Gaza War, Part 3

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“ Rafah’s threadbare health network is collapsing when people there need it most.
The city’s largest hospital was shuttered two days ago, in a panic, after Israel ordered 100,000 Palestinians in southeastern Gaza to evacuate. Small clinics that accommodated hundreds of people a week closed as well, with staff members forced to flee the violence.
Bodies lay where they fell, in the “red zone” that the few ambulances available could not reach because of Israeli bombardment.”

What is a terrorist? From the dictionary = person who uses violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I cannot see any other word for what Israel is inflicting now in Gaza other than terrorism.

Words have meaning. The word you are looking for is war. Israel is inflicting war on Gaza.

Wars are between armies. There is a war in Ukraine. In Gaza there is a holocaust.

It's ironic, isn't it? We supported Israel because it gave a homeland to victims of the Nazis. Now Israel is using our protection and our arms to exterminate the Palestinians. It defies belief.

No, Israel legitimized the right of Jews to return to and live in their ancestral homeland.
Victims of the Nazis were the ancestors of Jews expelled from what is now Israel. In the years leading up to the Holocaust, Europeans told Jews to "go home".

This is a jaw-droppingly selfish, illogical, truly stupid, racist, and supremacist argument! People lived in the area for tens of thousands of years before Judaism was invented, possibly as early as almost 200,000 years ago (https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/january/humans-left-africa-40-000-years-earlier-than-we-thought.html). Judaism did not really develop as a monotheistic religion until the Babylonian captivity (around the 6th century BCE). Jews lived in the area for a brief snapshot of human history. All of us except those who are purely African have ancestors who lived in the area on their way out of Africa, and most of them did so long before Judaism was invented. By your logic, why can't these people legitimize the "right to return"? And what about the many people who lived in the area contemporaneously with Jews, some of whom were Jewish, and stayed on, and whose descendants became the Palestinians? These people may now be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, or something else entirely. Why are they not considered indigenous, and what gave European invaders the right to ethnically cleanse them? And then how "ancestral" is Israel to people who are predominantly European? My blond-haired, blue-eyed Ashkenazi friend took a DNA test and came out almost 90% Polish and about 10% Egyptian. As she herself says, what gives her the right to displace people in the Levant whose ancestors have lived there for 100,000 years? The entire premise of Israel is racist and wrong.

Have you ever asked yourself why a group of Europeans, who were lucky enough to survive a war, no less, would have any interest in moving to a primitive patch of desert outside of Europe? Is this something that you think would be appealing to Russians? Why?

If one is offered land and possibly a house (perhaps by then the bodies of the real owners, who were raped and executed by the Irgun or an early iteration of the IDF would be almost cold), it would appeal to many people. Warm climate. Ethnically fairly homogenous, rather like those white supremacist camps up in Idaho. You can see why that would appeal to some people. And while the Holocaust was horrific and traumatic, there was never any reason why innocent and indigenous Palestinians should EVER have been ethnically cleansed for the convenience of the colonizers. The whole idea is sickening.

Well, I personally think that both Jews and Palestinians are native to the region of Israel/Palestine and both are entitled to live there. And guess what? That was the plan in the first place. A space for each. You know the rest.

So you're OK with "ethnically cleansing" (closer to a genocide) Palestinians during the Nakba? 'K. I don't think Jews have any particular claim on that land. Some of them may have had ancestors who lived there 2,000 years previously, which doesn't make them "native," and they didn't have any right to establish an ethno-supremacist state. I can see individual Jews applying to move there, but the overweening entitlement that leads Zionists to believe they own the land and Palestinians are interlopers is so obviously a racist, supremacist ideology.

Do you only focus on Israel? Are you actively working to get land back to the Native Americans? How about protesting to give back many of the French, Dutch and British owned Caribbean islands and African countries to the native peoples there? Why should their wealth and resources go back to a foreign tax office? Have you boycotted their products yet or do you just focus on Israel because you got your education from TikTok?

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Anonymous wrote:From the WP:

“ Rafah’s threadbare health network is collapsing when people there need it most.
The city’s largest hospital was shuttered two days ago, in a panic, after Israel ordered 100,000 Palestinians in southeastern Gaza to evacuate. Small clinics that accommodated hundreds of people a week closed as well, with staff members forced to flee the violence.
Bodies lay where they fell, in the “red zone” that the few ambulances available could not reach because of Israeli bombardment.”

What is a terrorist? From the dictionary = person who uses violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I cannot see any other word for what Israel is inflicting now in Gaza other than terrorism.

Words have meaning. The word you are looking for is war. Israel is inflicting war on Gaza.

Wars are between armies. There is a war in Ukraine. In Gaza there is a holocaust.

It's ironic, isn't it? We supported Israel because it gave a homeland to victims of the Nazis. Now Israel is using our protection and our arms to exterminate the Palestinians. It defies belief.

No, Israel legitimized the right of Jews to return to and live in their ancestral homeland.
Victims of the Nazis were the ancestors of Jews expelled from what is now Israel. In the years leading up to the Holocaust, Europeans told Jews to "go home".

This is a jaw-droppingly selfish, illogical, truly stupid, racist, and supremacist argument! People lived in the area for tens of thousands of years before Judaism was invented, possibly as early as almost 200,000 years ago (https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/january/humans-left-africa-40-000-years-earlier-than-we-thought.html). Judaism did not really develop as a monotheistic religion until the Babylonian captivity (around the 6th century BCE). Jews lived in the area for a brief snapshot of human history. All of us except those who are purely African have ancestors who lived in the area on their way out of Africa, and most of them did so long before Judaism was invented. By your logic, why can't these people legitimize the "right to return"? And what about the many people who lived in the area contemporaneously with Jews, some of whom were Jewish, and stayed on, and whose descendants became the Palestinians? These people may now be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, or something else entirely. Why are they not considered indigenous, and what gave European invaders the right to ethnically cleanse them? And then how "ancestral" is Israel to people who are predominantly European? My blond-haired, blue-eyed Ashkenazi friend took a DNA test and came out almost 90% Polish and about 10% Egyptian. As she herself says, what gives her the right to displace people in the Levant whose ancestors have lived there for 100,000 years? The entire premise of Israel is racist and wrong.

Have you ever asked yourself why a group of Europeans, who were lucky enough to survive a war, no less, would have any interest in moving to a primitive patch of desert outside of Europe? Is this something that you think would be appealing to Russians? Why?

Are you serious? Land that comes at no cost that you can displace others from on the basis of a fairytale biblical claim? That sounds pitch perfect for a group that acts like the settlers in the West Bank, wouldn't you say?

No, I actually really don't understand why Poles, Germans, Austrians, etcetera, would opt to leave their first world homeland of Europe to live in the desert. Because they wouldn't. Jews wanted to.

Do you know any Europeans? Ask THEM if they think Jews living in Europe are European. Even now.

I lived in Europe for much of my life (Germany and Switzerland). OF COURSE, Europeans think Jews living in Europe are European! OF COURSE, Germans and Swiss have equal rights, regardless of ethnicity or religion. Now let's turn the question to indigenous Palestinians evicted from their land during the Nakba. Do Israelis think of them as equal? As human? As deserving of the same rights? I doubt it. They used to shoot and kill them if, after they had ethnically cleansed them, these poor people tried to get back to their homes to recover some of their possessions (which by then had usually been destroyed or stolen).

There are no indigenous Palestinians. They came from Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. They are Arabs.

Lying sack of trash says what?

And yet DNA testing is only banned and feared in Israel? Hmmm …

Only commercial tests like Ancestry are banned out of privacy concerns. France does the same. You can order a test from abroad, have one in Israel for medical reasons or with a court order. And the other poster is correct: there is no such thing as "Palestinian" as a DNA test result: It will come back Levant, Egypt, Arabian Peninsula, maybe Cyprus, Lebanon...You can look up people's result images all over the internet to get an idea and see for yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:From the WP:

“ Rafah’s threadbare health network is collapsing when people there need it most.
The city’s largest hospital was shuttered two days ago, in a panic, after Israel ordered 100,000 Palestinians in southeastern Gaza to evacuate. Small clinics that accommodated hundreds of people a week closed as well, with staff members forced to flee the violence.
Bodies lay where they fell, in the “red zone” that the few ambulances available could not reach because of Israeli bombardment.”

What is a terrorist? From the dictionary = person who uses violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I cannot see any other word for what Israel is inflicting now in Gaza other than terrorism.

Words have meaning. The word you are looking for is war. Israel is inflicting war on Gaza.

Wars are between armies. There is a war in Ukraine. In Gaza there is a holocaust.

It's ironic, isn't it? We supported Israel because it gave a homeland to victims of the Nazis. Now Israel is using our protection and our arms to exterminate the Palestinians. It defies belief.

No, Israel legitimized the right of Jews to return to and live in their ancestral homeland.
Victims of the Nazis were the ancestors of Jews expelled from what is now Israel. In the years leading up to the Holocaust, Europeans told Jews to "go home".

This is a jaw-droppingly selfish, illogical, truly stupid, racist, and supremacist argument! People lived in the area for tens of thousands of years before Judaism was invented, possibly as early as almost 200,000 years ago (https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/january/humans-left-africa-40-000-years-earlier-than-we-thought.html). Judaism did not really develop as a monotheistic religion until the Babylonian captivity (around the 6th century BCE). Jews lived in the area for a brief snapshot of human history. All of us except those who are purely African have ancestors who lived in the area on their way out of Africa, and most of them did so long before Judaism was invented. By your logic, why can't these people legitimize the "right to return"? And what about the many people who lived in the area contemporaneously with Jews, some of whom were Jewish, and stayed on, and whose descendants became the Palestinians? These people may now be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, or something else entirely. Why are they not considered indigenous, and what gave European invaders the right to ethnically cleanse them? And then how "ancestral" is Israel to people who are predominantly European? My blond-haired, blue-eyed Ashkenazi friend took a DNA test and came out almost 90% Polish and about 10% Egyptian. As she herself says, what gives her the right to displace people in the Levant whose ancestors have lived there for 100,000 years? The entire premise of Israel is racist and wrong.

Have you ever asked yourself why a group of Europeans, who were lucky enough to survive a war, no less, would have any interest in moving to a primitive patch of desert outside of Europe? Is this something that you think would be appealing to Russians? Why?

Are you serious? Land that comes at no cost that you can displace others from on the basis of a fairytale biblical claim? That sounds pitch perfect for a group that acts like the settlers in the West Bank, wouldn't you say?

No, I actually really don't understand why Poles, Germans, Austrians, etcetera, would opt to leave their first world homeland of Europe to live in the desert. Because they wouldn't. Jews wanted to.

Do you know any Europeans? Ask THEM if they think Jews living in Europe are European. Even now.

I lived in Europe for much of my life (Germany and Switzerland). OF COURSE, Europeans think Jews living in Europe are European! OF COURSE, Germans and Swiss have equal rights, regardless of ethnicity or religion. Now let's turn the question to indigenous Palestinians evicted from their land during the Nakba. Do Israelis think of them as equal? As human? As deserving of the same rights? I doubt it. They used to shoot and kill them if, after they had ethnically cleansed them, these poor people tried to get back to their homes to recover some of their possessions (which by then had usually been destroyed or stolen).

There are no indigenous Palestinians. They came from Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. They are Arabs.

Lying sack of trash says what?

And yet DNA testing is only banned and feared in Israel? Hmmm …

Only commercial tests like Ancestry are banned out of privacy concerns. France does the same. You can order a test from abroad, have one in Israel for medical reasons or with a court order. And the other poster is correct: there is no such thing as "Palestinian" as a DNA test result: It will come back Levant, Egypt, Arabian Peninsula, maybe Cyprus, Lebanon...You can look up people's result images all over the internet to get an idea and see for yourself.

+100 I love the dna conspiracy theories they come up with.

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Anonymous wrote:From the WP:

“ Rafah’s threadbare health network is collapsing when people there need it most.
The city’s largest hospital was shuttered two days ago, in a panic, after Israel ordered 100,000 Palestinians in southeastern Gaza to evacuate. Small clinics that accommodated hundreds of people a week closed as well, with staff members forced to flee the violence.
Bodies lay where they fell, in the “red zone” that the few ambulances available could not reach because of Israeli bombardment.”

What is a terrorist? From the dictionary = person who uses violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I cannot see any other word for what Israel is inflicting now in Gaza other than terrorism.

Words have meaning. The word you are looking for is war. Israel is inflicting war on Gaza.

Wars are between armies. There is a war in Ukraine. In Gaza there is a holocaust.

It's ironic, isn't it? We supported Israel because it gave a homeland to victims of the Nazis. Now Israel is using our protection and our arms to exterminate the Palestinians. It defies belief.

No, Israel legitimized the right of Jews to return to and live in their ancestral homeland.
Victims of the Nazis were the ancestors of Jews expelled from what is now Israel. In the years leading up to the Holocaust, Europeans told Jews to "go home".

This is a jaw-droppingly selfish, illogical, truly stupid, racist, and supremacist argument! People lived in the area for tens of thousands of years before Judaism was invented, possibly as early as almost 200,000 years ago (https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/january/humans-left-africa-40-000-years-earlier-than-we-thought.html). Judaism did not really develop as a monotheistic religion until the Babylonian captivity (around the 6th century BCE). Jews lived in the area for a brief snapshot of human history. All of us except those who are purely African have ancestors who lived in the area on their way out of Africa, and most of them did so long before Judaism was invented. By your logic, why can't these people legitimize the "right to return"? And what about the many people who lived in the area contemporaneously with Jews, some of whom were Jewish, and stayed on, and whose descendants became the Palestinians? These people may now be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, or something else entirely. Why are they not considered indigenous, and what gave European invaders the right to ethnically cleanse them? And then how "ancestral" is Israel to people who are predominantly European? My blond-haired, blue-eyed Ashkenazi friend took a DNA test and came out almost 90% Polish and about 10% Egyptian. As she herself says, what gives her the right to displace people in the Levant whose ancestors have lived there for 100,000 years? The entire premise of Israel is racist and wrong.

Have you ever asked yourself why a group of Europeans, who were lucky enough to survive a war, no less, would have any interest in moving to a primitive patch of desert outside of Europe? Is this something that you think would be appealing to Russians? Why?

If one is offered land and possibly a house (perhaps by then the bodies of the real owners, who were raped and executed by the Irgun or an early iteration of the IDF would be almost cold), it would appeal to many people. Warm climate. Ethnically fairly homogenous, rather like those white supremacist camps up in Idaho. You can see why that would appeal to some people. And while the Holocaust was horrific and traumatic, there was never any reason why innocent and indigenous Palestinians should EVER have been ethnically cleansed for the convenience of the colonizers. The whole idea is sickening.

Well, I personally think that both Jews and Palestinians are native to the region of Israel/Palestine and both are entitled to live there. And guess what? That was the plan in the first place. A space for each. You know the rest.

So you're OK with "ethnically cleansing" (closer to a genocide) Palestinians during the Nakba? 'K. I don't think Jews have any particular claim on that land. Some of them may have had ancestors who lived there 2,000 years previously, which doesn't make them "native," and they didn't have any right to establish an ethno-supremacist state. I can see individual Jews applying to move there, but the overweening entitlement that leads Zionists to believe they own the land and Palestinians are interlopers is so obviously a racist, supremacist ideology.

Do you only focus on Israel? Are you actively working to get land back to the Native Americans? How about protesting to give back many of the French, Dutch and British owned Caribbean islands and African countries to the native peoples there? Why should their wealth and resources go back to a foreign tax office? Have you boycotted their products yet or do you just focus on Israel because you got your education from TikTok?

You got 'em! Why focus on atrocities when there are other bad things out there. Just let it all burn down, right? Right?

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Anonymous wrote:From the WP:

“ Rafah’s threadbare health network is collapsing when people there need it most.
The city’s largest hospital was shuttered two days ago, in a panic, after Israel ordered 100,000 Palestinians in southeastern Gaza to evacuate. Small clinics that accommodated hundreds of people a week closed as well, with staff members forced to flee the violence.
Bodies lay where they fell, in the “red zone” that the few ambulances available could not reach because of Israeli bombardment.”

What is a terrorist? From the dictionary = person who uses violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I cannot see any other word for what Israel is inflicting now in Gaza other than terrorism.

Words have meaning. The word you are looking for is war. Israel is inflicting war on Gaza.

Wars are between armies. There is a war in Ukraine. In Gaza there is a holocaust.

It's ironic, isn't it? We supported Israel because it gave a homeland to victims of the Nazis. Now Israel is using our protection and our arms to exterminate the Palestinians. It defies belief.

No, Israel legitimized the right of Jews to return to and live in their ancestral homeland.
Victims of the Nazis were the ancestors of Jews expelled from what is now Israel. In the years leading up to the Holocaust, Europeans told Jews to "go home".

This is a jaw-droppingly selfish, illogical, truly stupid, racist, and supremacist argument! People lived in the area for tens of thousands of years before Judaism was invented, possibly as early as almost 200,000 years ago (https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/january/humans-left-africa-40-000-years-earlier-than-we-thought.html). Judaism did not really develop as a monotheistic religion until the Babylonian captivity (around the 6th century BCE). Jews lived in the area for a brief snapshot of human history. All of us except those who are purely African have ancestors who lived in the area on their way out of Africa, and most of them did so long before Judaism was invented. By your logic, why can't these people legitimize the "right to return"? And what about the many people who lived in the area contemporaneously with Jews, some of whom were Jewish, and stayed on, and whose descendants became the Palestinians? These people may now be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, or something else entirely. Why are they not considered indigenous, and what gave European invaders the right to ethnically cleanse them? And then how "ancestral" is Israel to people who are predominantly European? My blond-haired, blue-eyed Ashkenazi friend took a DNA test and came out almost 90% Polish and about 10% Egyptian. As she herself says, what gives her the right to displace people in the Levant whose ancestors have lived there for 100,000 years? The entire premise of Israel is racist and wrong.

Have you ever asked yourself why a group of Europeans, who were lucky enough to survive a war, no less, would have any interest in moving to a primitive patch of desert outside of Europe? Is this something that you think would be appealing to Russians? Why?

Are you serious? Land that comes at no cost that you can displace others from on the basis of a fairytale biblical claim? That sounds pitch perfect for a group that acts like the settlers in the West Bank, wouldn't you say?

No, I actually really don't understand why Poles, Germans, Austrians, etcetera, would opt to leave their first world homeland of Europe to live in the desert. Because they wouldn't. Jews wanted to.

Do you know any Europeans? Ask THEM if they think Jews living in Europe are European. Even now.

I lived in Europe for much of my life (Germany and Switzerland). OF COURSE, Europeans think Jews living in Europe are European! OF COURSE, Germans and Swiss have equal rights, regardless of ethnicity or religion. Now let's turn the question to indigenous Palestinians evicted from their land during the Nakba. Do Israelis think of them as equal? As human? As deserving of the same rights? I doubt it. They used to shoot and kill them if, after they had ethnically cleansed them, these poor people tried to get back to their homes to recover some of their possessions (which by then had usually been destroyed or stolen).

There are no indigenous Palestinians. They came from Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. They are Arabs.

Lying sack of trash says what?

And yet DNA testing is only banned and feared in Israel? Hmmm …

Only commercial tests like Ancestry are banned out of privacy concerns. France does the same. You can order a test from abroad, have one in Israel for medical reasons or with a court order. And the other poster is correct: there is no such thing as "Palestinian" as a DNA test result: It will come back Levant, Egypt, Arabian Peninsula, maybe Cyprus, Lebanon...You can look up people's result images all over the internet to get an idea and see for yourself.

Where do you think the Levant lies?

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Anonymous wrote:From the WP:

“ Rafah’s threadbare health network is collapsing when people there need it most.
The city’s largest hospital was shuttered two days ago, in a panic, after Israel ordered 100,000 Palestinians in southeastern Gaza to evacuate. Small clinics that accommodated hundreds of people a week closed as well, with staff members forced to flee the violence.
Bodies lay where they fell, in the “red zone” that the few ambulances available could not reach because of Israeli bombardment.”

What is a terrorist? From the dictionary = person who uses violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I cannot see any other word for what Israel is inflicting now in Gaza other than terrorism.

Words have meaning. The word you are looking for is war. Israel is inflicting war on Gaza.

Wars are between armies. There is a war in Ukraine. In Gaza there is a holocaust.

It's ironic, isn't it? We supported Israel because it gave a homeland to victims of the Nazis. Now Israel is using our protection and our arms to exterminate the Palestinians. It defies belief.

No, Israel legitimized the right of Jews to return to and live in their ancestral homeland.
Victims of the Nazis were the ancestors of Jews expelled from what is now Israel. In the years leading up to the Holocaust, Europeans told Jews to "go home".

This is a jaw-droppingly selfish, illogical, truly stupid, racist, and supremacist argument! People lived in the area for tens of thousands of years before Judaism was invented, possibly as early as almost 200,000 years ago (https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/january/humans-left-africa-40-000-years-earlier-than-we-thought.html). Judaism did not really develop as a monotheistic religion until the Babylonian captivity (around the 6th century BCE). Jews lived in the area for a brief snapshot of human history. All of us except those who are purely African have ancestors who lived in the area on their way out of Africa, and most of them did so long before Judaism was invented. By your logic, why can't these people legitimize the "right to return"? And what about the many people who lived in the area contemporaneously with Jews, some of whom were Jewish, and stayed on, and whose descendants became the Palestinians? These people may now be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, or something else entirely. Why are they not considered indigenous, and what gave European invaders the right to ethnically cleanse them? And then how "ancestral" is Israel to people who are predominantly European? My blond-haired, blue-eyed Ashkenazi friend took a DNA test and came out almost 90% Polish and about 10% Egyptian. As she herself says, what gives her the right to displace people in the Levant whose ancestors have lived there for 100,000 years? The entire premise of Israel is racist and wrong.

Have you ever asked yourself why a group of Europeans, who were lucky enough to survive a war, no less, would have any interest in moving to a primitive patch of desert outside of Europe? Is this something that you think would be appealing to Russians? Why?

Are you serious? Land that comes at no cost that you can displace others from on the basis of a fairytale biblical claim? That sounds pitch perfect for a group that acts like the settlers in the West Bank, wouldn't you say?

No, I actually really don't understand why Poles, Germans, Austrians, etcetera, would opt to leave their first world homeland of Europe to live in the desert. Because they wouldn't. Jews wanted to.

Do you know any Europeans? Ask THEM if they think Jews living in Europe are European. Even now.

I lived in Europe for much of my life (Germany and Switzerland). OF COURSE, Europeans think Jews living in Europe are European! OF COURSE, Germans and Swiss have equal rights, regardless of ethnicity or religion. Now let's turn the question to indigenous Palestinians evicted from their land during the Nakba. Do Israelis think of them as equal? As human? As deserving of the same rights? I doubt it. They used to shoot and kill them if, after they had ethnically cleansed them, these poor people tried to get back to their homes to recover some of their possessions (which by then had usually been destroyed or stolen).

There are no indigenous Palestinians. They came from Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. They are Arabs.

Lying sack of trash says what?

And yet DNA testing is only banned and feared in Israel? Hmmm …

Only commercial tests like Ancestry are banned out of privacy concerns. France does the same. You can order a test from abroad, have one in Israel for medical reasons or with a court order. And the other poster is correct: there is no such thing as "Palestinian" as a DNA test result: It will come back Levant, Egypt, Arabian Peninsula, maybe Cyprus, Lebanon...You can look up people's result images all over the internet to get an idea and see for yourself.

+100 I love the dna conspiracy theories they come up with.

Are you the "my DNA came back 100% Jewish" fraudster?

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I feel sick after reading this. Thank goodness for this brave Israeli whistleblower detailing the appalling conditions at the Sde Teiman detention facility and the inhumane treatment of Palestinian detainees. How can Israel not be violating international law when it now has a law permitting the detention of people for 45 without an arrest warrant?!?! How does that represent democratic norms? There should be no question that our US taxpayer money not go to support this.

Massive trigger warning.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html#:~:text=Strapped%20down%2C%20blindfolded%2C%20held%20in,Palestinians%20in%20shadowy%20detention%20center&text=At%20a%20military%20base%20that,says%20continues%20to%20haunt%20him.

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Anonymous wrote:From the WP:

“ Rafah’s threadbare health network is collapsing when people there need it most.
The city’s largest hospital was shuttered two days ago, in a panic, after Israel ordered 100,000 Palestinians in southeastern Gaza to evacuate. Small clinics that accommodated hundreds of people a week closed as well, with staff members forced to flee the violence.
Bodies lay where they fell, in the “red zone” that the few ambulances available could not reach because of Israeli bombardment.”

What is a terrorist? From the dictionary = person who uses violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I cannot see any other word for what Israel is inflicting now in Gaza other than terrorism.

Words have meaning. The word you are looking for is war. Israel is inflicting war on Gaza.

Wars are between armies. There is a war in Ukraine. In Gaza there is a holocaust.

It's ironic, isn't it? We supported Israel because it gave a homeland to victims of the Nazis. Now Israel is using our protection and our arms to exterminate the Palestinians. It defies belief.

No, Israel legitimized the right of Jews to return to and live in their ancestral homeland.
Victims of the Nazis were the ancestors of Jews expelled from what is now Israel. In the years leading up to the Holocaust, Europeans told Jews to "go home".

This is a jaw-droppingly selfish, illogical, truly stupid, racist, and supremacist argument! People lived in the area for tens of thousands of years before Judaism was invented, possibly as early as almost 200,000 years ago (https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/january/humans-left-africa-40-000-years-earlier-than-we-thought.html). Judaism did not really develop as a monotheistic religion until the Babylonian captivity (around the 6th century BCE). Jews lived in the area for a brief snapshot of human history. All of us except those who are purely African have ancestors who lived in the area on their way out of Africa, and most of them did so long before Judaism was invented. By your logic, why can't these people legitimize the "right to return"? And what about the many people who lived in the area contemporaneously with Jews, some of whom were Jewish, and stayed on, and whose descendants became the Palestinians? These people may now be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, or something else entirely. Why are they not considered indigenous, and what gave European invaders the right to ethnically cleanse them? And then how "ancestral" is Israel to people who are predominantly European? My blond-haired, blue-eyed Ashkenazi friend took a DNA test and came out almost 90% Polish and about 10% Egyptian. As she herself says, what gives her the right to displace people in the Levant whose ancestors have lived there for 100,000 years? The entire premise of Israel is racist and wrong.

Have you ever asked yourself why a group of Europeans, who were lucky enough to survive a war, no less, would have any interest in moving to a primitive patch of desert outside of Europe? Is this something that you think would be appealing to Russians? Why?

If one is offered land and possibly a house (perhaps by then the bodies of the real owners, who were raped and executed by the Irgun or an early iteration of the IDF would be almost cold), it would appeal to many people. Warm climate. Ethnically fairly homogenous, rather like those white supremacist camps up in Idaho. You can see why that would appeal to some people. And while the Holocaust was horrific and traumatic, there was never any reason why innocent and indigenous Palestinians should EVER have been ethnically cleansed for the convenience of the colonizers. The whole idea is sickening.

Well, I personally think that both Jews and Palestinians are native to the region of Israel/Palestine and both are entitled to live there. And guess what? That was the plan in the first place. A space for each. You know the rest.

So you're OK with "ethnically cleansing" (closer to a genocide) Palestinians during the Nakba? 'K. I don't think Jews have any particular claim on that land. Some of them may have had ancestors who lived there 2,000 years previously, which doesn't make them "native," and they didn't have any right to establish an ethno-supremacist state. I can see individual Jews applying to move there, but the overweening entitlement that leads Zionists to believe they own the land and Palestinians are interlopers is so obviously a racist, supremacist ideology.

Do you only focus on Israel? Are you actively working to get land back to the Native Americans? How about protesting to give back many of the French, Dutch and British owned Caribbean islands and African countries to the native peoples there? Why should their wealth and resources go back to a foreign tax office? Have you boycotted their products yet or do you just focus on Israel because you got your education from TikTok?

This thread is intended for discussions of the situation in Gaza. You are welcome to start threads on other topics. For the record, I support reparations for Native Americans. And the "you got your education from Tiktok" meme is so stupid. The more people know about the situation, the more likely they are to be disgusted by Israel and its racist history.

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Anonymous wrote:From the WP:

“ Rafah’s threadbare health network is collapsing when people there need it most.
The city’s largest hospital was shuttered two days ago, in a panic, after Israel ordered 100,000 Palestinians in southeastern Gaza to evacuate. Small clinics that accommodated hundreds of people a week closed as well, with staff members forced to flee the violence.
Bodies lay where they fell, in the “red zone” that the few ambulances available could not reach because of Israeli bombardment.”

What is a terrorist? From the dictionary = person who uses violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

I cannot see any other word for what Israel is inflicting now in Gaza other than terrorism.

Words have meaning. The word you are looking for is war. Israel is inflicting war on Gaza.

Wars are between armies. There is a war in Ukraine. In Gaza there is a holocaust.

It's ironic, isn't it? We supported Israel because it gave a homeland to victims of the Nazis. Now Israel is using our protection and our arms to exterminate the Palestinians. It defies belief.

No, Israel legitimized the right of Jews to return to and live in their ancestral homeland.
Victims of the Nazis were the ancestors of Jews expelled from what is now Israel. In the years leading up to the Holocaust, Europeans told Jews to "go home".

This is a jaw-droppingly selfish, illogical, truly stupid, racist, and supremacist argument! People lived in the area for tens of thousands of years before Judaism was invented, possibly as early as almost 200,000 years ago (https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/january/humans-left-africa-40-000-years-earlier-than-we-thought.html). Judaism did not really develop as a monotheistic religion until the Babylonian captivity (around the 6th century BCE). Jews lived in the area for a brief snapshot of human history. All of us except those who are purely African have ancestors who lived in the area on their way out of Africa, and most of them did so long before Judaism was invented. By your logic, why can't these people legitimize the "right to return"? And what about the many people who lived in the area contemporaneously with Jews, some of whom were Jewish, and stayed on, and whose descendants became the Palestinians? These people may now be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze, or something else entirely. Why are they not considered indigenous, and what gave European invaders the right to ethnically cleanse them? And then how "ancestral" is Israel to people who are predominantly European? My blond-haired, blue-eyed Ashkenazi friend took a DNA test and came out almost 90% Polish and about 10% Egyptian. As she herself says, what gives her the right to displace people in the Levant whose ancestors have lived there for 100,000 years? The entire premise of Israel is racist and wrong.

Have you ever asked yourself why a group of Europeans, who were lucky enough to survive a war, no less, would have any interest in moving to a primitive patch of desert outside of Europe? Is this something that you think would be appealing to Russians? Why?

Are you serious? Land that comes at no cost that you can displace others from on the basis of a fairytale biblical claim? That sounds pitch perfect for a group that acts like the settlers in the West Bank, wouldn't you say?

No, I actually really don't understand why Poles, Germans, Austrians, etcetera, would opt to leave their first world homeland of Europe to live in the desert. Because they wouldn't. Jews wanted to.

Do you know any Europeans? Ask THEM if they think Jews living in Europe are European. Even now.

I lived in Europe for much of my life (Germany and Switzerland). OF COURSE, Europeans think Jews living in Europe are European! OF COURSE, Germans and Swiss have equal rights, regardless of ethnicity or religion. Now let's turn the question to indigenous Palestinians evicted from their land during the Nakba. Do Israelis think of them as equal? As human? As deserving of the same rights? I doubt it. They used to shoot and kill them if, after they had ethnically cleansed them, these poor people tried to get back to their homes to recover some of their possessions (which by then had usually been destroyed or stolen).

There are no indigenous Palestinians. They came from Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. They are Arabs.

Lying sack of trash says what?

And yet DNA testing is only banned and feared in Israel? Hmmm …

Only commercial tests like Ancestry are banned out of privacy concerns. France does the same. You can order a test from abroad, have one in Israel for medical reasons or with a court order. And the other poster is correct: there is no such thing as "Palestinian" as a DNA test result: It will come back Levant, Egypt, Arabian Peninsula, maybe Cyprus, Lebanon...You can look up people's result images all over the internet to get an idea and see for yourself.

Where do you think the Levant lies?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel sick after reading this. Thank goodness for this brave Israeli whistleblower detailing the appalling conditions at the Sde Teiman detention facility and the inhumane treatment of Palestinian detainees. How can Israel not be violating international law when it now has a law permitting the detention of people for 45 without an arrest warrant?!?! How does that represent democratic norms? There should be no question that our US taxpayer money not go to support this.

Massive trigger warning.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html#:~:text=Strapped%20down%2C%20blindfolded%2C%20held%20in,Palestinians%20in%20shadowy%20detention%20center&text=At%20a%20military%20base%20that,says%20continues%20to%20haunt%20him.

This is absolutely horrifying! Yes, Israel is violating international law in multiple ways. The U.S. has unconditionally supported Israel's egregious conduct for decades, so Israel is never held accountable. It's encouraging that the U.S. is finally starting to push back.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel sick after reading this. Thank goodness for this brave Israeli whistleblower detailing the appalling conditions at the Sde Teiman detention facility and the inhumane treatment of Palestinian detainees. How can Israel not be violating international law when it now has a law permitting the detention of people for 45 without an arrest warrant?!?! How does that represent democratic norms? There should be no question that our US taxpayer money not go to support this.

Massive trigger warning.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html#:~:text=Strapped%20down%2C%20blindfolded%2C%20held%20in,Palestinians%20in%20shadowy%20detention%20center&text=At%20a%20military%20base%20that,says%20continues%20to%20haunt%20him.

This is absolutely horrifying! Yes, Israel is violating international law in multiple ways. The U.S. has unconditionally supported Israel's egregious conduct for decades, so Israel is never held accountable. It's encouraging that the U.S. is finally starting to push back.

When you read accounts like these, and consider the shocking, wicked ways in which the State of Israel operates, I think it’s natural to start wondering if Israel not only requires vast reform and a course correction, but perhaps needs to be dealt with in much more serious ways. These people don’t seem to understand anything except brutality.

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Trump will appoint Jared Kushner as the new leader of Israel. This is his plan.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel sick after reading this. Thank goodness for this brave Israeli whistleblower detailing the appalling conditions at the Sde Teiman detention facility and the inhumane treatment of Palestinian detainees. How can Israel not be violating international law when it now has a law permitting the detention of people for 45 without an arrest warrant?!?! How does that represent democratic norms? There should be no question that our US taxpayer money not go to support this.

Massive trigger warning.

This is distressing to read.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html#:~:text=Strapped%20down%2C%20blindfolded%2C%20held%20in,Palestinians%20in%20shadowy%20detention%20center&text=At%20a%20military%20base%20that,says%20continues%20to%20haunt%20him.

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I think every country has original sin so I don’t fault Israel for the past just like I don’t fault modern day Germany for their past or Turkey for their past but how do we move on from here? If Palestinian all leave to Jordan or Egypt, doesn’t that make Israel less safe? Gaza and West Bank don’t share a land border so essentially it’s a three state solution but where will the settlers go?

It seems like undoing Netanyahus damage will be a tall order for the next Israeli PM