ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to hold back their kids for soccer to the point that it would be an issue. Most elite players play up and do not need or want to play down an age group.

GY to me makes sense because it simplifies teams and keeps kid in the same group as their grade. Also if a kid was held back they should be allowed to play sports while they are in high school.

There are plenty of shenanigans with players being held back in basketball... So its not like it can't happen, there are plenty of examples out there.

What do you mean by plenty? 1 kid per team, 2 kids per team, 1 kid per 5 teams? That would still be between 1-10% of players? The majority will not hold back kids for sports especially on the girls side. I would be willing to bet the girls side has more kids who started early than started late.

If there are so few then a strict SY cutoff should be fine then. Sounds good to me.

You could make the argument both ways. One just aligns all kids with their school grade. If players are great they do not fear competition if there are some holdbacks let the kids get their boots on and compete.

This sounds like the same thing BY people are saying why they don’t want SY kids. Let the sept/dec kids put their boots on and compete.
Just still with strict date like it has always been!

To prove your pint, a family friend has a kid that is a five star football player, probably top 2-3 QB in the 2026 recruiting class. He was held back a year so that he could be this super star. The year he was held back, he wasn’t even top 200.

So many stories like that. Especially boys sports where a year can make such a huge difference.

The problem with holdbacks is once one parent does it with their kid and is successful because of it others will do the same. Also the of age players get their opportunity taken away from them by an older kid who's playing down.

As an example take the GY person that keeps posting an unsubstantiated lie about ECNL moving to GY for olders showcases. How would you feel about it after spending 2-3k to attend some showcase. If a kid a year older started over you kid in front of scouts? See how stupid this is?

They are supposedly going to have rules in place to prevent blatant GY cheating. I don't know what those are, how effective they will be, etc. but it won't be the wild west like AAU bball. Supposedly. I'm not in favor of it (I favor a strict birth range), but without it there will be many examples of seniors without the ability to play club (and really hurts with any chance to get recruited by D2/3). Nothing official has been announced and maybe some details change. But there will be some GY flexibility at the upper age groups in some capacity. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to hold back their kids for soccer to the point that it would be an issue. Most elite players play up and do not need or want to play down an age group.

GY to me makes sense because it simplifies teams and keeps kid in the same group as their grade. Also if a kid was held back they should be allowed to play sports while they are in high school.

There are plenty of shenanigans with players being held back in basketball... So its not like it can't happen, there are plenty of examples out there.

What do you mean by plenty? 1 kid per team, 2 kids per team, 1 kid per 5 teams? That would still be between 1-10% of players? The majority will not hold back kids for sports especially on the girls side. I would be willing to bet the girls side has more kids who started early than started late.

If there are so few then a strict SY cutoff should be fine then. Sounds good to me.

You could make the argument both ways. One just aligns all kids with their school grade. If players are great they do not fear competition if there are some holdbacks let the kids get their boots on and compete.

This sounds like the same thing BY people are saying why they don’t want SY kids. Let the sept/dec kids put their boots on and compete.
Just still with strict date like it has always been!

To prove your pint, a family friend has a kid that is a five star football player, probably top 2-3 QB in the 2026 recruiting class. He was held back a year so that he could be this super star. The year he was held back, he wasn’t even top 200.

So many stories like that. Especially boys sports where a year can make such a huge difference.

The problem with holdbacks is once one parent does it with their kid and is successful because of it others will do the same. Also the of age players get their opportunity taken away from them by an older kid who's playing down.

As an example take the GY person that keeps posting an unsubstantiated lie about ECNL moving to GY for olders showcases. How would you feel about it after spending 2-3k to attend some showcase. If a kid a year older started over you kid in front of scouts? See how stupid this is?

They are supposedly going to have rules in place to prevent blatant GY cheating. I don't know what those are, how effective they will be, etc. but it won't be the wild west like AAU bball. Supposedly. I'm not in favor of it (I favor a strict birth range), but without it there will be many examples of seniors without the ability to play club (and really hurts with any chance to get recruited by D2/3). Nothing official has been announced and maybe some details change. But there will be some GY flexibility at the upper age groups in some capacity. Sorry.

Just because you want to cheat so badly you can taste it wont make GY happen.

So stop posting your unsubstantiated GY fever dreams. They're not true and not planned. For the exact reasons I outlined.

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Are people starting to understand why SY+60 is the way to go (if you're not going to do BY)?

- It addresses all trapped players nationwide
- It keeps the GY cheaters out

With the above accommodations most BY people have no issue with SY.

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Anonymous wrote:I still think mlsnext stays “BY” but allows some number of boys to bioband that is based on sept-dec birthdate or GY and has nothing to do with size.

That wouldn’t be biobanding 😂

MLSN currently only allows late developers to drop one year so the PP is suggesting that it would be limited to Sept -Dec. Considering MLSN has no real policing or criteria for what constitutes what a late developer is and allows biobanding for multiple years and beyond U15, based on comments from other posters, then the Sept-Dec definition would just as good as the current "late developers" rule in defining biobanding.

Yea…none of what you said is accurate.

Mr. Bioband defender definitely in top 3 crazies on here

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are people starting to understand why SY+60 is the way to go (if you're not going to do BY)?

- It addresses all trapped players nationwide
- It keeps the GY cheaters out

With the above accommodations most BY people have no issue with SY.

No, it's just you that thinking opening the floodgate for exceptions is a good idea, and other parents of August kids

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Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to hold back their kids for soccer to the point that it would be an issue. Most elite players play up and do not need or want to play down an age group.

GY to me makes sense because it simplifies teams and keeps kid in the same group as their grade. Also if a kid was held back they should be allowed to play sports while they are in high school.

There are plenty of shenanigans with players being held back in basketball... So its not like it can't happen, there are plenty of examples out there.

What do you mean by plenty? 1 kid per team, 2 kids per team, 1 kid per 5 teams? That would still be between 1-10% of players? The majority will not hold back kids for sports especially on the girls side. I would be willing to bet the girls side has more kids who started early than started late.

If there are so few then a strict SY cutoff should be fine then. Sounds good to me.

You could make the argument both ways. One just aligns all kids with their school grade. If players are great they do not fear competition if there are some holdbacks let the kids get their boots on and compete.

This sounds like the same thing BY people are saying why they don’t want SY kids. Let the sept/dec kids put their boots on and compete.
Just still with strict date like it has always been!

To prove your pint, a family friend has a kid that is a five star football player, probably top 2-3 QB in the 2026 recruiting class. He was held back a year so that he could be this super star. The year he was held back, he wasn’t even top 200.

So many stories like that. Especially boys sports where a year can make such a huge difference.

The problem with holdbacks is once one parent does it with their kid and is successful because of it others will do the same. Also the of age players get their opportunity taken away from them by an older kid who's playing down.

As an example take the GY person that keeps posting an unsubstantiated lie about ECNL moving to GY for olders showcases. How would you feel about it after spending 2-3k to attend some showcase. If a kid a year older started over you kid in front of scouts? See how stupid this is?

Exactly, I dont understand how that would even work. We're going to allow players in prime recruiting ages get pushed to the side by players a year older who've already had a year of playing in front of scouts at events?

For what wins? It's an olders showcase nobody cares. The only situation where this might make sense is if players have already signed commitments and dont care about playing their senior year.

Showcases are for recruiting not wins. Kids of the same GY are competing for the same spots regardless of age. I don’t understand your argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents are not going to hold back their kids for soccer to the point that it would be an issue. Most elite players play up and do not need or want to play down an age group.

GY to me makes sense because it simplifies teams and keeps kid in the same group as their grade. Also if a kid was held back they should be allowed to play sports while they are in high school.

There are plenty of shenanigans with players being held back in basketball... So its not like it can't happen, there are plenty of examples out there.

What do you mean by plenty? 1 kid per team, 2 kids per team, 1 kid per 5 teams? That would still be between 1-10% of players? The majority will not hold back kids for sports especially on the girls side. I would be willing to bet the girls side has more kids who started early than started late.

If there are so few then a strict SY cutoff should be fine then. Sounds good to me.

You could make the argument both ways. One just aligns all kids with their school grade. If players are great they do not fear competition if there are some holdbacks let the kids get their boots on and compete.

This sounds like the same thing BY people are saying why they don’t want SY kids. Let the sept/dec kids put their boots on and compete.
Just still with strict date like it has always been!

To prove your pint, a family friend has a kid that is a five star football player, probably top 2-3 QB in the 2026 recruiting class. He was held back a year so that he could be this super star. The year he was held back, he wasn’t even top 200.

So many stories like that. Especially boys sports where a year can make such a huge difference.

The problem with holdbacks is once one parent does it with their kid and is successful because of it others will do the same. Also the of age players get their opportunity taken away from them by an older kid who's playing down.

As an example take the GY person that keeps posting an unsubstantiated lie about ECNL moving to GY for olders showcases. How would you feel about it after spending 2-3k to attend some showcase. If a kid a year older started over you kid in front of scouts? See how stupid this is?

Exactly, I dont understand how that would even work. We're going to allow players in prime recruiting ages get pushed to the side by players a year older who've already had a year of playing in front of scouts at events?

For what wins? It's an olders showcase nobody cares. The only situation where this might make sense is if players have already signed commitments and dont care about playing their senior year.

Showcases are for recruiting not wins. Kids of the same GY are competing for the same spots regardless of age. I don’t understand your argument.

Haha...

Tell your nonsense to the parents who've been paying big bucks for their kids opportunity to play in front of scouts that its no big deal older players (who've already had a year of playing in front of scouts) will start over their kid at showcases.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are people starting to understand why SY+60 is the way to go (if you're not going to do BY)?

- It addresses all trapped players nationwide
- It keeps the GY cheaters out

With the above accommodations most BY people have no issue with SY.

No, it's just you that thinking opening the floodgate for exceptions is a good idea, and other parents of August kids

There's no floodgate.

Wirh SY+60 kids born 60 days before the official cutoff date are allowed to "play down" with proof of grade enrolled in school + a birth cert. Everyone else is birth cert only.

This addresses all trapped players nationwide + because its a 60 day cutoff it bars all the GY idiots from trying to sneak in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are people starting to understand why SY+60 is the way to go (if you're not going to do BY)?

- It addresses all trapped players nationwide
- It keeps the GY cheaters out

With the above accommodations most BY people have no issue with SY.

No, it's just you that thinking opening the floodgate for exceptions is a good idea, and other parents of August kids

There's no floodgate.

Wirh SY+60 kids born 60 days before the official cutoff date are allowed to "play down" with proof of grade enrolled in school + a birth cert. Everyone else is birth cert only.

This addresses all trapped players nationwide + because its a 60 day cutoff it bars all the GY idiots from trying to sneak in.

Yeah I really don't know why this idea gets soo much hate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are people starting to understand why SY+60 is the way to go (if you're not going to do BY)?

- It addresses all trapped players nationwide
- It keeps the GY cheaters out

With the above accommodations most BY people have no issue with SY.

No, it's just you that thinking opening the floodgate for exceptions is a good idea, and other parents of August kids

There's no floodgate.

Wirh SY+60 kids born 60 days before the official cutoff date are allowed to "play down" with proof of grade enrolled in school + a birth cert. Everyone else is birth cert only.

This addresses all trapped players nationwide + because its a 60 day cutoff it bars all the GY idiots from trying to sneak in.

Agree. This makes the most sense. The only people hating on it are the ones that assume it will lead to more exceptions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are people starting to understand why SY+60 is the way to go (if you're not going to do BY)?

- It addresses all trapped players nationwide
- It keeps the GY cheaters out

With the above accommodations most BY people have no issue with SY.

No, it's just you that thinking opening the floodgate for exceptions is a good idea, and other parents of August kids

There's no floodgate.

Wirh SY+60 kids born 60 days before the official cutoff date are allowed to "play down" with proof of grade enrolled in school + a birth cert. Everyone else is birth cert only.

This addresses all trapped players nationwide + because its a 60 day cutoff it bars all the GY idiots from trying to sneak in.

Agree. This makes the most sense. The only people hating on it are the ones that assume it will lead to more exceptions.

There will be a push for SY 90 plus, then just GY, so yeah, exceptions floodgate for those representing their kids. It's laudable to argue for your kid but not tenable for leagues to cater to your kid. This type of exception suggestion is the reason they spent a year arguing this stuff behind closed doors. And haven't offered any details on the age change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are people starting to understand why SY+60 is the way to go (if you're not going to do BY)?

- It addresses all trapped players nationwide
- It keeps the GY cheaters out

With the above accommodations most BY people have no issue with SY.

No, it's just you that thinking opening the floodgate for exceptions is a good idea, and other parents of August kids

There's no floodgate.

Wirh SY+60 kids born 60 days before the official cutoff date are allowed to "play down" with proof of grade enrolled in school + a birth cert. Everyone else is birth cert only.

This addresses all trapped players nationwide + because its a 60 day cutoff it bars all the GY idiots from trying to sneak in.

Agree. This makes the most sense. The only people hating on it are the ones that assume it will lead to more exceptions.

Leading to more exceptions is why its important to call out the only exception in the name ie SY+60.

It's also important that the only exception is a number (60) so people can't try and twist the definition into something else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are people starting to understand why SY+60 is the way to go (if you're not going to do BY)?

- It addresses all trapped players nationwide
- It keeps the GY cheaters out

With the above accommodations most BY people have no issue with SY.

No, it's just you that thinking opening the floodgate for exceptions is a good idea, and other parents of August kids

There's no floodgate.

Wirh SY+60 kids born 60 days before the official cutoff date are allowed to "play down" with proof of grade enrolled in school + a birth cert. Everyone else is birth cert only.

This addresses all trapped players nationwide + because its a 60 day cutoff it bars all the GY idiots from trying to sneak in.

Agree. This makes the most sense. The only people hating on it are the ones that assume it will lead to more exceptions.

There will be a push for SY 90 plus, then just GY, so yeah, exceptions floodgate for those representing their kids. It's laudable to argue for your kid but not tenable for leagues to cater to your kid. This type of exception suggestion is the reason they spent a year arguing this stuff behind closed doors. And haven't offered any details on the age change.

No there won't be a change because SY+60 is already the defined norm. Trying to change it to SY+90 or whatever would require rebranding + explaining to everyone why you're making the change. Which will never happen because people will see through the obvious attempt to subvert SY+60.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are people starting to understand why SY+60 is the way to go (if you're not going to do BY)?

- It addresses all trapped players nationwide
- It keeps the GY cheaters out

With the above accommodations most BY people have no issue with SY.

No, it's just you that thinking opening the floodgate for exceptions is a good idea, and other parents of August kids

There's no floodgate.

Wirh SY+60 kids born 60 days before the official cutoff date are allowed to "play down" with proof of grade enrolled in school + a birth cert. Everyone else is birth cert only.

This addresses all trapped players nationwide + because its a 60 day cutoff it bars all the GY idiots from trying to sneak in.

Yeah I really don't know why this idea gets soo much hate.

It's likely just one idiot that's really loud + just wants to win an arguement + doesn't really care what that arguement is.

[Anonymous]

Waste of time. His kid will be the youngest soon.