Magnet/IB MCPS public schools and admission into top colleges

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a female, her chances are high at a good univ. for CS, except caltech. They don't do holistic admissions.

I know a kid who got 1580, straight A student in magnet, 5s on APs, but a male, so, this kid won't have an easy time of getting into top rated CS programs.

When you say Caltech does not do holistic admissions, what does Caltech look at?

Caltech has fewer than 1000 undergrads. It is tiny. It is half the size of many local high schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP I compared the destinations for Walt Whitman (our home school) and RMIB when my kid was thinking of applying for that program. Their results were pretty comparable in terms of results and college acceptances.

Remember RMIB is only about 100 kids.

Right. If 4 kids from WW and 4 kids from RMIB were accepted for a certain school, that means that the RMIB kid had a MUCH greater chance of getting in than the WW kid.

Yes, that was the point I was trying to make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a female, her chances are high at a good univ. for CS, except caltech. They don't do holistic admissions.

I know a kid who got 1580, straight A student in magnet, 5s on APs, but a male, so, this kid won't have an easy time of getting into top rated CS programs.

A kid with those excellent stats will get into a good program, come on. Just because no one has a slam dunk to get in everywhere doesn’t mean you can’t get in anywhere.

? who said that type of kid can't get in anywhere? I'm referring to top univ for CS, like Stanford, MIT. Excellent stats alone wouldn't get you in to such schools.

It’s the place to start. There’s nothing to indicate the above example of a male student with perfect stats and in a rigorous program has nothing else to recommend him so he won’t be getting into a top school.

It’s ridiculous to suggest boys with such stats aren’t getting into CS programs at top universities. Have you checked the demographics of these schools? Caltech is 54% male. So obviously plenty of male applicants are getting in, and I would wager that many of them came feom rigorous programs with straight As, 1580 SAT, and 5’s on AP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a female, her chances are high at a good univ. for CS, except caltech. They don't do holistic admissions.

I know a kid who got 1580, straight A student in magnet, 5s on APs, but a male, so, this kid won't have an easy time of getting into top rated CS programs.

A kid with those excellent stats will get into a good program, come on. Just because no one has a slam dunk to get in everywhere doesn’t mean you can’t get in anywhere.

? who said that type of kid can't get in anywhere? I'm referring to top univ for CS, like Stanford, MIT. Excellent stats alone wouldn't get you in to such schools.

It’s the place to start. There’s nothing to indicate the above example of a male student with perfect stats and in a rigorous program has nothing else to recommend him so he won’t be getting into a top school.

It’s ridiculous to suggest boys with such stats aren’t getting into CS programs at top universities. Have you checked the demographics of these schools? Caltech is 54% male. So obviously plenty of male applicants are getting in, and I would wager that many of them came feom rigorous programs with straight As, 1580 SAT, and 5’s on AP.

No one is saying boys are not getting in. I think PPs are talking about the chance of getting in - slim at best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a female, her chances are high at a good univ. for CS, except caltech. They don't do holistic admissions.

I know a kid who got 1580, straight A student in magnet, 5s on APs, but a male, so, this kid won't have an easy time of getting into top rated CS programs.

A kid with those excellent stats will get into a good program, come on. Just because no one has a slam dunk to get in everywhere doesn’t mean you can’t get in anywhere.

? who said that type of kid can't get in anywhere? I'm referring to top univ for CS, like Stanford, MIT. Excellent stats alone wouldn't get you in to such schools.

It’s the place to start. There’s nothing to indicate the above example of a male student with perfect stats and in a rigorous program has nothing else to recommend him so he won’t be getting into a top school.

It’s ridiculous to suggest boys with such stats aren’t getting into CS programs at top universities. Have you checked the demographics of these schools? Caltech is 54% male. So obviously plenty of male applicants are getting in, and I would wager that many of them came feom rigorous programs with straight As, 1580 SAT, and 5’s on AP.

No one is saying boys are not getting in. I think PPs are talking about the chance of getting in - slim at best.

For everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a female, her chances are high at a good univ. for CS, except caltech. They don't do holistic admissions.

I know a kid who got 1580, straight A student in magnet, 5s on APs, but a male, so, this kid won't have an easy time of getting into top rated CS programs.

A kid with those excellent stats will get into a good program, come on. Just because no one has a slam dunk to get in everywhere doesn’t mean you can’t get in anywhere.

? who said that type of kid can't get in anywhere? I'm referring to top univ for CS, like Stanford, MIT. Excellent stats alone wouldn't get you in to such schools.

It’s the place to start. There’s nothing to indicate the above example of a male student with perfect stats and in a rigorous program has nothing else to recommend him so he won’t be getting into a top school.

It’s ridiculous to suggest boys with such stats aren’t getting into CS programs at top universities. Have you checked the demographics of these schools? Caltech is 54% male. So obviously plenty of male applicants are getting in, and I would wager that many of them came feom rigorous programs with straight As, 1580 SAT, and 5’s on AP.

No one is saying boys are not getting in. I think PPs are talking about the chance of getting in - slim at best.

For everyone.

Thank you Einstein.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Her chances are good if she really researches opportunities. My friend’s (white) DD, similar stats w/lots of APs, from a magnet in IL got scholarship $$$ at CMU this past spring, applied RD. Best program out there, imo.

CMU is a highly competitive program to get into. What are the chances for magnet program girls getting into CMU/ Caltech/ MIT and such top places? Stats similar to OP who started the thread.

[Anonymous]

I would say that it is harder to stand out at a magnet program. I don’t think it gives you an advantage quite honestly. Lots of great reasons to attend a magnet program but college admissions isn’t one of them.

What seems to matter for elite institutions is having some kind of hook - high level athletics, music or national awards in science or CS competitions etc.
you can look at prior years magnet destinations to see how many kids end up at mit or cal tech or CMU. It is highly variable from year to year and it is not clear to me that magnet programs have an edge over a regular high school with a good science program

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her chances are good if she really researches opportunities. My friend’s (white) DD, similar stats w/lots of APs, from a magnet in IL got scholarship $$$ at CMU this past spring, applied RD. Best program out there, imo.

CMU is a highly competitive program to get into. What are the chances for magnet program girls getting into CMU/ Caltech/ MIT and such top places? Stats similar to OP who started the thread.

33.49837%

OMG, people, go read up on holistic admissions. It’s slim for all of these schools. It also depends on what they need to “create their class” which depends on who else is applying.

But if you need a number, use the one above. It’s as good as any for this situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Typical DCUM parents showing off their kids' stats and asking if they're good enough for top schools

Typical DCUM parent judging another anonymous parent’s motive because of her own insecurities……

[Anonymous]

6.7% chance. Everyone who applies has a chance and believes they are qualified: 93.3 percent of them do not get a spot in the class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:6.7% chance. Everyone who applies has a chance and believes they are qualified: 93.3 percent of them do not get a spot in the class.

Not as simple as that. Look at the data from your school and find out how many students applied to you specific college every year for the past few years and how many got in. That will give you the most accurate estimate of the chance your DC has to any college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would say that it is harder to stand out at a magnet program. I don’t think it gives you an advantage quite honestly. Lots of great reasons to attend a magnet program but college admissions isn’t one of them.

What seems to matter for elite institutions is having some kind of hook - high level athletics, music or national awards in science or CS competitions etc.
you can look at prior years magnet destinations to see how many kids end up at mit or cal tech or CMU. It is highly variable from year to year and it is not clear to me that magnet programs have an edge over a regular high school with a good science program

I disagree. My kid went to Blair, and that magnet is relatively small (100 per class), and it offers unique classes and a means to stand out through the variety of rigorous courses. So, instead of the typical array of APs, kids may have Complex Analysis, AI, and/or Thermodynamics mixed in. The transcript also comes with a program description, and the program is recognized by top schools because of its national prominence. It is also intense, and the level of organization and investment kids make in the program may also show in the way they approach college apps. The same is probably true of IB kids.

I do think this could be an issue with large program like TJ, and may be true in high frequency majors like CS or Bio when it comes to Blair. But, overall, I'd say a magnet is a really good thing for college prep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would say that it is harder to stand out at a magnet program. I don’t think it gives you an advantage quite honestly. Lots of great reasons to attend a magnet program but college admissions isn’t one of them.

What seems to matter for elite institutions is having some kind of hook - high level athletics, music or national awards in science or CS competitions etc.
you can look at prior years magnet destinations to see how many kids end up at mit or cal tech or CMU. It is highly variable from year to year and it is not clear to me that magnet programs have an edge over a regular high school with a good science program

I disagree. My kid went to Blair, and that magnet is relatively small (100 per class), and it offers unique classes and a means to stand out through the variety of rigorous courses. So, instead of the typical array of APs, kids may have Complex Analysis, AI, and/or Thermodynamics mixed in. The transcript also comes with a program description, and the program is recognized by top schools because of its national prominence. It is also intense, and the level of organization and investment kids make in the program may also show in the way they approach college apps. The same is probably true of IB kids.

I do think this could be an issue with large program like TJ, and may be true in high frequency majors like CS or Bio when it comes to Blair. But, overall, I'd say a magnet is a really good thing for college prep.

Thank you for this advice. My DD will be trying for magnet or IB program for next year. She is a good student. Assuming she gets into the magnet program (her first choice), will she have a harder time standing out amongst the 100 kids who are all very bright and talented. Will she have better college admissions in her home school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would say that it is harder to stand out at a magnet program. I don’t think it gives you an advantage quite honestly. Lots of great reasons to attend a magnet program but college admissions isn’t one of them.

What seems to matter for elite institutions is having some kind of hook - high level athletics, music or national awards in science or CS competitions etc.
you can look at prior years magnet destinations to see how many kids end up at mit or cal tech or CMU. It is highly variable from year to year and it is not clear to me that magnet programs have an edge over a regular high school with a good science program

Where can I find prior years college destinations from the magnet programs? Is it in a separate thread on this forum?