Be heard about the local building norm changes to AAP Screening Pool

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, does it matter? Was anyone on this board not going to submit a parent referral? My oldest kid wasn’t in pool and got in first round, my middle kid was in pool but we needed to appeal for him to get in. So for my family this pool business is not meaningful.

This board is a fraction of the number of parents of kids who are in AAP. Anyone on this board? What sort of a measure is that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, does it matter? Was anyone on this board not going to submit a parent referral? My oldest kid wasn’t in pool and got in first round, my middle kid was in pool but we needed to appeal for him to get in. So for my family this pool business is not meaningful.

This board is a fraction of the number of parents of kids who are in AAP. Anyone on this board? What sort of a measure is that?

The people who are most affected, those whose kids have CogATs above 132 and were not in pool, will apply for their child if they care about AAP. The ones who do not apply are probably comfortable with the education their kid is going to get in the Gen Ed classroom.

If they were raising the in-pool score at scores that have been underrepresented in AAP, you would have a very different situation because the parents at those schools don't know about AAP at all or don't know that they can apply for AAP.

The majority of the kids considered for AAP are done so through parent referrals and not through test scores as it is. This really only increases the number of referrals and it makes the parents of higher SES schools apply.

So yeah, I suspect that the parents most affected by this change in a negative manner are the parents who would know about the program and are in a good place to choose to apply anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, does it matter? Was anyone on this board not going to submit a parent referral? My oldest kid wasn’t in pool and got in first round, my middle kid was in pool but we needed to appeal for him to get in. So for my family this pool business is not meaningful.

This board is a fraction of the number of parents of kids who are in AAP. Anyone on this board? What sort of a measure is that?

The people who are most affected, those whose kids have CogATs above 132 and were not in pool, will apply for their child if they care about AAP. The ones who do not apply are probably comfortable with the education their kid is going to get in the Gen Ed classroom.

If they were raising the in-pool score at scores that have been underrepresented in AAP, you would have a very different situation because the parents at those schools don't know about AAP at all or don't know that they can apply for AAP.

The majority of the kids considered for AAP are done so through parent referrals and not through test scores as it is. This really only increases the number of referrals and it makes the parents of higher SES schools apply.

So yeah, I suspect that the parents most affected by this change in a negative manner are the parents who would know about the program and are in a good place to choose to apply anyway.

I don't know. We're at a "good" center as our base. My neighbors don't speak a word of English. Now it's even harder for their kids to be screened. #equity?

[Anonymous]

I just want the know what building norm if any was used for my school. Is that too much to ask for?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just want the know what building norm if any was used for my school. Is that too much to ask for?

Someone suggested you could see if your school's testing coordinator (I think usually an assistant principal) knows and/or will tell you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, does it matter? Was anyone on this board not going to submit a parent referral? My oldest kid wasn’t in pool and got in first round, my middle kid was in pool but we needed to appeal for him to get in. So for my family this pool business is not meaningful.

This board is a fraction of the number of parents of kids who are in AAP. Anyone on this board? What sort of a measure is that?

The people who are most affected, those whose kids have CogATs above 132 and were not in pool, will apply for their child if they care about AAP. The ones who do not apply are probably comfortable with the education their kid is going to get in the Gen Ed classroom.

If they were raising the in-pool score at scores that have been underrepresented in AAP, you would have a very different situation because the parents at those schools don't know about AAP at all or don't know that they can apply for AAP.

The majority of the kids considered for AAP are done so through parent referrals and not through test scores as it is. This really only increases the number of referrals and it makes the parents of higher SES schools apply.

So yeah, I suspect that the parents most affected by this change in a negative manner are the parents who would know about the program and are in a good place to choose to apply anyway.

I don't know. We're at a "good" center as our base. My neighbors don't speak a word of English. Now it's even harder for their kids to be screened. #equity?

No system is perfect, but I'm pretty sure the number of non-English speaking parents is greater at Title I schools than it is at the "good" centers. If the family at your school is not in-pool and fails to parent-refer, they will at least have the benefit of higher-level Gen Ed classes when compared with what's available in places like Mt. Vernon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just want the know what building norm if any was used for my school. Is that too much to ask for?

Ask, if they won’t tell you, submit a foia request.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, does it matter? Was anyone on this board not going to submit a parent referral? My oldest kid wasn’t in pool and got in first round, my middle kid was in pool but we needed to appeal for him to get in. So for my family this pool business is not meaningful.

This board is a fraction of the number of parents of kids who are in AAP. Anyone on this board? What sort of a measure is that?

The people who are most affected, those whose kids have CogATs above 132 and were not in pool, will apply for their child if they care about AAP. The ones who do not apply are probably comfortable with the education their kid is going to get in the Gen Ed classroom.

If they were raising the in-pool score at scores that have been underrepresented in AAP, you would have a very different situation because the parents at those schools don't know about AAP at all or don't know that they can apply for AAP.

The majority of the kids considered for AAP are done so through parent referrals and not through test scores as it is. This really only increases the number of referrals and it makes the parents of higher SES schools apply.

So yeah, I suspect that the parents most affected by this change in a negative manner are the parents who would know about the program and are in a good place to choose to apply anyway.

I don't know. We're at a "good" center as our base. My neighbors don't speak a word of English. Now it's even harder for their kids to be screened. #equity?

No system is perfect, but I'm pretty sure the number of non-English speaking parents is greater at Title I schools than it is at the "good" centers. If the family at your school is not in-pool and fails to parent-refer, they will at least have the benefit of higher-level Gen Ed classes when compared with what's available in places like Mt. Vernon.

My child is at a title 1 with high ELL numbers and didn't get an in pool email that others mentioned. One of the cogat subsections score was 132. I called the AART with a different question about the parent referral and she told me there is no pool this year and everyone needs to parent refer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just want the know what building norm if any was used for my school. Is that too much to ask for?

Ask, if they won’t tell you, submit a foia request.

We aked our AART and she didn't give us much info. In fact, she didnt answer the question at all. DC scored well above 132 and is not in pool.

[Anonymous]

The change WAS publicized. Not our fault that you were not paying attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The change WAS publicized. Not our fault that you were not paying attention.

How did you hear about it? Please share. How did you hear that some schools would have a screening pool cut-off higher than 132 this year? And when?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, does it matter? Was anyone on this board not going to submit a parent referral? My oldest kid wasn’t in pool and got in first round, my middle kid was in pool but we needed to appeal for him to get in. So for my family this pool business is not meaningful.

This board is a fraction of the number of parents of kids who are in AAP. Anyone on this board? What sort of a measure is that?

The people who are most affected, those whose kids have CogATs above 132 and were not in pool, will apply for their child if they care about AAP. The ones who do not apply are probably comfortable with the education their kid is going to get in the Gen Ed classroom.

If they were raising the in-pool score at scores that have been underrepresented in AAP, you would have a very different situation because the parents at those schools don't know about AAP at all or don't know that they can apply for AAP.

The majority of the kids considered for AAP are done so through parent referrals and not through test scores as it is. This really only increases the number of referrals and it makes the parents of higher SES schools apply.

So yeah, I suspect that the parents most affected by this change in a negative manner are the parents who would know about the program and are in a good place to choose to apply anyway.

I don't know. We're at a "good" center as our base. My neighbors don't speak a word of English. Now it's even harder for their kids to be screened. #equity?

No system is perfect, but I'm pretty sure the number of non-English speaking parents is greater at Title I schools than it is at the "good" centers. If the family at your school is not in-pool and fails to parent-refer, they will at least have the benefit of higher-level Gen Ed classes when compared with what's available in places like Mt. Vernon.

My child is at a title 1 with high ELL numbers and didn't get an in pool email that others mentioned. One of the cogat subsections score was 132. I called the AART with a different question about the parent referral and she told me there is no pool this year and everyone needs to parent refer.

That is explicitly not at all what Brabrand said to the school board in his briefing doc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, does it matter? Was anyone on this board not going to submit a parent referral? My oldest kid wasn’t in pool and got in first round, my middle kid was in pool but we needed to appeal for him to get in. So for my family this pool business is not meaningful.

This board is a fraction of the number of parents of kids who are in AAP. Anyone on this board? What sort of a measure is that?

The people who are most affected, those whose kids have CogATs above 132 and were not in pool, will apply for their child if they care about AAP. The ones who do not apply are probably comfortable with the education their kid is going to get in the Gen Ed classroom.

If they were raising the in-pool score at scores that have been underrepresented in AAP, you would have a very different situation because the parents at those schools don't know about AAP at all or don't know that they can apply for AAP.

The majority of the kids considered for AAP are done so through parent referrals and not through test scores as it is. This really only increases the number of referrals and it makes the parents of higher SES schools apply.

So yeah, I suspect that the parents most affected by this change in a negative manner are the parents who would know about the program and are in a good place to choose to apply anyway.

I don't know. We're at a "good" center as our base. My neighbors don't speak a word of English. Now it's even harder for their kids to be screened. #equity?

No system is perfect, but I'm pretty sure the number of non-English speaking parents is greater at Title I schools than it is at the "good" centers. If the family at your school is not in-pool and fails to parent-refer, they will at least have the benefit of higher-level Gen Ed classes when compared with what's available in places like Mt. Vernon.

My child is at a title 1 with high ELL numbers and didn't get an in pool email that others mentioned. One of the cogat subsections score was 132. I called the AART with a different question about the parent referral and she told me there is no pool this year and everyone needs to parent refer.

I’d double check this. It would seem odd for one school to not have a pool when the others do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

My child is at a title 1 with high ELL numbers and didn't get an in pool email that others mentioned. One of the cogat subsections score was 132. I called the AART with a different question about the parent referral and she told me there is no pool this year and everyone needs to parent refer.

As a parent who got an email notifying me my child was in-pool I can assure you this is blatantly false. And perfectly illustrates the issue. It is not a big problem if they are using only local building norms to determine a screening pool. It is OK if they are using the lower of local or county norms. It is OK if they decide not to have a pool. The problem is they can't seem to clearly communicate with consistent WTF is going on. Simple things - is there a pool, is it local or county, do schools have cogat scores, when/how will parents get them - should all be easy to clearly communicate. And yet...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

My child is at a title 1 with high ELL numbers and didn't get an in pool email that others mentioned. One of the cogat subsections score was 132. I called the AART with a different question about the parent referral and she told me there is no pool this year and everyone needs to parent refer.

As a parent who got an email notifying me my child was in-pool I can assure you this is blatantly false. And perfectly illustrates the issue. It is not a big problem if they are using only local building norms to determine a screening pool. It is OK if they are using the lower of local or county norms. It is OK if they decide not to have a pool. The problem is they can't seem to clearly communicate with consistent WTF is going on. Simple things - is there a pool, is it local or county, do schools have cogat scores, when/how will parents get them - should all be easy to clearly communicate. And yet...

Funnily enough on 12/16 when you can sign up to speak to the board about this they are approving the "Parent and Family Engagement Policy" that is supposed to fix all this...