In the pool - think she will make it?

[Anonymous]

Got our in the pool letter Saturday for our 2nd grader. NNAT is 126. Cogat was 95% overall. Had her IQ independently tested for an unrelated reason (possible ADHD tests) and it came out to 136.

Do you think this kid makes it into GT?

[Anonymous]

I have no real experience but I thought I would respond with what I have read here in that 37 page thread a couple threads down.

It looks pretty darned good for her. Please present a strong parent questionnaire. I've read that a great GBRS can make a stronger case even stronger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no real experience but I thought I would respond with what I have read here in that 37 page thread a couple threads down.

It looks pretty darned good for her. Please present a strong parent questionnaire. I've read that a great GBRS can make a stronger case even stronger.

Thank you for replying. I am worried because, due to the attentional problems, I get the feeling her teacher doesn't like her/doesn't think too highly of her. I worry the GBRS may actually be a negative. Anyone have advice on how to get around this? Request a different evaluator? Maybe last year's teacher?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Got our in the pool letter Saturday for our 2nd grader. NNAT is 126. Cogat was 95% overall. Had her IQ independently tested for an unrelated reason (possible ADHD tests) and it came out to 136.

Do you think this kid makes it into GT?

Definitely submit the optional parent questionnaire with supplementary material. Some folks like to submit the WISC scores with the parent questionnaire and others prefer to hold that back for possible appeal. Your call on that one.

[Anonymous]

It looks pretty darned good for her. Please present a strong parent questionnaire. I've read that a great GBRS can make a stronger case even stronger.

Why "pretty darned good?" I would say you haven't given us enough information.

The NNAT score of 126 is not in the pool, and a 95th percentile composite on the CogAT generally is not either, so I assume one subtest on the CogAT was high enough to meet the benchmark? About 60-70% of the pool is admitted. This child tested into the pool but the test scores are not stellar (unless there is a very high score on a subtext & OP didn't mention it)- there are certainly kids with those scores who do not get in.

I think the GBRS is crucial in this case. I would try to work with the school on making sure it's a high number. I have never heard of requesting that someone else do the GBRS & I'm not sure the school would go along with that. I would also put together a solid parent questionnaire and submit the private test scores. You say "IQ" testing - was it the WISC-IV, Stanford-Binet, or something else?

[Anonymous]

IQ test was "K-bit". Psychologist said to do WISC if we need to later. Psychologist said she definitely needs GT, but obviously, this is a person I am paying

Just looked at the COGAT again - composite is also 126 (same as NNAT).

Cagat verbal was over 98%.

I also am thinking she is on the cusp. Not a clear cut AAP student. That's why I was wondering what you all thought.

[Anonymous]

GBRS is crucial, esp w/ possible ADHD in the picture. DS had great scores and didn't make it, because of his inattentiveness--at least that's what I have always believed.

[Anonymous]

The KBIT-2 (Kaufman Brief Intelligence Test-2nd Edition) is a screening measure with two subtests--verbal and nonverbal. Although it is a good indicator of cognitive skills, scores may be higher (especially for the nonverbal portion) than those of a WISC-IV and other comprehensive intelligence tests.

[Anonymous]

I am not sure that FCPS will even accept the KBIT. The Kaufman Assessment Battery is on the list of acceptable tests; is that the same as the KBIT?
I think most parents have the WISC administered when they submit private test scores so they can submit a full-scale IQ. It sounds like KBIT is another screening test, not an IQ test.

[Anonymous]

The Kaufman Assessment Battery for Children (KABC) is considered comprehensive, unlike the KBIT-2. There are varying opinions on which cognitive measure--the WISC-IV, Stanford-Binet, DAS-II, and/or KABC--would be acceptable for entry into gifted programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not sure that FCPS will even accept the KBIT. The Kaufman Assessment Battery is on the list of acceptable tests; is that the same as the KBIT?
I think most parents have the WISC administered when they submit private test scores so they can submit a full-scale IQ. It sounds like KBIT is another screening test, not an IQ test.

http://www.fcps.edu/DIS/gt/faqs.html

What ability tests are accepted for screening for Advanced Academic Programs?
List of Approved Ability Tests

* Cognitive Abilities Test (CogAT) Form 5
* Naglieri Nonverbal Ability Test (NNAT)
* Cognitive Assessment System (CAS)
* Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC IV)
* Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scale, Riverside
* Differential Ability Scales (DAS)
* Otis-Lennon School Ability Test (OSLAT) 7th Edition

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GBRS is crucial, esp w/ possible ADHD in the picture. DS had great scores and didn't make it, because of his inattentiveness--at least that's what I have always believed.

i'm sincerely curious what led you to believe that. i've seen posts suggest otherwise, in that they accept/accommodate LD quite well...

[Anonymous]

Not that poster, but I think that what they mean is that kids with that profile may tend to have a lower GBRS. Maybe because the teacher perceives them as not that bright, tuning out, not as engaged, etc.

[Anonymous]

7:14, if you download the Parent Information Packet for children currently attending FCPS, the Kaufman Assessment Battery IS on the list of acceptable individually-administered tests (see p. 6). Not sure why this is not consistent with the info on page you linked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not that poster, but I think that what they mean is that kids with that profile may tend to have a lower GBRS. Maybe because the teacher perceives them as not that bright, tuning out, not as engaged, etc.

I'm the poster to which this poster refers, and yes, that's correct. Inattentive ADD looks like the kid would rather be elsewhere and it totally not engaged. So his GBRS was probably not so hot.