Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Three separate adults, on three separate occasions, thought something was not right and called the police when they saw the 2 kids on their own.

If this had happened just once, I could blow it off as a randomly paranoid person. But three different people? on three different occasions?

It's not a minor thing to call the police/911. It's going out of your way. Why did these three people do that?

Seems to me that for average people out there, it looked like the children were either in a potentially dangerous situation or possibly being neglected.

I for one am glad that we live in a community where strangers care enough about the situation to call the police. You know there are children out there who are neglected, or abused, the signs are there and no one does anything (Relisha Rudd and others). Sounds like the situation on Sunday could have been handled better, but I for one am not faulting the police officer. Somehow the kids are flagged in the system for him to contact CPS. What was he supposed to do, ignore that? Just return the kids to their home, not knowing why they'd been flagged by CPS? What if the kids were truly being neglected? (and maybe they are)

Maybe because the 10 year old is little. Poor kid. Growth hormones would get CPS off their case.

maybe they are vegan, the parents look like death

Let's see a photo or two of you. We will all comment on your appearance.

When I become a media whore you will be welcomed to judge me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I blame the 911 operator and the overly generous police budgets. "Hello, there are two kids walking around my neighborhood." "Why don't you come up to them and ask them if anything is wrong. And if there is, by all means call us back. All our police cars are currently too busy chasing murderers and the like."

Because they could be talking to a "crazy" person.

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Anonymous wrote:the cops can't ignore a call about kids. Imagine if something *did* happen? They'd be in a huge amount of trouble.

But there was nothing in the 911 tape that supported they were in harms way. They asked to pet the guys dog and then walked down the street. How does that make someone call 911. Why not just ask the kids if they are OK?

Because an adult authority assessment is much better than that of a 10 year old who does not have enough sense to go up to strangers and strange dogs.

I am 54 and routinely ask people if I can say hello to and pet their dogs. I love dogs and love to say hello to them.

I don't just walk up to them; I ask first. Which is what this child did. If the person says no, then I just go on my way.

Makes sense to me.

You are 54, not 10. I don't believe in kids just randomly going up to people they do not know, especially if a "safeside" adult is not around.
I have a 10 yr old, I am teaching her about assessing situations and who may or may not be safe. And I sure as hell do not want her going to someone she does not know and asking about their dog, just like I teach her not to go near a stranger's car if they tell her they have a puppy or candy or ice cream.
Geez -- I let my kid have freedom and do things unsupervised, but free range does not mean freedom from common damn sense and an eye out for safety.

My kids are 5 and 7, and they love dogs, since we have one, and they are instructed to always, ALWAYS, ask permission to pet a dog because some dogs just don't like people and will snap or bite. They don't need need my permission to do it. Why can't your 10 year old practice speaking to an adult who has a dog on a leash with them, look them in the eye, and ask to pet their dog???

Of course they can, and my 6yo can too. But she better not be going up to strangers when I'm not there. Duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three separate adults, on three separate occasions, thought something was not right and called the police when they saw the 2 kids on their own.

If this had happened just once, I could blow it off as a randomly paranoid person. But three different people? on three different occasions?

It's not a minor thing to call the police/911. It's going out of your way. Why did these three people do that?

Seems to me that for average people out there, it looked like the children were either in a potentially dangerous situation or possibly being neglected.

I for one am glad that we live in a community where strangers care enough about the situation to call the police. You know there are children out there who are neglected, or abused, the signs are there and no one does anything (Relisha Rudd and others). Sounds like the situation on Sunday could have been handled better, but I for one am not faulting the police officer. Somehow the kids are flagged in the system for him to contact CPS. What was he supposed to do, ignore that? Just return the kids to their home, not knowing why they'd been flagged by CPS? What if the kids were truly being neglected? (and maybe they are)

Maybe because the 10 year old is little. Poor kid. Growth hormones would get CPS off their case.

maybe they are vegan, the parents look like death

The kids said the last food they ate - before they were in the custody of the police and CPS for six hours - was burgers.

[Anonymous]

Maybe soy burgers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:the cops can't ignore a call about kids. Imagine if something *did* happen? They'd be in a huge amount of trouble.

But there was nothing in the 911 tape that supported they were in harms way. They asked to pet the guys dog and then walked down the street. How does that make someone call 911. Why not just ask the kids if they are OK?

Because an adult authority assessment is much better than that of a 10 year old who does not have enough sense to go up to strangers and strange dogs.

I am 54 and routinely ask people if I can say hello to and pet their dogs. I love dogs and love to say hello to them.

I don't just walk up to them; I ask first. Which is what this child did. If the person says no, then I just go on my way.

Makes sense to me.

You are 54, not 10. I don't believe in kids just randomly going up to people they do not know, especially if a "safeside" adult is not around.
I have a 10 yr old, I am teaching her about assessing situations and who may or may not be safe. And I sure as hell do not want her going to someone she does not know and asking about their dog, just like I teach her not to go near a stranger's car if they tell her they have a puppy or candy or ice cream.
Geez -- I let my kid have freedom and do things unsupervised, but free range does not mean freedom from common damn sense and an eye out for safety.

My kids are 5 and 7, and they love dogs, since we have one, and they are instructed to always, ALWAYS, ask permission to pet a dog because some dogs just don't like people and will snap or bite. They don't need need my permission to do it. Why can't your 10 year old practice speaking to an adult who has a dog on a leash with them, look them in the eye, and ask to pet their dog???

Of course they can, and my 6yo can too. But she better not be going up to strangers when I'm not there. Duh.

For real
It's some dumb bunnies who want to teach kids to go up to strangers who have tempting items, dogs,candy, a bike.
My kids look folks in the eye, they just know better than to go up to people they don't know just because they have something they fucking want!!!!
Damn do you people teach your kids anything.
F$$$$$ free range lets not parent at all!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Wow, you are all a bunch of paranoid lunatics. always expecting the worse. Sad life to live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, you are all a bunch of paranoid lunatics. always expecting the worse. Sad life to live.

There is nothing sad about taking calculated risks and assessing safety.
Every freaking cop and safety expert will tell you to teach Your kids not to be tempted by strangers or people they barely know who are camping them with something alluring something that a child would want that's a common well known lore of child predators that's not paranoia that's not thinking every man on the street is a rapist or pedophile, that's just taking some common facts and incorporating them into your safety practice. You can call me paranoid all you want I don't have a problem with that because I'd rather be paranoid and air on the side of caution and for something horrible to happen to my child. Yes my child and my kids are learning that not everyone is safe learning in various situations how to assess behavior that may not be appropriate how to trust their feelings when something feels uncomfortable or creepy how that everybody was a smile or something shiny and fancy doesn't make them a good person doesn't make them safe I'm teaching my child to navigate the real world, Not your overprivileged agenda grandstanding fantasy world that you live in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, you are all a bunch of paranoid lunatics. always expecting the worse. Sad life to live.

Plenty of people would call me a helicopter parent and you might call me a lunatic. I'm ok with that. I'm not always expecting the worst, but am well aware of the worst than can happen. My analysis is that the worst may not be likely but if it does it would be devastating -- life ending or significantly life altering. And for a lot of things, like my kid walking to the park alone or the like is simply not worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, you are all a bunch of paranoid lunatics. always expecting the worse. Sad life to live.

I agree! I mean, I used to drink until I blacked out at frat parties and I never was assaulted, so I don't understand all the nervous nellies.

Geez, people. This line of thinking is crazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you are all a bunch of paranoid lunatics. always expecting the worse. Sad life to live.

There is nothing sad about taking calculated risks and assessing safety.
Every freaking cop and safety expert will tell you to teach Your kids not to be tempted by strangers or people they barely know who are camping them with something alluring something that a child would want that's a common well known lore of child predators that's not paranoia that's not thinking every man on the street is a rapist or pedophile, that's just taking some common facts and incorporating them into your safety practice. You can call me paranoid all you want I don't have a problem with that because I'd rather be paranoid and air on the side of caution and for something horrible to happen to my child. Yes my child and my kids are learning that not everyone is safe learning in various situations how to assess behavior that may not be appropriate how to trust their feelings when something feels uncomfortable or creepy how that everybody was a smile or something shiny and fancy doesn't make them a good person doesn't make them safe I'm teaching my child to navigate the real world, Not your overprivileged agenda grandstanding fantasy world that you live in.

Everyone knows that child predators often use animals to lure children. Hell, this was something my own parents warned me about back in the 70s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you are all a bunch of paranoid lunatics. always expecting the worse. Sad life to live.

Plenty of people would call me a helicopter parent and you might call me a lunatic. I'm ok with that. I'm not always expecting the worst, but am well aware of the worst than can happen. My analysis is that the worst may not be likely but if it does it would be devastating -- life ending or significantly life altering. And for a lot of things, like my kid walking to the park alone or the like is simply not worth it.

Please show me the data you use in your risk analysis. Do you run profiles on your relatives and close friends too? If not, you should. They are more likely to harm your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, you are all a bunch of paranoid lunatics. always expecting the worse. Sad life to live.

Plenty of people would call me a helicopter parent and you might call me a lunatic. I'm ok with that. I'm not always expecting the worst, but am well aware of the worst than can happen. My analysis is that the worst may not be likely but if it does it would be devastating -- life ending or significantly life altering. And for a lot of things, like my kid walking to the park alone or the like is simply not worth it.

Please show me the data you use in your risk analysis. Do you run profiles on your relatives and close friends too? If not, you should. They are more likely to harm your kids.

While you're at it ... don't forget to get an independent assessment of your wife/husband/so. They are also very likely to perpetrate something on your child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you are all a bunch of paranoid lunatics. always expecting the worse. Sad life to live.

Plenty of people would call me a helicopter parent and you might call me a lunatic. I'm ok with that. I'm not always expecting the worst, but am well aware of the worst than can happen. My analysis is that the worst may not be likely but if it does it would be devastating -- life ending or significantly life altering. And for a lot of things, like my kid walking to the park alone or the like is simply not worth it.

Please show me the data you use in your risk analysis. Do you run profiles on your relatives and close friends too? If not, you should. They are more likely to harm your kids.

No Shit Sherlock, that's why I teach my kids to tell if anyone does something inappropriate or makes them feel uncomfortable, ANYONE, if that someone was me. And yes, I say exactly that, "you tell if ANYONE HURTS YOU, even if It was mommy, YOU TELL"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, you are all a bunch of paranoid lunatics. always expecting the worse. Sad life to live.

Plenty of people would call me a helicopter parent and you might call me a lunatic. I'm ok with that. I'm not always expecting the worst, but am well aware of the worst than can happen. My analysis is that the worst may not be likely but if it does it would be devastating -- life ending or significantly life altering. And for a lot of things, like my kid walking to the park alone or the like is simply not worth it.

Please show me the data you use in your risk analysis. Do you run profiles on your relatives and close friends too? If not, you should. They are more likely to harm your kids.

Why does it matter to YOU? Why is it so important to you that everyone make the same decisions you do? In our family, we have decided that taking our kid to the park is better than sending him alone. In many ways. I didn't need data to come to that conclusion.