ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:As the mom of a former trapped player (Nov 04) who had to skip u12 when the BY change happened, had no 8th grade spring season, was one of 4 trapped players to invade the 05 team and take their play time and captain bands and be the cause of 1/4 of the team to get dropped to regional during the senior season, the talk of changing to SY is encouraging to me so my 2012 trapped player (Oct 2012) doesn’t have to go through similar experiences. The discomfort of breaking up a team senior year and taking the spots of players who had been together for years is massive. My 2004 got a great scholarship at a d1 school. The problem is less about RAE and more about a systemic dysfunction for Q4 kids.

Now that the discussion to revert the BY age change has emerged and knowing that ECNL and US Club are considering to right the past wrongs, I really hope it happens since they’ve kicked the hornets nest.

This argument applies to switching or not. But there is no “systemic dysfunction” either way outside of the chaos 1-3 years after a switch is made.

No switch: Continuous disruption for 33% trapped players.

Switch: Short-term disruption, then long-term team stability and chemistry. Minimal trapped players (You can always play up if capable or play down to stay in your grade within the 8/1 to 7/31 cutoff, no redshirt)

Switch, but phase it in.

To say that a switch now is a short term disruption is forgetting that teams will be reconfigured only to benefit a relatively small number of players.

Pick an age group and switch from there on below. But it would be best to target phasing in age groups not currently in the recruitment process. and then those older age groups simple age out of the process on teams that they have been on already.

Hell no.

Rip the bandaid and end the BS- play up if you want /desire but don’t limit to u-littles.

Signed U-17 trapped player families

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Looking at the posts on College Soccer Truth it seems unlikely that there will be a move to school year.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at the posts on College Soccer Truth it seems unlikely that there will be a move to school year.

The post that started this entire thread?

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College Soccer Truth started this rumor in July. Then they say there’s not enough buy in a few days ago. Which one is it?

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Anonymous wrote:College Soccer Truth started this rumor in July. Then they say there’s not enough buy in a few days ago. Which one is it?

We will all find out soon enough.

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Anonymous wrote:College Soccer Truth started this rumor in July. Then they say there’s not enough buy in a few days ago. Which one is it?

We will all find out soon enough.

So how exactly does ECNL convince these other leagues to side by them..

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Anonymous wrote:College Soccer Truth started this rumor in July. Then they say there’s not enough buy in a few days ago. Which one is it?

We will all find out soon enough.

So how exactly does ECNL convince these other leagues to side by them..

I'd start by reminding USYS that they register 3 million kids per year, 99.9% of which have no aspirations to go pro or play internationally. Throw out that there could be a new competitor offering the exact same thing as them, but without trapped player problems, and a higher likelihood that kids could play with their friends, who would start with significant market share. Then I'd ask them how they project their enrollment numbers over the next decade to look if that's their primary differentiating feature.

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Anonymous wrote:Arguing the pros and cons of SY vs. BY is pointless. SY will bring more revenue to ECNL and better align with their business interests, so they will do it. They already hinted in the podcast that they can if they want to, but they want to play nice to give other leagues a chance to change together.

They want to play nice? lol if they go alone that will be the end

If they go it alone, ECNL will dilute its brand via RL and expansion. And when that happens more coaches will attend GA events. And when that happens, GA will gain share of ex placement. And when that happens talent, and clubs will begin to move. Either it opens the door for a new league, or GA reaps some benefits.

Regardless, ECNL cannot “technically” change it on their own. In the current structure it would have to be approved by Club, and it seems ECNL is confident club would let them.

ECNL showcase is exclusively ECNL only. RL has its own event on a different date.

ECNL will not dilute itself. Instead, it will have multiple leagues of tiers. Socal already has three tiers. ECNL only league will be tightly controlled to prevent any dilution.

Yes, I didn’t say RL would be at NL showcases or events. More players will create different demands. ECNL will absolutely sacrifice NL admission to expand on the platform level. They already have a history of that. That will dilute.

In the club level it will be awful as politics multiplies with more kids and teams. And that will dilute. These decisions won’t be “tightly controlled by ECNL”

If you expand the pond, you dilute the existing chemistry - this is not a terribly hard concept to get.

If I remember correctly, ECNL girls side took 3 top GA team and RL took 1 top GA team, so they know how to leverage their brand to make GA a 2nd league. No ECNL team switch to GA.

SDSC Surf is a GA team and their boy side is in ECNL, not MLS. I bet they are biding their time and waiting for their term to let their girl join RL (not even NL), and they will drop GA.

That would be dumb. RL gets so little college and coach exposure compared to the GA platform. ECNL is obviously the best option, but if you had to choose RL or GA….

Girls ECNL is their ultimate goal, so they can sacrifice short-term setbacks to join RL. Their boys program already suffered several years to stay put in boys ECNL, not MLS.

Why would they assume they’d keep the majority of their Freshman through Juniors for that “temporary sacrifice”?

The age mandate would already be a setback alone. Why would they also add in stooping down to ECRL?

Because they’re dumb? And like the dumb strategy of moving from GA to RL?

No they are smarter than you. Lonestar dropped GA and joined RL. https://www.soccerwire.com/news/lonestar-sc-teams-joining-ecnl-girls-regional-leagues-for-2024-25-season/

They dropped ga because they were losing all their kids to sting Austin. That club had no hope

They also were pulling an NVA maneuver -
They are the Valor to Classic Elite’s Loudon.

Monster had to move to ECNL in order to become a development program and expansion partner for Classic Elite.

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Anonymous wrote:Arguing the pros and cons of SY vs. BY is pointless. SY will bring more revenue to ECNL and better align with their business interests, so they will do it. They already hinted in the podcast that they can if they want to, but they want to play nice to give other leagues a chance to change together.

They want to play nice? lol if they go alone that will be the end

If they go it alone, ECNL will dilute its brand via RL and expansion. And when that happens more coaches will attend GA events. And when that happens, GA will gain share of ex placement. And when that happens talent, and clubs will begin to move. Either it opens the door for a new league, or GA reaps some benefits.

Regardless, ECNL cannot “technically” change it on their own. In the current structure it would have to be approved by Club, and it seems ECNL is confident club would let them.

ECNL showcase is exclusively ECNL only. RL has its own event on a different date.

ECNL will not dilute itself. Instead, it will have multiple leagues of tiers. Socal already has three tiers. ECNL only league will be tightly controlled to prevent any dilution.

Yes, I didn’t say RL would be at NL showcases or events. More players will create different demands. ECNL will absolutely sacrifice NL admission to expand on the platform level. They already have a history of that. That will dilute.

In the club level it will be awful as politics multiplies with more kids and teams. And that will dilute. These decisions won’t be “tightly controlled by ECNL”

If you expand the pond, you dilute the existing chemistry - this is not a terribly hard concept to get.

If I remember correctly, ECNL girls side took 3 top GA team and RL took 1 top GA team, so they know how to leverage their brand to make GA a 2nd league. No ECNL team switch to GA.

SDSC Surf is a GA team and their boy side is in ECNL, not MLS. I bet they are biding their time and waiting for their term to let their girl join RL (not even NL), and they will drop GA.

That would be dumb. RL gets so little college and coach exposure compared to the GA platform. ECNL is obviously the best option, but if you had to choose RL or GA….

Girls ECNL is their ultimate goal, so they can sacrifice short-term setbacks to join RL. Their boys program already suffered several years to stay put in boys ECNL, not MLS.

Why would they assume they’d keep the majority of their Freshman through Juniors for that “temporary sacrifice”?

The age mandate would already be a setback alone. Why would they also add in stooping down to ECRL?

Because they’re dumb? And like the dumb strategy of moving from GA to RL?

No they are smarter than you. Lonestar dropped GA and joined RL. https://www.soccerwire.com/news/lonestar-sc-teams-joining-ecnl-girls-regional-leagues-for-2024-25-season/

They dropped ga because they were losing all their kids to sting Austin. That club had no hope

They also were pulling an NVA maneuver -
They are the Valor to Classic Elite’s Loudon.

Monster had to move to ECNL in order to become a development program and expansion partner for Classic Elite.

Monster = Lonestar…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:College Soccer Truth started this rumor in July. Then they say there’s not enough buy in a few days ago. Which one is it?

We will all find out soon enough.

So how exactly does ECNL convince these other leagues to side by them..

I'd start by reminding USYS that they register 3 million kids per year, 99.9% of which have no aspirations to go pro or play internationally. Throw out that there could be a new competitor offering the exact same thing as them, but without trapped player problems, and a higher likelihood that kids could play with their friends, who would start with significant market share. Then I'd ask them how they project their enrollment numbers over the next decade to look if that's their primary differentiating feature.

Didn’t AYSO just recently move to BY a few years ago?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College Soccer Truth started this rumor in July. Then they say there’s not enough buy in a few days ago. Which one is it?

We will all find out soon enough.

So how exactly does ECNL convince these other leagues to side by them..

I'd start by reminding USYS that they register 3 million kids per year, 99.9% of which have no aspirations to go pro or play internationally. Throw out that there could be a new competitor offering the exact same thing as them, but without trapped player problems, and a higher likelihood that kids could play with their friends, who would start with significant market share. Then I'd ask them how they project their enrollment numbers over the next decade to look if that's their primary differentiating feature.

Soccer enrollment as a % of population was much lower when it was SY based more than a decade ago. How will you square that projection? This experiment has been run before.

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Anonymous wrote:College Soccer Truth started this rumor in July. Then they say there’s not enough buy in a few days ago. Which one is it?

We will all find out soon enough.

So how exactly does ECNL convince these other leagues to side by them..

Well Us Club sanctions ECNL they oversee many more clubs/leagues than just ECNL. The president of ECNL is also a member of the executive team at us club soccer. They are aligned on wanting to switch to school year.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College Soccer Truth started this rumor in July. Then they say there’s not enough buy in a few days ago. Which one is it?

We will all find out soon enough.

So how exactly does ECNL convince these other leagues to side by them..

I'd start by reminding USYS that they register 3 million kids per year, 99.9% of which have no aspirations to go pro or play internationally. Throw out that there could be a new competitor offering the exact same thing as them, but without trapped player problems, and a higher likelihood that kids could play with their friends, who would start with significant market share. Then I'd ask them how they project their enrollment numbers over the next decade to look if that's their primary differentiating feature.

Soccer enrollment as a % of population was much lower when it was SY based more than a decade ago. How will you square that projection? This experiment has been run before.

It was actually working really well at all levels. And the US was building and increasing enrollment year after year.

Also our U20 girls national teams weren't losing to North Korea when school year was in place.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College Soccer Truth started this rumor in July. Then they say there’s not enough buy in a few days ago. Which one is it?

We will all find out soon enough.

So how exactly does ECNL convince these other leagues to side by them..

Well Us Club sanctions ECNL they oversee many more clubs/leagues than just ECNL. The president of ECNL is also a member of the executive team at us club soccer. They are aligned on wanting to switch to school year.

How long did your nose grow when you wrote the last sentence?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College Soccer Truth started this rumor in July. Then they say there’s not enough buy in a few days ago. Which one is it?

We will all find out soon enough.

So how exactly does ECNL convince these other leagues to side by them..

Well Us Club sanctions ECNL they oversee many more clubs/leagues than just ECNL. The president of ECNL is also a member of the executive team at us club soccer. They are aligned on wanting to switch to school year.

How long did your nose grow when you wrote the last sentence?

I guess we will find out soon enough.