University Of California Reaches Final Decision: No More Standardized Admission Testing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this will hurt kids who are late bloomers.

good

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Test optional just means Asians and whites must submit. Blacks and crypto-Latins don’t.

I mean at this point I would rather just have transparent quotas. That system was less insulting.

UC isn't going test optional. They're not allowing tests to be considered at all. Learn to read, idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The fewer objective measurements, the more opaque cherry-picking they can do.

And in the near future, you'll wonder why they have way fewer Asian students graduates...

Yep this. Solves all the equity stuff that is the focus these days.

[Anonymous]

I think it's fantastic. Study after study after study has confirmed the high correlation between family income and parental education and SAT and ACT scores. Generally speaking, high scores were born on third base. It doesn't make them any smarter.

[Anonymous]

I could see this making a student's choice of major even more important. Instead of schools, employers might seek out certain rigorous majors. DC is a senior interviewing now for jobs and some high paying jobs are asking for math beyond calculus, and some are requiring skills tests to get an interview.

[Anonymous]

How will they distinguish among white or Asian kids who all have the same grades?

I get how this allows them to pick minorities. But there will be spots who go to white/Asian kids. And a very large percentage of these kids will have almost identical grades--I know my kid and all of his friends have the same grades
Retake and lax grading makes it almost impossible to not do well in many publics (DCPS for sure).
I get that extracurriculars are one thing--but again, most kids will have a very, very similar version of these as well. And it's not Harvard--we're not looking for kids to split to atom to get into UCSD or even UCLA.

[Anonymous]

This will just force all the schools that have held out on grade inflation to jump on the grade inflation bandwagon. They have to to survive now. No more pointing to the SAT scores to balance the equation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's fantastic. Study after study after study has confirmed the high correlation between family income and parental education and SAT and ACT scores. Generally speaking, high scores were born on third base. It doesn't make them any smarter.

Come on, people with 1500+ scores are objectively smarter than people with 1100.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's fantastic. Study after study after study has confirmed the high correlation between family income and parental education and SAT and ACT scores. Generally speaking, high scores were born on third base. It doesn't make them any smarter.

This will hurt immigrant and low-SES kids who have the smarts to do well on the SAT.

- Ivy League grad immigrant kid who’s parents didn’t go past grade school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I could see this making a student's choice of major even more important. Instead of schools, employers might seek out certain rigorous majors. DC is a senior interviewing now for jobs and some high paying jobs are asking for math beyond calculus, and some are requiring skills tests to get an interview.

My senior has just finished interviewing and accepted a job offer. Most places were giving an online assessment prior to granting any interviews, and the online assessments were an IQ test like stuff, way harder than SAT/ACT, plus some timed writing. Some graduates might be for a rude awakening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The fewer objective measurements, the more opaque cherry-picking they can do.

And in the near future, you'll wonder why they have way fewer Asian students graduates...

It’s not objective. You can game the test, pay for test tutoring and increase scores. The only proven correlation between SATs and ACTs is income.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will just force all the schools that have held out on grade inflation to jump on the grade inflation bandwagon. They have to to survive now. No more pointing to the SAT scores to balance the equation.

Many schools have already inflated to the point where everyone who does the work at all is AT the ceiling--regardless if they understand the material or not. Or if they're handing in exceptional work, decent work or mediocre work. I'm not sure how this works for college admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How will they distinguish among white or Asian kids who all have the same grades?

I get how this allows them to pick minorities. But there will be spots who go to white/Asian kids. And a very large percentage of these kids will have almost identical grades--I know my kid and all of his friends have the same grades
Retake and lax grading makes it almost impossible to not do well in many publics (DCPS for sure).
I get that extracurriculars are one thing--but again, most kids will have a very, very similar version of these as well. And it's not Harvard--we're not looking for kids to split to atom to get into UCSD or even UCLA.

Same as how they do it now. Most kids who have similar grades from similar HS also have very similar standardized test scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this will hurt kids who are late bloomers.

good

Why do you want kids to be hurt?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The fewer objective measurements, the more opaque cherry-picking they can do.

And in the near future, you'll wonder why they have way fewer Asian students graduates...

It’s not objective. You can game the test, pay for test tutoring and increase scores. The only proven correlation between SATs and ACTs is income.

You are overstating this trope by a lot.