If the Supreme Court overturns Roe, what does that mean for IVF and embryos?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a state by state issue. In a state where life begins at conception, it could get very interesting.

Does anyone have a link to a good comprehensive list of those states? Especially if there's any commentary on assisted reproduction technology?

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions

Right now Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Utah have laws ban abortion at conception.

I don't know what this site is but that is absolutely not true. Abortion is legal in Oklahoma until 22 weeks, Arkansas 20 weeks, Louisiana 20 weeks etc.

Many states have laws that automatically become abortion bans if Roe is overturned.

Ok but that is an entirely different thing than saying abortion is banned at conception right now.

PP said these states have “laws [that] ban abortion,” not that they currently ban abortion. And those states could in fact have laws on the books that purport to ban abortion, even if those laws aren’t currently in effect due to Roe. I don’t think the Guttmacher Institute or PP are lying or wrong. This is just a misunderstanding.

No WE understand, you don't. They only reason these laws aren't in effect now is Roe prevents it.

First of all, you are responding to two separate posters. Secondly, this is a semantics issues. I don't misunderstand anything, abortion is LEGAL in those states. There is no need to be hyperbolic, stick to the facts.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a state by state issue. In a state where life begins at conception, it could get very interesting.

Does anyone have a link to a good comprehensive list of those states? Especially if there's any commentary on assisted reproduction technology?

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions

Right now Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Utah have laws ban abortion at conception.

I don't know what this site is but that is absolutely not true. Abortion is legal in Oklahoma until 22 weeks, Arkansas 20 weeks, Louisiana 20 weeks etc.

Many states have laws that automatically become abortion bans if Roe is overturned.

Ok but that is an entirely different thing than saying abortion is banned at conception right now.

Omg read the subject line. If they overturn Roe, which seems likely.

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We are taking about what would happen if they overturn RvW.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a state by state issue. In a state where life begins at conception, it could get very interesting.

Does anyone have a link to a good comprehensive list of those states? Especially if there's any commentary on assisted reproduction technology?

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions

Right now Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Utah have laws ban abortion at conception.

I don't know what this site is but that is absolutely not true. Abortion is legal in Oklahoma until 22 weeks, Arkansas 20 weeks, Louisiana 20 weeks etc.

Many states have laws that automatically become abortion bans if Roe is overturned.

Ok but that is an entirely different thing than saying abortion is banned at conception right now.

Omg read the subject line. If they overturn Roe, which seems likely.

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We are taking about what would happen if they overturn RvW.

I'm sorry but saying a state "has a law that bans abortion" implies it is currently banned. That is misinformation.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a state by state issue. In a state where life begins at conception, it could get very interesting.

Does anyone have a link to a good comprehensive list of those states? Especially if there's any commentary on assisted reproduction technology?

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions

Right now Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Utah have laws ban abortion at conception.

I don't know what this site is but that is absolutely not true. Abortion is legal in Oklahoma until 22 weeks, Arkansas 20 weeks, Louisiana 20 weeks etc.

Many states have laws that automatically become abortion bans if Roe is overturned.

Ok but that is an entirely different thing than saying abortion is banned at conception right now.

Omg read the subject line. If they overturn Roe, which seems likely.

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We are taking about what would happen if they overturn RvW.

I'm sorry but saying a state "has a law that bans abortion" implies it is currently banned. That is misinformation.

Sorry you’re having trouble keeping up.

The trigger laws are already on the books. They just don’t become effective until RvW is overturned.

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Anonymous wrote:Who the heck knows right now? I’m glad that mine are all used up though. Banning IVF will definitely create political backlash, especially given the falling rate and sympathetic people who want children.

Given the damage forever chemicals do to us, it’s likely IVF will become more and more necessary.

They're not going to ban IVF. They don't care about embryos. They care about embryos inside a uterus. Mississippi may have one abortion clinic, but plenty of reproductive endocrinologist's office.

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Anonymous wrote:Who the heck knows right now? I’m glad that mine are all used up though. Banning IVF will definitely create political backlash, especially given the falling rate and sympathetic people who want children.

Given the damage forever chemicals do to us, it’s likely IVF will become more and more necessary.

They're not going to ban IVF. They don't care about embryos. They care about embryos inside a uterus. Mississippi may have one abortion clinic, but plenty of reproductive endocrinologist's office.

Right now, at least. Soon? Who knows.

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Anonymous wrote:Who the heck knows right now? I’m glad that mine are all used up though. Banning IVF will definitely create political backlash, especially given the falling rate and sympathetic people who want children.

Given the damage forever chemicals do to us, it’s likely IVF will become more and more necessary.

They're not going to ban IVF. They don't care about embryos. They care about embryos inside a uterus. Mississippi may have one abortion clinic, but plenty of reproductive endocrinologist's office.

Catholics actually care about embryos very much. I’m not sure what the evangelical belief is but i would not be surprised if this becomes a new battle.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a state by state issue. In a state where life begins at conception, it could get very interesting.

Does anyone have a link to a good comprehensive list of those states? Especially if there's any commentary on assisted reproduction technology?

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/state-policies-later-abortions

Right now Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Utah have laws ban abortion at conception.

I don't know what this site is but that is absolutely not true. Abortion is legal in Oklahoma until 22 weeks, Arkansas 20 weeks, Louisiana 20 weeks etc.

Many states have laws that automatically become abortion bans if Roe is overturned.

Ok but that is an entirely different thing than saying abortion is banned at conception right now.

Omg read the subject line. If they overturn Roe, which seems likely.

+1

We are taking about what would happen if they overturn RvW.

I'm sorry but saying a state "has a law that bans abortion" implies it is currently banned. That is misinformation.

Sorry you’re having trouble keeping up.

The trigger laws are already on the books. They just don’t become effective until RvW is overturned.

I'm the original PP who asked if there was a list, and I definitely meant a list of states with trigger laws!

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Anonymous wrote:Who the heck knows right now? I’m glad that mine are all used up though. Banning IVF will definitely create political backlash, especially given the falling rate and sympathetic people who want children.

Given the damage forever chemicals do to us, it’s likely IVF will become more and more necessary.

They're not going to ban IVF. They don't care about embryos. They care about embryos inside a uterus. Mississippi may have one abortion clinic, but plenty of reproductive endocrinologist's office.

Some Catholics actually care about embryos very much. I’m not sure what the evangelical belief is but i would not be surprised if this becomes a new battle.

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Anonymous wrote:Who the heck knows right now? I’m glad that mine are all used up though. Banning IVF will definitely create political backlash, especially given the falling rate and sympathetic people who want children.

Given the damage forever chemicals do to us, it’s likely IVF will become more and more necessary.

They're not going to ban IVF. They don't care about embryos. They care about embryos inside a uterus. Mississippi may have one abortion clinic, but plenty of reproductive endocrinologist's office.

Catholics actually care about embryos very much. I’m not sure what the evangelical belief is but i would not be surprised if this becomes a new battle.

I hope it does, actually. Because that would actually change a lot of people's minds.

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Can’t wait. Have a trumper ex classmate who railed about late term abortions while getting her own kids by ivf. Can’t wait for them to slap her in the face by denying her more ivf.

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Anonymous wrote:Who the heck knows right now? I’m glad that mine are all used up though. Banning IVF will definitely create political backlash, especially given the falling rate and sympathetic people who want children.

Given the damage forever chemicals do to us, it’s likely IVF will become more and more necessary.

They're not going to ban IVF. They don't care about embryos. They care about embryos inside a uterus. Mississippi may have one abortion clinic, but plenty of reproductive endocrinologist's office.

Catholics actually care about embryos very much. I’m not sure what the evangelical belief is but i would not be surprised if this becomes a new battle.

I hope it does, actually. Because that would actually change a lot of people's minds.

It won't, though. IVF is generally for people with some level of privilege and money, and it's not sexual, so doesn't carry the same connotations of shame among the RWNJs. Abortion bans are mostly meant to punish poor women in rural areas for being "slutty". That's the whole point, to shame and punish women for having sex. Without the slut-shaming, no one cares. And Republican politicians aren't interested in going after people with privilege and money.

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Anonymous wrote:Who the heck knows right now? I’m glad that mine are all used up though. Banning IVF will definitely create political backlash, especially given the falling rate and sympathetic people who want children.

Given the damage forever chemicals do to us, it’s likely IVF will become more and more necessary.

They're not going to ban IVF. They don't care about embryos. They care about embryos inside a uterus. Mississippi may have one abortion clinic, but plenty of reproductive endocrinologist's office.

They probably won't ban IVF, but theoretically they could ban destruction of embryos or even PGS. Anyways, this would become a state issue. Ontario bans disclosing sex of embryo via PGS. There are several thousand missing girls in Ontario presumably due to sex selective abortions.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if red states will ban the transfer of embryos to blue states?

Would probably violate the dormant commerce clause, although I know some of the conservatives on the court are looking to do away with the DCC, too.

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They probably won't ban IVF, but theoretically they could ban destruction of embryos or even PGS. Anyways, this would become a state issue. Ontario bans disclosing sex of embryo via PGS. There are several thousand missing girls in Ontario presumably due to sex selective abortions.” There’s a lot of money to be made from ART, which means that there’s money to pay lobbyists/line politicians’ pockets. The abortion issue has morphed into a huge political red herring. It’s easier to blame women for being “slutty,” then to consider why they don’t want to have children in a society with no paid parental leave or a meaningful social safety net...I say this as a pro-life libertarian (yes, we do exist) in that I’m anti-abortion, but also firmly against any kind of government intervention/legislation in that area. An institution that consistently (and spectacularly) fails in balancing its own budget has no business trying to legislate its citizens’ reproductive choices.