentguid=74D845F8-5384-4584-A5DF-A61B803EA1FC

[SoccerCzar]

soccer_dc wrote:

SoccerCzar wrote:Does anyone know when and where the U12 Girls VPSL state cup final is between SYC and VYS? ... or maybe it already happened. If so, result? Thanks

Doesn't look like they've reached the final yet.Semi's are next weekend. https://www.vysa.com/thestatecup


2010 girls schedule: https://vysa-2022springstatecup.sportsaffinity.com/tour/public/info/schedule_ladderview2.asp?sessionguid=&flightguid=261F307D-D722-435B-943F-FD6E0575385C&RoundType=0&sortby=Group&tournamentguid=74D845F8-5384-4584-A5DF-A61B803EA1FC

Thanks. That's USYS. I'm asking about the Club Soccer state cup or as they call it...VPSL.

https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/11623/schedules?group=61187

[SoccerCzar]

mdsoccerdad wrote:

SDSoccerDad wrote:

Mdmom22 wrote:

mdsoccerdad wrote:

SDSoccerDad wrote:

Last option, would be playing EDP with 2010 Boys with her first coach, someone's perspective I trust above all, and he believes if my DD is good enough the ECNL clubs will still be an option 2-3 years from now when it really matters what club you are at from a college id/recruiting stand point. At this age, working on technique daily and challenging yourself with the increased speed and physicality of the boys game will be more impactful for my DD. I really don't know...?

So what is the 2010 Girls soccer landscape shaking out like as the u-12 year is wrapping up?

Plenty of good EDP girls teams in this area as well.

And yeah- no crazy rush to get her on an ECNL team now. Also, be prepared for her to be a star right now and 2nd team material in a few years. not saying that will happen but too many think talent now means talent forever.

I would put her on an excellent EDP girls team first (at least top 2 EDP divisions) if playing with 2010 boys is at a lower level of play, that is (below the top 2 EDP divisions). There are a couple of girls that play in my boys EDP divisions who are as good or better than some of the boys and would be shoeins for ECNL teams (if they were interested). At less competitive boy levels, the increased speed and physicality isn't really much of a challenge for more skilled and smart soccer players. At least that has been our experience with one kid playing up, and that's what you'll read here on this board - playing up is not worth it unless you're playing up on a very good team. Or applied to your scenario, playing with boys would not be worth it unless it's on a very good team as well.

Any rule against playing on both teams Girls ECNL and Boys EDP? Too much soccer probably but are there any rules against this I wonder...

she can be carded in both ECNL and EDP- no conflicts on those cards

True BUT...check the ECNL rules and with your coach/team manager. I know on the boys side, ECNL only allows a certain number of "discovery players" who can be carded on another team even if it's a USYS team.

[soccer_dc]

SoccerCzar wrote:

soccer_dc wrote:

SoccerCzar wrote:Does anyone know when and where the U12 Girls VPSL state cup final is between SYC and VYS? ... or maybe it already happened. If so, result? Thanks

Doesn't look like they've reached the final yet.Semi's are next weekend. https://www.vysa.com/thestatecup


2010 girls schedule: https://vysa-2022springstatecup.sportsaffinity.com/tour/public/info/schedule_ladderview2.asp?sessionguid=&flightguid=261F307D-D722-435B-943F-FD6E0575385C&RoundType=0&sortby=Group&tournamentguid=74D845F8-5384-4584-A5DF-A61B803EA1FC

Thanks. That's USYS. I'm asking about the Club Soccer state cup or as they call it...VPSL.

https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/11623/schedules?group=61187

I had no idea there were 2 state cups! VPSL looks like a smaller field with only a few strong teams. Are there really just 7 teams in a tournament that declares a statewide winner?

[SoccerCzar]

soccer_dc wrote:

SoccerCzar wrote:

soccer_dc wrote:

SoccerCzar wrote:Does anyone know when and where the U12 Girls VPSL state cup final is between SYC and VYS? ... or maybe it already happened. If so, result? Thanks

Doesn't look like they've reached the final yet.Semi's are next weekend. https://www.vysa.com/thestatecup


2010 girls schedule: https://vysa-2022springstatecup.sportsaffinity.com/tour/public/info/schedule_ladderview2.asp?sessionguid=&flightguid=261F307D-D722-435B-943F-FD6E0575385C&RoundType=0&sortby=Group&tournamentguid=74D845F8-5384-4584-A5DF-A61B803EA1FC

Thanks. That's USYS. I'm asking about the Club Soccer state cup or as they call it...VPSL.

https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/11623/schedules?group=61187

I had no idea there were 2 state cups! VPSL looks like a smaller field with only a few strong teams. Are there really just 7 teams in a tournament that declares a statewide winner?

Yes, there's only a few teams. obviously it's not as "prestigious" as the USYS state cup (and there's plenty of people that like to slam the USYS state cup because ECNL teams (and MLS Next teams on the boys side) don't join. But it is what it is. VPSL was/is the previous NPL league that now turns into ECNL-R at U13 I THINK, so VPSL state cup is really only a league championship....but a championship none the less.

[realdmv]

SoccerCzar wrote:

soccer_dc wrote:

SoccerCzar wrote:

soccer_dc wrote:

SoccerCzar wrote:Does anyone know when and where the U12 Girls VPSL state cup final is between SYC and VYS? ... or maybe it already happened. If so, result? Thanks

Doesn't look like they've reached the final yet.Semi's are next weekend. https://www.vysa.com/thestatecup


2010 girls schedule: https://vysa-2022springstatecup.sportsaffinity.com/tour/public/info/schedule_ladderview2.asp?sessionguid=&flightguid=261F307D-D722-435B-943F-FD6E0575385C&RoundType=0&sortby=Group&tournamentguid=74D845F8-5384-4584-A5DF-A61B803EA1FC

Thanks. That's USYS. I'm asking about the Club Soccer state cup or as they call it...VPSL.

https://system.gotsport.com/org_event/events/11623/schedules?group=61187

I had no idea there were 2 state cups! VPSL looks like a smaller field with only a few strong teams. Are there really just 7 teams in a tournament that declares a statewide winner?

Yes, there's only a few teams. obviously it's not as "prestigious" as the USYS state cup (and there's plenty of people that like to slam the USYS state cup because ECNL teams (and MLS Next teams on the boys side) don't join. But it is what it is. VPSL was/is the previous NPL league that now turns into ECNL-R at U13 I THINK, so VPSL state cup is really only a league championship....but a championship none the less.

I just don't understand. Oh wait, it's ECNL trying to take over the soccer world! Another way for them to make money. Makes no sense at all. They travel to COLORADO for a second or third tier teams.

[Anonymous]

SDSoccerDad wrote:Visited DC area with my DD during her spring break to check out 6 different area clubs. She's a high level player and got ECNL/GA team offers/interest from all 6, but the 3 I'd to hear more perspectives about are Arlington, VA Union, and Bethesda. Here is my take, what am I missing?

Arlington - Trained with 2010 age group which was the weakest of the three but the club was far and way the most communicative which matters to me since I don't live here yet. Its closest to our would be home in DC, the new Director from Ukrainian Nationals seems legit, and the opportunity to play up with 2009's is on the table as well.

VA Union - Trained with 2009's and some 2008's from ECNL player pool, felt like a factory, pretty impersonal but those girls could definitely play, I guess the player pathway track record speaks for itself. I've heard 2010's ECNL squad will be all SYC players except for 3 from McLean, and continued to be coached by EM from SYC. Is this a good thing, continuity and all; or will it be hard for outside players to break in? They will roster 20+ players which I'm not in favor of but if your DD is good enough than it may be worth the risk? To me it seems like too much for 12 year old girls but I guess its the price of competition.

Bethesda - The coach DG is intense but my DD played her best futbol over two trainings with his 2009 ECNL and the 2010 Pre-ECNL squads. MD clubs seem to be on a completely different schedule form the VA clubs, which is confusing. Don't believe they have a had tryouts so their roster seems to be in flux and they definitely need some more players as the squad is small. The only club where there was no offer from but Trained multiple times and my DD was invited to play in a Memorial Day tournament. This was the most united squad of the three and the girls welcomed my DD, knew her name from the get go, complimented her play and as a result this is where she wants to play. I have my reservations, but would like to hear more perspectives, what am I missing?

Last option, would be playing EDP with 2010 Boys with her first coach, someone's perspective I trust above all, and he believes if my DD is good enough the ECNL clubs will still be an option 2-3 years from now when it really matters what club you are at from a college id/recruiting stand point. At this age, working on technique daily and challenging yourself with the increased speed and physicality of the boys game will be more impactful for my DD. I really don't know...?

So what is the 2010 Girls soccer landscape shaking out like as the u-12 year is wrapping up?

A few years have passed what have you learned?