APS Most Likely Moving to Standards-Based Grading/Grading for Equity Next School Year

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:APS and the School Board last night had their first working session to discuss setting a new grading policy by the end of this school year, with changes driven by equity concerns (based off of the book "Grading for Equity" by Joe Feldman, which 100+ at APS are reading right now and every SB member received a copy of last night).

Some proposals include:
a) Eliminating late penalties for turning in homework late
b) Allowing retakes of tests
c) Eliminating extra credit
d) Having more ungraded formative assessments (and presumably less graded homework, classwork and labs)

Here are the board slides:
https://rb.gy/cl2icr

And the working session video:
https://www.apsva.us/school-board-meetings/school-board-work-sessions-meetings/

Thoughts? Anyone know about empirical results? Downsides?


This is an absolute disaster for college- or work-preparedness. There are consequences for late work. There aren't re-dos for everything. You don't always get opportunities to make up for lost or incomplete work or missed deadlines.

It's also bad for academic learning, particularly in subjects that you need to know certain material before learning the next level of material, like math. If you aren't doing your homework during the unit, you're missing out on reinforcement of the learning and the opportunity for your teacher to know you're not getting the concepts before the exam. It's such a waste of time to allow late homework and retaking the tests. that's just student self-paced learning with unnecessary premature test-taking and re-taking tests later when you're finally ready to do well.

Also, students - especially younger ones - need specifics, not vague abstract grading criteria. Right now, they know 90 is an A and 65 is a D. With SBG, they don't know what to expect and it will take a good bit of time to figure it out and adjust. They'll also likely need to figure it out and adjust with just about every new teacher they have each year.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's insane that a kid can earn an A and then another kid that never turns in homework on-time, repeatedly gets a bad grade and gets to turn that assignment or correct that test OVER AND OVER again will end up with the same GPA. WTF?

I am so glad I pulled both my kids from APS after middle school. One 8th grader left.

Our private HS teaches consequences and instills work habits that they will need in college and for life. It sucks, but that's life. Getting downgraded and having it effect your course grade, is a consequence of not doing the work. And, if the course is too challenging you need to drop down or get help after school.


Wholeheartedly agree. What's the incentive to work hard and do your best if you end up with the same "reward" as those who didn't bother for a while and decided to catch-up? Or what's to distinguish you from the student who needed more help to get to the same point? Employers need to know a potential employee's work habits and work productivity abilities.
Anonymous
WHAT IS WRONG WITH APS?! If I could do it all over again I would never have moved to this school district. I don't care about the all the fake controversies about CRT, trans issues, but this is ridiculous. Who is calling them out on this?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:WHAT IS WRONG WITH APS?! If I could do it all over again I would never have moved to this school district. I don't care about the all the fake controversies about CRT, trans issues, but this is ridiculous. Who is calling them out on this?


+1. This is ridiculous.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:WHAT IS WRONG WITH APS?! If I could do it all over again I would never have moved to this school district. I don't care about the all the fake controversies about CRT, trans issues, but this is ridiculous. Who is calling them out on this?


+1. This is ridiculous.


Totally expected, though. The goal here is equal outcomes, no matter what.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What exactly are the equity concerns with grades?


Everyone is not getting a trophy like on the sports field.

Arlington now wants to apply 'everyone gets a trophy' to academics as well.


APS was already sub-par compared to FCCPS and the top schools in FCPS and now they want to race harder to the bottom?


FCPS has been doing this for years.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:WHAT IS WRONG WITH APS?! If I could do it all over again I would never have moved to this school district. I don't care about the all the fake controversies about CRT, trans issues, but this is ridiculous. Who is calling them out on this?


+1. This is ridiculous.


+2. This is really concerning and I don’t understand at all how this helps kids (1) actually learn and challenge themselves, or (2) prepare to succeed in workplaces, where there aren’t do-overs and there are penalties for blowing through deadlines. Other than the book, which I haven’t read, is there respected research that supports this? Or does the book talk about research? I’m persuadable that this could be not terrible, but on first glance, it really worries me. And I honestly don’t understand how it helps kids who are struggling. It seems to me it would just further set them up to fail in the real world - where you have consequences for lateness, etc.
Anonymous
All these kids will be living in your basement at 22.
Anonymous
Some of the slides illustrate the inconsistencies in grading policies. An example showed the differences across just one subject in one school--I would be supportive of making those policies more consistent.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Some of the slides illustrate the inconsistencies in grading policies. An example showed the differences across just one subject in one school--I would be supportive of making those policies more consistent.


Consistency is important, agree 100%. Race to the bottom with almost no accountability for students isn't equity, it's abdicating the responsibility to teach them, hold them accountable and prepare them for life.

I don't have the time right now to watch the work session, but anyone who has can you say who is on top of this and who seems to be opposing? Need to know what message to send to what staff and SB member.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some of the slides illustrate the inconsistencies in grading policies. An example showed the differences across just one subject in one school--I would be supportive of making those policies more consistent.


Consistency is important, agree 100%. Race to the bottom with almost no accountability for students isn't equity, it's abdicating the responsibility to teach them, hold them accountable and prepare them for life.

I don't have the time right now to watch the work session, but anyone who has can you say who is on top of this and who seems to be opposing? Need to know what message to send to what staff and SB member.


There's a massive thread on the APE facebook group about this right now.
Anonymous
That doesn't help those who aren't there.
Anonymous
As a teacher in FCPS with kids in APS, I was surprised when my 9th grader started this year and none of his teachers allowed retakes or remediation. This has been standard in my FCPS HS for probably 10 years now. I am not saying it is ideal, but for my child who struggles with test taking and gets anxiety, I would welcome the opportunity for him to remediate his assessments. I also think it's interesting to think about grades in different counties and how they compare. Do colleges know about this differing policy between counties?
Anonymous
Wasn't this proposed years ago?

Was it put on hold because of the pandemic?
Anonymous
I have mixed feelings about this. I struggled with the idea last year that my kid worked his butt off and turned all his assignments in but then teacher were told they weren't allowed to mark kids down for not turning in assignments because of the unique situation. I did not tell my kid this and he still continued to work. I don't know how grades went for everything (he got As and I know some kids got "not enough information to grade") so I guess it eventually impacted them but they didn't get a failing grade.


I don't necessarily see a problem with retakes, there are rarely times in life where you make a mistake you can't fix. I think that teaching kids to talk with someone and attempt to correct a mistake is fine.

As for late penalties. I think there needs to be some cut off. A grace period is fine IMO (that is how real life works anyway). I will also note that my husband just told me a story from growing up in the 80s/90s about turning in late work and not getting penalized for it, so this isn't a new concept.
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